Which .17 HMR?


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Angleiron
January 7, 2010, 07:27 PM
From what I have been reading, this is a pretty cool little caliber rifle to have for varmint and fun shooting. The 2 rifles that I am looking at are the CZ 453 Varmint, and the Weatherby Mark XXLL. The Weatherby is about $200+ more than the CZ, but from what I can see it has much nicer wood and has the Anshutz factor.

Anyone have either of these rifles? Any feedback in general?

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sprocket3
January 7, 2010, 07:35 PM
If that CZ comes with the Set Trigger like the 527 I don't think you can go wrong. You can't get a better gun for the money. I think they have stock options in most model if you want something a little fancy.

DMZ
January 7, 2010, 07:47 PM
I have the CZ 452 in .17HMR. The Varmint model, is a heavy barreled American and has an adjustable trigger, but comes without the iron sights, which are some of the best to ever adorn a rimfire rifle.

hub
January 7, 2010, 08:02 PM
I don't think you would be disappointed with the CZ if you wanted to save a few bucks. The 453 is a awesome rifle and the wood is nice, maybe not as nice as the Weatherby but it is nice.

If that CZ comes with the Set Trigger like the 527 I don't think you can go wrong.
Yes the 453 varmint does come with a single stage set trigger.

The Weatherby is about $200+ more than the CZ, but from what I can see it has much nicer wood and has the Anshutz factor.
Yes the Weatherby does have awesome looking wood and the Anschutz 64 action but for that price you could buy a Anschutz.

Since you listed the CZ varmint I'm assuming your looking for a heavy barreled rifle right? Have you looked into any Anschutz rifles in .17hmr? I really wanted a MPR in .17hmr but ended up going with a Savage BTVS only because of my budget. I do love the Savage and it shoots like a laser in .17hmr but I still want a MPR so I may have to get one in .22lr someday. The price has seemed to have went up on them though, when I was looking to buy Bud's had them for around $700 or a little less in .17hmr if I remember right. Any way just some suggestions I think they are all are fine rifles you would be happy with any of them.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_751/products_id/54904

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_751/products_id/40114

sumpnz
January 7, 2010, 08:04 PM
The CZ 453 is the version with the single set trigger, just like the 527 and 550 series rifles.

I have my heart set on a 453 Varmint in .22lr. I really like the idea of the .17hmr, but I like the cheapness of .22lr ammo even more. I want something as close to my 550 hunting rifles as possible that I can practice with A LOT without beating up my shoulder or spending a fortune on ammo. Plus the .22lr won't heat up the barrel as much as any centerfire so I'll be able to shoot a lot of rounds before having to let it cool.

GunsAmerica Fan
January 7, 2010, 08:07 PM
I would buy the CZ. But before you buy, check out the Mini Sharps from Chiappa. I shot one at end of the trail and it's really cool.
Here is a totally unrehearsed GunsAmerica TV video that we made on the rifle.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/video/player.aspx?Channel=15&vid=114

I would so buy one of these before a run of the mill rifle.

rangerruck
January 7, 2010, 09:46 PM
the cz is awesome, and the single set trigger is amazing. That being said, if you have never shot an Annie, and that Weatherby is deff an annie 64, and you have never felt the trigger of a factory annie; there just is nothing like it, and this from a dude who loves cz's, and have a bunch. If you have the money, get the Weatherby, and you will understand why people who shoot annies, say there is no trigger like them in the world. If you don't wanna spend that money, get the CZ, and you will not be disappointed with it's trigger , or it's accuracy.

TomADC
January 7, 2010, 11:51 PM
Before you buy either take a look at the Savage 93R17 I have a FV and its a tack driver.
25 rounds at 100 yds.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL174/1021972/1908390/357570616.jpg

Rob96
January 8, 2010, 04:29 AM
Before you buy either take a look at the Savage 93R17 I have a FV and its a tack driver.
25 rounds at 100 yds.


+1
I have the BV model.

