Cleaning rod recommendations?


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hometheaterman
January 7, 2010, 04:11 PM
So I need a new cleaning rod. I had a Deweys and I really wasn't impressed. A few weeks after I got it the metal tip thing broke off. I used it without it for a while. The nylon coating also wore off pretty quickly in a lot of spots. Then it bent. So overall I'm not impressed however, I'm also not sure if there is anything better out there or not. That's why I'm asking here. Is there anything better out there? I went by a gun shop today and all they had was a all steel one with no coating and a carbon fiber one. I want one that wont damage the crown or any other part of the barrel. That's my main concern is I do not want to damage the gun. Should I get the carbon fiber one? Or what kind should I get? I'm thinking about checking out Bass Pro and seeing what they have also.

BTW should I get one of those things that go in the muzzle end of the barrel that the cleaning rod goes through? Do they really help protect the muzzle? Any other things I should buy to help making cleaning the gun easier or to protect the gun more?

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lopezni
January 7, 2010, 04:29 PM
get a Tipton carbon fiber, ball bearing cleaning rod, the universal bore guide, and the Tipton jag and brush sets. You can't get a better cleaning kit.

dubbleA
January 7, 2010, 04:39 PM
It puzzles me on how you are using the cleaning rod and damaging it. Are you cleaning from the muzzle? It's possible that you may have to depending on the action type. ie a lever, pump or auto. If so I would still use something as a guide to protect the muzzle and crown. You still must use common sense and help with guiding and keeping the rod straight with the bore. The patch needs to fit snuggly but not overly tight as to require such a force that the rod is bending.

I've used Dewey's for a long long time. I use Lucas, Outers and Dewey bore guides that fit into the action/chamber and also use the appropiate size rod for the bore I am cleaning. I have 5 different coated rods and have never had a problem with any of them and highly reccomend them.

swiftak
January 7, 2010, 04:40 PM
Boresnake

chevyforlife21
January 7, 2010, 04:50 PM
what kinds of guns you cleaning? boresnakes are good cuse they dont hurt the riffling i also use cheap rods but wipe them down after every pass

TonyDedo
January 7, 2010, 04:52 PM
I switched over to boresnakes and never looked back. So much easier to use, transport, store, more durable, and better for the rifle.

TexasRifleman
January 7, 2010, 04:59 PM
I too am interested in what you're doing with a cleaning rod to bend it.

I've got a couple of Dewey's that have held up for many years.

Get the right diameter rod for the bore size. Sounds like you might be using a rimfire sized rod to clean a .30 cal or something.

Rem700SD
January 7, 2010, 05:04 PM
deweys are decent rods, and shouldn't be showing that kind of damage.

These guys carry top quality products.
http://www.sinclairintl.com/prod_detail_list/Cleaning-Rods-Accessories

Make sure that you are using the right bore guides, and the right patch sizes. My impression is that you are straining too much in cleaning your guns to put that kind of wear on your rods.

jimmy0622
January 7, 2010, 05:06 PM
Boresnake
Agreed

memphisjim
January 7, 2010, 05:09 PM
+1 on bore snake
still need a good rod for some applications
i.e. gas system on a garand

CoRoMo
January 7, 2010, 05:26 PM
What's always confounded me, is the notion that the steel, that makes up a barrel, is so delicate that it will be damaged or destroyed when you misuse a tool that is made of softer material. While I've never seen such damage, boy is it such a commonly accepted credo that the mere thought of running anything but a boresnake through my guns just terrifies the living poop out of me!:what:

Hatterasguy
January 7, 2010, 05:31 PM
My Dewey's rods have held up pretty good. Maybe you got the wrong one for your application?

redneck2
January 7, 2010, 05:48 PM
[QUOTE]What's always confounded me, is the notion that the steel, that makes up a barrel, is so delicate that it will be damaged or destroyed when you misuse a tool that is made of softer material/QUOTE]lIt's pretty easy to damage a crown with an aluminum rod. The rod gets coated with grit and acts like an abrasive. You should never clean from the muzzle if it's possible to clean from the breech.

