9mm 1911 Questions


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iblong
January 8, 2010, 08:32 AM
Hi guys,
Would like some input on 9mm 1911's,I have 2 full size and an officers model in 45 cal.I have a buyer for my M&P 9 and one of my J frames and am thinking about buying a 1911 9mm.It would be used in Idpa and mabe carry once in a while.Thinking about a camander size.Any recomendations for or against?
I liked my M&P but love the 1911 platform.
Thanks,Bob

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Loyalist Dave
January 8, 2010, 10:04 AM
OK some additional questions. First, is power-factor a consideration as you mentioned IDPA? I ask as some of the hotter combinations needed for 9mm bullets in IDPA competition have (in some 1911A1 configurations) really put lots of wear and tear on the handgun. Commander size tends to need the loads a bit hotter than a government sized barrel, and the Government size sometimes get away with adding a longer barrel as well. I'm not sure how much you could fudge that with a Commander, OR if you would want to do that in the first place. You can make up for lots of initial problems, with buffers, and heavier springs, and custom loads. Folks may ask you why a single stacked 9mm platform when there are so many double columned magazine guns out there, but you already said you really like the 1911A1. There are those who would say if you are going that big on a platform, then why not .40 s&w or .45 ACP, and I like the Browning Hi-Power if I was going to go to vintage 9mm designs..., but I am not you, and it's your money, right :D

On the plus side, (iirc) with the exception of the mags, extractor, barrel and bushing, the platform is the same as any Commander, so no worries on parts or after-market upgrades. If you are OK with the older design, you like it and how well you shoot it..., why not?

LD

earlthegoat2
January 8, 2010, 10:05 AM
I like the Colt Commander 1911s the best for 9mm. Springfield has current offerings that you may be able to get your hands on quickly. I dont know about a Commander size though. You might just have to go Kimber on that one or pay the big bucks.

Dan Wesson Pointman 9 is a sold choice I am sure but once again, not commander.

iblong
January 8, 2010, 11:14 AM
The camander size was just a thought a standard would be just fine too.

Jim Watson
January 8, 2010, 11:44 AM
I ask as some of the hotter combinations needed for 9mm bullets in IDPA competition have (in some 1911A1 configurations) really put lots of wear and tear on the handgun.

What ARE you talking about, Dave?
Every standard pressure standard velocity 9mm econo-ball I have shot and nearly all the handbook reloads have had ample power factor for IDPA ESP. Not much risk of beating up a big heavy 1911 with that. A Commander delivers higher velocity and power factor with my reloads than my Sig-Sauer P226. I had to step up my load for SSP for that reason.

jmorris
January 8, 2010, 12:21 PM
The 9mm 1911 is a good choice for IDPA ESP. I'm with Jim I have never seen any factory ammo that doesn't make PF. I shoot mostly the double stack 1911 style pistols now adays but I do go back and forth from a standard and commander length.

Another note if you do go with a commander length your ammunition does not have to make PF in your pistol it just has to out of a gun with the maximum barrel length for the division (p.28 of the IDPA rule book).

doc540
January 8, 2010, 01:20 PM
I'm on my second 9mm Combat Commander, so stay tuned.:)

BullfrogKen
January 8, 2010, 01:30 PM
9mm 1911's aren't nearly as plentiful as ones in 38 Super.


You can always get a 38 Super and fit a 9mm barrel. The mags will work. The extractor might need slight tuning, but mine doesn't require any when I switch between 38 Super and 9mm. You would likely need another recoil spring, though.


Colt's still making an XSE Lightweight Commander in 38 Super.

http://www.coltsmfg.com/products-c5-q7-COLT_PISTOLS.aspx

It'll make an excellent carry pistol just the way it is, and you'll have a good option for IDPA matches with the less expensive 9mm rounds.

SalchaketJoe
January 8, 2010, 01:50 PM
How hard are 1911 mags not in .45 to come by? What do they run? I have been looking at getting a 1911 in .40 or 9mm mainly because ammo is considerably cheaper, for me a major consideration.

surjimmy
January 8, 2010, 02:45 PM
There is a custom commander size 38 super 1911 for about $1000 at randgfirearms.com great guy to deal with.

BullfrogKen
January 8, 2010, 05:57 PM
How hard are 1911 mags not in .45 to come by? What do they run? I have been looking at getting a 1911 in .40 or 9mm mainly because ammo is considerably cheaper, for me a major consideration.