REAPER4206969
January 8, 2010, 05:06 AM
Marlin 917VT
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/images/zoom_917VT.jpg

Dookie
January 8, 2010, 07:07 AM
Anschutz or anything else. Nope, go with the weatherby, or as mentioned, get an anschutz for cheaper. It will not have the nice wood but it will have the trigger. Not positive but I think the XXII does not have the nice Annie trigger.

Try Champion shooters, they usually have the best prices. Gunbroker is also another option.

If you can afford it always buy the best you can. CZ is nice but nowhere near the Anschutz. Savage is more comparable to CZ without the refinement and Savage has a better trigger, much better. Marlins shoot nice, so they have a good barrel and that is about it.

Angleiron
January 8, 2010, 07:53 AM
The annie 64 seems to be about $200+ more than the weatherby from the prices that I have looked up. My first thoughts were to go with the .22, but I am liking the accuracy of the .17 HMR...and though the ammo is a bit more...not so much that it is a problem.

Since this is going to be a fun rifle for the most part, spending almost $1K for such a rifle does not seem to make much sense. Seems to be a coin flip between the CZ, and the Weatherby.

HunterBear71
January 8, 2010, 08:19 AM
Savage 93

rangerruck
January 8, 2010, 09:59 AM
... and as an aside which I allways mention; you could get a mach2 rifle. You loose about 50 yds of trajectory to the hmr, but it is still a laser shot out to 150, with a 100 yd zero, and ammo is 1/3 the cost. Plus a mach 2 rifle will shoot 17 aguila rounds, which aren't as destructive as normal 17 cal rounds.
So that way, if you like to keep skins, or not destroy meat, the 17 aggie round is a pretty nice alternative.

Coyote3855
January 8, 2010, 10:16 AM
My wife has a CZ 452 American in .17 HMR with a Leupold 3x9. Deadly on ground squirrels and an excellent rifle. My .17 HMR is a NEF single shot with a 3.5x10 Leupold. Also a good rifle, but the trigger is not as good as the CZ. Used, it cost me about 1/3 of what I paid for the scope. Which every rifle you choose, you should put very good optics on it to get full benefit of the potential of the caliber. I have no personal experience with the Ruger in .17, but have heard negative things.

Offfhand
January 8, 2010, 10:58 AM
I've owned a variety of rifles in .17HMR but only kept two; An Anschutz M-1717, and Weatherby/Anschutz. I kept the Weatherby because it is so pretty and also nicely accurate and fun to shoot. For accuracy the M-1717 is tops because of super accurate, meadium heavy barrel, and it's built on Anschutz's top action. And the M-1717 also came with a nice looking, well figured wood stock with cut checkering. (see photos) The Savage was fairly accurate and worked well and I gave it to shooting pal who has done some good shooting with it. After shooting my CZ a few times I was happy to trade it for something else. As wisely noted by Coyote, a key to good accuracy performance is good optics.

dubbleA
January 8, 2010, 11:01 AM
Nope, go with the weatherby, or as mentioned, get an anschutz for cheaper. It will not have the nice wood but it will have the trigger.


If you are wanting the best and dont mind paying for it, take a look at the Anschutz or Cooper line of 17 HMR's.

Here's my wife's Annie and I think it's almost as beautiful as she is.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/dubbleA/17AS-1.jpg

mshootnit
January 8, 2010, 11:06 AM
I bought a slightly used 17hmr Savage 93R17 with black laminate stock. Sporter barrel. I cleaned the barrel, glass bedded the rifle and now it will shoot a ragged hole at 50 yds. Probably around an inch at 100 yds. Its the best rimfire I have ever owned. Oh, BTW you have to switch out the gawdawfull factory trigger though. I certainly don't think you have to blow Anschutz kind of money to go sub-moa with a nice 17HMR. I looked at the CZ but it was also needing some work (barrel floating for example) and when I saw that nice laminate CHECKERED stock on the Savage a very primal urge took over.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 8, 2010, 11:59 AM
I'd agree with dubbleA - I'd get the real Anschutz or the Cooper with a high budget.