Even from the receiver, I still use a bore guide to prevent the rod from rubbing in the throat area.

If you're breaking Dewey rods, you're doing something wrong.

I have a couple of Dewey's. Rod should be long enough to push out the muzzle from the receiver end. I never pull a patch back through. It wears the crown.

hometheaterman
January 7, 2010, 06:23 PM
I am cleaning from the muzzle as I can't clean from the other end as it's a semi auto. I'm using a 17 caliber cleaning rod on my .22 and 30-06 both semi autos. The gun shop recommended the .17 caliber one for both guns. I bet it when using it on a shotgun I think was what it was. Not bent much but a little. I think I need muzzle guides. Anyone know if Bass Pro sells those?

dubbleA
January 7, 2010, 06:30 PM
There in lies the problem, a 17 cal rod is way to small and fragile for a 30 cal bore. Get a 22 cal rod for the .22 and a .27 cal rod for the .30. Doing that will ensure that the correct size brush or jag will fit the rod and the will have different size threads.

CoRoMo
January 7, 2010, 06:32 PM
Bass Pro sells those?

I certainly don't find a one on their website. That's odd, everyone should carry these. I know Cabela's, Midway, Brownell's, etc. all do.

hometheaterman
January 7, 2010, 07:00 PM
Yeah I just looked on their site also and didn't see them. Are they actually called muzzle guides? Or are they called something different?

257WM_CDL-SF
January 7, 2010, 07:27 PM
2 best investments I have made Is a Tipton 44 inch carbon fiber and and a Mike Lucas bore guide

Uncle Mike
January 7, 2010, 08:10 PM
I'm using a 17 caliber cleaning rod on my .22 and 30-06 both semi autos. The gun shop recommended the .17 caliber one for both guns. I bet it when using it on a shotgun I think was what it was. Not bent much but a little. I think I need muzzle guides. Anyone know if Bass Pro sells those?

eh...your....hmmm, how do I say this....eh, your rod is too small! There, I said it!

A 17 caliber rod is for a 17 caliber bore...nothing else!

Browse here.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=4/Products/Gun_Cleaning_-_Chemicals

oh, and...find another gun shop...that one has some problems!

Blondie
January 7, 2010, 09:15 PM
I use Hoppe's Elite rods. They have a soft coating on them so as to not screw up the crown on barrells. I have one for .22s and one for .270 on up.

http://www.hoppes.com/products/elite_cleaning_rod_system.html

Blonde

bpl
January 7, 2010, 11:21 PM
The Tipton Carbon Fiber rods are excellent! Highly recommended! As noted above, be sure to use the correct size rod for your bore.

Avenger29
January 7, 2010, 11:27 PM
One thing that may help you in the future is using a bore or muzzle guide and pulling the cleaning implements and patches through rather than pushing them if possible. Attach the brush or insert the patch into the loop once the end of the rod is out the other end and pull it through. Also, don't try to reverse the brush or patch in the bore and make sure you cut your patches to the correct size (prepackeged patches sized for .22 are usually still too big).

Also, I find that many of the big box stores never bother with carrying bore and muzzle guides for some reason. In fact, I've never found a decent selection of cleaning equipment in any store and always have had to mail order the proper tools...

chevyforlife21
January 7, 2010, 11:36 PM
yea you cant be useing a 17 caliber rod trying to push a 12 ga brush through the bore thats not gonna be good. its fine for the .22 but you really need to have three different rods.