Easy to come by. You won't likely find them in Gander Mountain, but both Midway and Brownell's certainly carry them.

Chip McKormick, Wilson, Metalform . . . lots of compaines make government model magazines for the 10mm/.40 S&W and 9x23/38 Super/9mm 1911's.

rellascout
January 8, 2010, 06:12 PM
I like wilsons and they can be found everywhere.

doc540
January 8, 2010, 06:16 PM
Virgil Tripp mag's.

Full Metal Jacket
January 8, 2010, 06:24 PM
springfield's loaded 9mm 1911 is a great one. only problem is finding one :uhoh:

doc540
January 8, 2010, 06:29 PM
If you shop dilgently you can find original Colt Commanders in 9mm between $700 and $1200.

I bought this one from an online auction for less than $800:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/Combat%20Commander%209mm/DSCN0670-2.jpg

They're out there.

DRYHUMOR
January 8, 2010, 06:32 PM
This will be out in a couple of months, so there's still time to save and cash that refund check.

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-guardian/

Quack
January 8, 2010, 06:33 PM
There's quite a few companies with single stack 9mm 1911's

Springfield
STI
Dan Wesson
Kimber
Wilson Combat
Nighthawk
Fusion
Les Baer
Colt
Smith & Wesson
Para

here's my Springfield.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_0664.jpg

rellascout
January 8, 2010, 06:37 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/IMG_0086.jpg

Full Metal Jacket
January 8, 2010, 06:48 PM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_0664.jpg

you just fit that straight trigger to all your 1911's, didn't you quack lol.

looks great. never fired one with a straight trigger, how does it feel compared to the standard curved one?

Quack
January 8, 2010, 06:52 PM
Thanks!

well i started out with one of my 1911's to see if i would like it. after i gave it some time, i found that i liked it, so i switched them all over to a straight trigger a few months back. i only have 1 more to do an that's my STI Edge.

here's another one of my 9mm 1911's...yep it has a stright trigger :lol:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_0456.jpg

Walkalong
January 8, 2010, 06:55 PM
Yer killin' me rellascout. :D

Congrats again.

Quack
January 8, 2010, 06:58 PM
springfield's loaded 9mm 1911 is a great one. only problem is finding one

stopped by one of the shops today and they had a pair of 9mm Loaded's, Dan Wesson PM-9 and a S&W 9mm Pro Series.

rellascout
January 8, 2010, 06:59 PM
Walkalong

Sorry man.....

rellascout
January 8, 2010, 07:00 PM
What where they priced at.

The PM7 and Pro?

Full Metal Jacket
January 8, 2010, 07:01 PM
stopped by one of the shops today and they had a pair of 9mm Loaded's, Dan Wesson PM-9 and a S&W 9mm Pro Series.

someone spotted the mythical loaded 9mm? :what:

:D


wow, i've never seen that many rare 1911's in one place. cleveland must truly be a magical place, my friend. :eek: :)

DRYHUMOR
January 8, 2010, 07:04 PM
I like this one :cool:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=112713&d=1262991804

Quack
January 8, 2010, 07:06 PM
this shop is on the expensive side.
the Pro was, i think, $1149
the PM-9 was $1249 (but another shop has/had it for ~$1000)
the 9mm Loaded was $949

DRYHUMOR
January 8, 2010, 07:08 PM
The PM-9 will be discontinued for 2010, they are prob trying to squeeze a bit of profit out of it.

Quack
January 8, 2010, 07:10 PM
nah, that PM-9 has been in the case for at least 3-4 months along with the Marksman and the 10mm. i also think that 9mm Loaded has been there for just as long.

DRYHUMOR
January 9, 2010, 05:56 AM
I guess that shop is on the expensive side then.

I've seen a few Springer Loaded's on GB for 700.00 to 750.00 used over the past 6 months or so, very nearly bought one. Once and awhile I'd see a new one at about 800.00 - 850.00

The PM-9, for the money, is the way to go. If I didn't intend to buy DW GBOB this year, I'd buy another PM-9.

Quack
January 9, 2010, 10:37 AM
bought my 9mm Loaded for $749 NIB about a year ago.

rellascout
January 9, 2010, 11:59 AM
I won't say what I paid for my Pro. I would just make Walkalong cry again. ;)

Quack
January 9, 2010, 12:05 PM
:evil:

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