But with a lower budget, I have the CZ 453 Varmint and am very very pleased with it. Accurate, and balances well. Of course, great (set) trigger, and very good (non-set) trigger.

hub
January 8, 2010, 12:26 PM
My first thoughts were to go with the .22, but I am liking the accuracy of the .17 HMR...and though the ammo is a bit more...not so much that it is a problem.

While the .17HMR is an accurate round you are aware that no one makes any match grade .17hmr ammunition right? This might not be that big of a deal for you but if your after constant tiny little groups you may be disappointed because of the consistency of .17HMR compared to the widely available .22lr match ammo made by several different companies.

hub
January 8, 2010, 01:07 PM
Since this is going to be a fun rifle for the most part, spending almost $1K for such a rifle does not seem to make much sense.

How cheap can you get the Weatherby, from what I have seen they look like $800+. How much will you be spending on a scope, rings, and base.

Like I said before I was set on a Annie MPR but after thinking about the .17hmr is a niche rifle IMO. Yes they are nice but to me they are a little too much for small game like squirrels and not quite big enough for varmints and predators. Also like I stated before, is the ammo. I couldn't see paying that much for a rifle and scope in .17hmr (with my personal budget) at the time so I went with the Savage 93r17 BTVS model and I can't say I'm sorry I did, It looks pretty good and is amazingly accurate for what I paid. I bought mine from Dick's on a special, it was a combo with a cheap Simmons 8 point scope on top for $400. I took the Simmons off and put a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40 on top and put the Simmons back on my back up slug gun. While neither the Savage or the Nikon is top of the line I think it will shoot with the best of them for a fraction of as much money.

Dookie
January 8, 2010, 04:21 PM
The annie 64 seems to be about $200+ more than the weatherby from the prices that I have looked up. My first thoughts were to go with the .22, but I am liking the accuracy of the .17 HMR...and though the ammo is a bit more...not so much that it is a problem.

$895 for the Anschutz 64 MPR
$930 for the Weatherby XXII.
At least locally.

They also have the HM2 sporter for $750.00. A great in between the 22lr and the HMR.

TomADC
January 8, 2010, 04:38 PM
SAV 93R17-BV 17HMR BLT BL/LAM HB AT
$373.41 locally.

Rob96
January 8, 2010, 05:11 PM
SAV 93R17-BV 17HMR BLT BL/LAM HB AT
$373.41 locally.


I picked mine up at Cabelas with Cabela's 17hmr scope for $329.

OpelBlitz
January 8, 2010, 06:43 PM
http://www.savagearms.com/images/firearms/finder/medium/93r17trr.png

Savage 93R17TRR - Incredible rifle, though expensive!

dubbleA
January 8, 2010, 06:55 PM
Beauty and the beast all in one.....;)

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/dubbleA/Rifles%201/Cooper57MTHRTarget.jpg

Angleiron
January 8, 2010, 07:16 PM
I can get the Weatherby for $700.00 new, the CZ 453 Varmint new for $540.00. So I guess the $64K question is the Weatherby worth the extra $160? Though I could pop for a high end annie, my goal is to get a .17 rifle and a scope and keep things as close to $1K (+/- $100) since Christmas was not too long ago.

TexasPatriot.308
January 8, 2010, 08:29 PM
if you got the money the CZ and Weatherby are great, if you want to save money and have quality optics on it Savage is the one. I got a 93 and I kill big boar hogs with it regularly ( I got several pastures that landowners ask me to thin out hogs and the .17 is cheap to shoot). experts will tell you not to hunt pigs with a .17 but I prove those "experts" wrong on a regular basis.

Dookie
January 8, 2010, 11:12 PM
I can get the Weatherby for $700.00 new, the CZ 453 Varmint new for $540.00. So I guess the $64K question is the Weatherby worth the extra $160? Though I could pop for a high end annie, my goal is to get a .17 rifle and a scope and keep things as close to $1K (+/- $100) since Christmas was not too long ago.It depends on what you want. The XXII will be a nicer rifle in every aspect, the stock quality, the metal finish, the machining, even the trigger.
However, if the $160 is a big enough problem the CZ will be fine for everything, just not nearly as nice a rifle. The biggest difference for me is the trigger. The Anschutz trigger, and this is the basic trigger, is far better than any of the aftermarkets available, Rifle Basix, Timney, none of these compare in quality to the FACTORY trigger on the Annie. To me, that in itself is worth the money. However, add in the much higher quality stock and fit and finish, that $160 is easily absorbed into the quality.