Doug b
January 7, 2010, 11:42 PM
"A few weeks after I got it the metal tip thing broke off."
If you are using a metal fouling solvent in your bore this will also work on that brass tip and your brushes wash them off with soap and water when your done.

hometheaterman
January 8, 2010, 12:55 AM
So I bought two Tipton cleaning rods tonight however, I'm really doubting my decision. $70 is just a lot for cleaning rods. I guess I'm not seeing the benefit of using a bigger one for the 30-06. Why wont the 22 one work? I didn't even buy the brushes and stuff for it. That kit is another $20. Will the brushes from the kits with aluminum rods work? I have quite a few of those brushes.

Avenger29
January 8, 2010, 12:59 AM
I didn't even buy the brushes and stuff for it. That kit is another $20. Will the brushes from the kits with aluminum rods work? I have quite a few of those brushes.

Yeah, the brushes and patch holders should work just fine, so long as the Tipton threads are the standard 8-32 threads that your implements most likely use.

hometheaterman
January 8, 2010, 01:06 AM
Is there anywhere to get muzzle guides? I'm not having luck finding them. Natchezss has them but they want $12 shipping for $5 worth of muzzle guides.

hometheaterman
January 8, 2010, 01:32 AM
BTW reason I didn't buy brushes is I mostly just use the brushless bore cleaner. Seems to really work well.

dmazur
January 8, 2010, 04:42 AM
Midway also carries them -

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=965198

I believe they offer a USPS shipping option, which makes sense for little parts like this.

I have one of these for .30 caliber and another for .44 caliber. The O-ring protects the muzzle (although the brass is soft to begin with). For calibers where the jag is larger than the cleaning rod diameter, you slide the muzzle guide on first, then attach the jag...

(Yes, I did actually try it in the reverse order.)

hometheaterman
January 8, 2010, 12:07 PM
since I'm not using a Dewey rod will that one work? I'm also just wondering what is going to be the dissadvantage if I take the 27-45 caliber rod back and just use the 22 caliber one on the 30-06? Seems strong enough it's not going to bend. It's smaller than the bore so it shouldn't rub it. Or do I want it to rub the bore? I'm just wondering what the actual negatives of just using the 22-26 caliber rod on the 30-06.

Fumbler
January 8, 2010, 12:35 PM
The 22 rod should be fine for the 30-06.

A 17 rod definitely is too small. I don't own a 17 but if I did I'd use an Otis or similar pull through system.

Actually, you might want to get a 27-30 rod and just use an otis for the 17 and 22. That way the 27-30 should be strong enough for your shotgun. Just a thought...

Offfhand
January 8, 2010, 12:38 PM
The most particular riflemen on the planet are benchrest shooters, especially about how they clean their barrels. Which is usually after 20 shots or less. Go to a benchrest match and watch how they clean their bores, it's a worthwhile education. You'll see quite a few Dewey rods in use, but mostly uncoated stainless steel rods by speciality makers that you'll never see for sale at a gun shop. A few bench shooters I've talked to said they tried carbon fiber (from Midway?) rods but gave them up. One reason being because of tip coming unglued. I've never seen any of these experts using a Boresnake and don't think I ever will.

hometheaterman
January 8, 2010, 12:41 PM
Well, I bought a 22-26 caliber carbon fiber rod and a 27-45 caliber one. However, I'm strongly considering taking the one for the 27-45 caliber one back and just sticking with the smaller one. I have an aluminum 3 piece rod I can use for the shotgun so that's not a huge concern.

ochadd
January 8, 2010, 12:42 PM
+1 Tipton carbon fiber one piece rod.

Haven't used a Dewey before but the Tipton works perfectly and still looks brand new.

Shadow Man
January 8, 2010, 01:43 PM
I've never seen any of these experts using a Boresnake and don't think I ever will.

Of course not; a Boresnake is impractical for a bench shooter. They get the level of clean they need with a rod and a certain regimen...whearas my hard duty rifles all get a good snaking about once a month. (far more often if I'm down range) Yeah, I still keep a rod handy, but the snake works for me. Just because a bench shooter uses something doesn't mean we all should use it...you wouldn't find me in one of those tight shooting jackets ever...not ever.

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