Turkish Sarsilmaz Hancer 2000


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giblet1979
January 9, 2010, 04:28 PM
Well, I bought one of these compact 9mm at Academy here for 278.00. All I know is it was $ well spent. I have put a flawless 200rds through it. I did stop and clean it thouroghly after 100 rounds of cheap dirty Monarch ammo. The first 50 or so were a little erratic at 25 ft. After that either I learned the gun or it began to break in a little and I can say that a paper plate is very dead at 50 ft. It shoots as well as I do, so it was a bargain. The weight is nice for recoil, but not to heavy for carry (all forged). Really I like the way it shoots very much for a compact. I tend to like barretta 92, ruger p95, and 1911 style guns more than glocks or most compacts. As for mechanics, no FTF's or any defects. I am wondering if anyone else has one with more range time that can speak to long term durability???...

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giblet1979
January 9, 2010, 04:31 PM
BTW, Armalite 24 will be the US version of this gun going forward, I think that is why Academy is dumping them for so cheap. I believe Armalite gets exclusive rights for the US ,market.

BossHogg
January 9, 2010, 09:45 PM
Wecome to THR. I also love the way this gun shoots, if I can get to smooth out it just might make my carry rotation.

I had to take the display gun and had a problem with it returning to full battery a few times. I took it home cleaned and oiled it down,but haven't got back out to the range yet.

This gun is just a natural shooter,it fits my hand perfect. I thought it would just be a range gun because of the weight, but could see as CCW. Keep us posted on yours.

Volfy
January 10, 2010, 04:28 AM
I had similar problem too when I took it to the range to shoot straight out of the box. Brought it home and did a thorough cleaning and oiling, including taking apart the firing pin assembly. Took it back to the range a couple of days later and shot 50+rds with no problem.

Will clean every new gun thouroughly before firing from now on. BTW, I think the cheapo - and yes dirty - Monarch brass case ammo probably contributed to the problem. But at $7.99 per box of 50, I still think it's a great deal for range practice. If for nothing else, it conditions the shooter to react quickly to problems like FTF. With the Sarsilmaz, all I did was pull the trigger again and it always did fire the second time in DA mode.

giblet1979
January 10, 2010, 07:28 PM
look at the armalite AR-24c13 for $500+ and compare...it's the same thing. I saw it advertized today. I will say, I put another 100 through it today and it keeps getting better. I shot federal fmj from wal-mart for $9 a box and was very pleased. At 30 feet grouped 3-5". BTW it was about 35 degrees outside, could explain the 3-5" drop in trajectory.

Volfy
January 11, 2010, 12:26 PM
The AR-24C-13 does appear to be the same basic pistol, though others have posted some internal differences. I'm sure Sarsilmaz OEMs these pistols to the customers' specs, so I don't doubt the Armalite may be different - and maybe even a better pistol. Still, even at Armalite's current promo price, it is still about twice as expensive as the Academy-imported version. Now I don't see how the Armalite is twice as better.

By the way, now that some of the Academy stores here have sold out of the Sarsilmaz, they are starting to stock the CZ Compact again. Saw one last week, and it was lighter in weight compared to the Hancer, but as far as quality, fit & finish go, it doesn't have much on the Sarsilmaz, either.

Called Briley and asked about service and support. The guy was curteous and said they will still support the Sarsilmaz for quite a while. They are local here in Houston and my side of town, no less. I can drop it off, if I need service work done. So I feel pretty good about owning these Turkish guns.

BigTyme27
January 12, 2010, 01:40 AM
I work at Academy and yes they are clearing them out so at 278 plus employee discount i couldn't pass it up. bought 200 rounds of steel monarch and hit the range today.. flawless..!!! ate steel like no other. no problems and was a tack driver at 15 yards. thinking of snatching up one more before we run out!!! just remember when Springfield bought the HS 2000 and turned it into the "xd" with no changes and asked for an additional 200+:cuss:

Volfy
January 12, 2010, 03:44 AM
Here's my Hancer 2000. 2nd pic is with the Mec-gar CZ Compact magazine. Fits very well and feeds just fine. I can live with the slight gap for now. 3rd pic shows (from left to right) factory mags for the Sarsilmaz Kama and Hancer, Mec-Gar CZ compact, and National Magazines CZ75/85.

Yes, I had to get the Kama. Steel guns are getting rarer and rarer, and I just couldn't pass up on these.:D

BossHogg
January 12, 2010, 04:15 PM
How easy are the slide stop on your gun to come out?Mine has to be tapped out, can't do it with thumb pressure. When I put it back in it clicks, most can be done by hand pressure, is it just mine or do you have the same problem?

BigTyme27
January 12, 2010, 10:55 PM
Boss hog all you have to do when it clicks just move the slide a hair forward or backward and it will slid right out
:D

BossHogg
January 12, 2010, 11:03 PM
But can you push it out with your thumb? I can't on mine.

DNS
January 13, 2010, 12:38 AM
Those are a nice looking. Not to hijack a thread but are they lefty friendly?
If so i'm stopping at Academy tomorrow.
Mike

Volfy
January 13, 2010, 03:34 AM
I have to use a tool to push out the slide stop too. I am still trying to get a hang of it, but I'm sure it's just a pretty stiff spring. I kinda prefer it this way though. It's better to be tight and secure, than loose and sloppy.