However, if you are willing to spend that much give the Ruger 77/17 a look. Very solid and the 17's that Ruger builds shoot very straight, maybe not as good as the Annie, but dang nice.

benzy2
January 9, 2010, 01:06 AM
From what I have seen with base model 64 triggers I think they are fairly comparable to the 453 triggers. The 452 triggers not so much, unless really worked with, but the 453 is its own beast. The better Annie triggers are on their own but the base model isn't off from the CZ 453 trigger. Accuracy on the 64 line seems to be a little better than the CZ line, though not always and not always by much. Some of the wood CZ puts out is great and other times even their higher cost "fancy grade" stocks are fairly plain. I'm sure the fit and finish on the Weatherby will be better. If money is no issue I would go with the Weatherby of the two. That said I think the better option long term would be to spend $460 on a scope rather than $300, but that is up to you.

winknplink
January 9, 2010, 09:32 AM
Another vote for the Savage 93R17. You'd better shoot one first before you throw away good money for the same performance. I mean, if you like your money.

Besides, it's a .17hmr, not a life-dependent rifle. I have issues with a $1000 rimfire unless I'm getting paid to hit x-rings.

hub
January 9, 2010, 12:23 PM
You'd better shoot one first before you throw away good money for the same performance.

Well if you have the money to spend, I think almost all suggested are in the same ball park accuracy, and trigger wise so that pretty much just leaves the overall looks to consider. Honestly for $160 difference I would go for the Weatherby just because you KNOW it's going to look really good. Like Benzy2 stated sometimes even the fancy grade CZ stocks still looks kind of plain, and also something no one mentioned is the trigger guard. It's not necessarily bad looking but it is just a stamped piece that I believe comes in a matte finish. Replacing the CZ trigger guard is one of the most performed mods that I see in the cz board at Rimfire Central. Not much just something else to consider.

As for a scope at that price range I don't think $160 will make a huge difference. I mean we are talking a sub 200 yard rifle so top end quality is not really a must and $460 is not going to get you into a Zeiss, Leica, or Swarovski anyway but for a little over $300 you could still get a good quality scope like a Leupold vxII, or Nikon Monarch, etc if you search around a little.

hub
January 9, 2010, 12:28 PM
Beauty and the beast all in one.....
Come on dubble A your really starting to make me jealous with all those nice rifles that I can't afford lol. Seriously though they are very nice rifles and those pictures look great.

wishin
January 9, 2010, 12:28 PM
I really like my Savage 93. Very accurate.

Dookie
January 9, 2010, 09:09 PM
From what I have seen with base model 64 triggers I think they are fairly comparable to the 453 triggers. The 452 triggers not so much, unless really worked with, but the 453 is its own beast. The better Annie triggers are on their own but the base model isn't off from the CZ 453 trigger. Accuracy on the 64 line seems to be a little better than the CZ line, though not always and not always by much.Not even close, but they are not they same trigger style anyway. The 64 is a 3 way adjustable single stage and the 453 is a single set trigger, and is nice. If you prefer the set trigger then the 64 will not be good enough to change your mind, same with the other way around. But if you are on the fence and don't care, I don't think the incredible accuracy adjustments and perfect crispness of the 64 can be beat.

CZ is really funny on their wood. I think they have this huge pile of blanks and whatever gets put on gets put on.

noob_shooter
January 10, 2010, 01:17 AM
i have the savage 93R17 in regular barrel and the BTVS

http://www.galleryofguns.com/prod_images/93r17btvs.jpg

great looking gun and it's very accurate. Love the accu-trigger

Angleiron
January 10, 2010, 09:54 AM
I looked at the Savage Classic...nice rifle...and it was full size (as compared to other rifles). Is the CZ and the Weatherby full size as well? Is there any advantage to going with the thumb hole...is it kinda universal so that it would work for just about anyone?

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