I'm a southpaw too. I would have liked the controls to be ambi like the CZ-85, of course, but I find the Sarsilmazs very workable. The magazine release looks to be reversable, but I've always used my left index finger on most pistols, except the really small one (like my TCP). The slide stop/release is postioned perfectly for my left index finger also. I'm also going to look into getting a CZ-85 ambi slide release lever assembly to see if it can be fitted on these Turkish clones. That leave the manual safety, which has no real convenient way for a leftie to flick one-handed. However, since the safety is mostly an administrative task on a DA/SA gun, it isn't absolutely necessary. Unless you prefer to carry cocked & locked, some shooter don't even use it.

BTW, I just modified the Hogue grip to fit the Hancer. The screw location turned out to be a bit off, but still came out reasonably well. I will post pics later.

BossHogg
January 13, 2010, 09:21 AM
Thanks Volfy, I kinda thought that it was designed that way just wanted to make sure. As I don't know anyone locally that has one.

ATBackPackin
January 13, 2010, 09:54 AM
I have a CZ and my slide stop is pretty stiff as well. I use a small block of soft wood to get mine out so I do not scratch my gun. I just set it over the slide stop and push it out as opposed to "punching" it out. Works perfectly for me and zero scratches, plus the block is small enough to fit in my bag I take shooting if I need to "field strip".

Hope this helps.

Shawn

BossHogg
January 13, 2010, 10:01 AM
Nice tip on removing the slide stop. I was useing a wood screwdriver to tap out,but I like your ideal. Aiways looking for good advice,thanks Dennis

Volfy
January 13, 2010, 12:28 PM
Good way of doing it. I'll go find a couple pieces of plywood to put into my gun bag and toolbox. The Sarsilmaz manual shows using the plastic baseplate of the magazine to push it out, so they must have designed it to be stiff. That works, but you still have to look at it or you could easily slip off the rounded tip. Flat piece of wood sounds like a much better idea.

tekarra
January 13, 2010, 09:40 PM
I use the base of the magazine to tap out the slide stop.

BossHogg
January 13, 2010, 10:13 PM
My manual for the Hancer 2000 shows using your thumb ,page 7 photo 13a . Are the manuals different or was that for the Kama ? No big thang thanks for letting me know it had to be tapped out.

Volfy
January 14, 2010, 02:08 AM
You're right. I checked again, and it was the CZ75/85 manuals I downloaded that showed using magazine butt plate.

The Kama manual is the same as Hancer's.

Volfy
January 15, 2010, 11:32 PM
Shot another 150rd through the Kama and Hancer today. About 50 shots one-handed, both strong and weak side. Also tried relaxing the grip a little - not exactly comfortable enough try really limpwristing it. No problem of any kind.

The modified Mec-Gar CZ75 16rd mag worked just fine in both pistols.

I am starting to think these are good enough for more than just range practice. At 34 and 35.5 Oz. respectively, the Hancer and Kama are no featherweight, but neither are they that much heavier than many of the CHL guns folks carry. Just think of all those 1911s people happily lug around.

I won't get my CHL for probably several months anyway, so plenty time to break in these more and then give them some thought.

BossHogg
January 16, 2010, 12:26 PM
" I am starting to think these are good enough for more than just range practice. At 34 and 35.5 Oz. respectively, the Hancer and Kama are no featherweight, but neither are they that much heavier than many of the CHL guns folks carry. Just think of all those 1911s people happily lug around."

I was thinking that for the price it would be a nice range gun, but I too love how it shoots and feels in my hand. It's border line on the weight ,but I'm thinking it just might make the carry rotation.

It fits in three or four of my holsters so I don't have to get new leather.

giblet1979
January 17, 2010, 01:38 PM
I have now put 300 rounds total and most recently on a small circular target with 1-2" Rings I kept 38 of 40 in the 8 ring or betterfrom 7 yards and 9 of 10 in the 7 ring at 15 yards. It was ine of the targets that is the size of a paper plate. Not bad. I think this is becoming my second favorite handgun. The first is a Ruger Blackhawk .357 mag.

BossHogg
January 17, 2010, 04:36 PM
Now if we can find some perdy wood grips I'd be in Hogg Heaven.:)

ATBackPackin
January 17, 2010, 05:20 PM
Now if we can find some perdy wood grips I'd be in Hogg Heaven.


I was comparing your Sarsilmaz to my CZ and your grips look more "humped" then the CZ, but other than that they look very similar. I am probably going to take a stab at making my own wood stocks, but I did hear about a guy that supposedly does a fantastic job. Might be worth a phone call.

Shawn

http://www.czgrips.us/

Pilot
January 17, 2010, 06:21 PM
Google Hakan Pek and you'll find some really nice wood grips for CZ's. Maybe someone knows his website as well.

Volfy
January 18, 2010, 11:38 AM
Whereas the Kama uses the exact same grip as full-size CZ, the Hancer may not be 100% compatible with CZ Compact grips. I say that because I have a CZ Compact 14rd magazine and it stick out about a 1/4". I think the Hancer is closer related to the EAA Witness Compact, which also has a 13rd mag.

You might want to trial fit before you buy. If you have to trim a bit off the bottom, it's probably not a big deal. But if the screw is not at the same location on a wood grip, you'd be uhh... screwed.:)

I managed to trim a full-size Hogue wraparound grip to fit the Hancer. The screw location is about 2mm off, but with the rubber/plastic grip widening the hole a bit was functionally okay. Esthetically not great, but for a potential concealed carry gun, nobody is supposed to see it anyway.;)

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