[Nightfall]

http://www.techtv.com/xplay/features/story/0,24330,3544299,00.html
Morgan twitches her trigger finger at the shooting range.

By Morgan Webb

Being of left-coastal origin and generally embracing the city life, I had never before shot a gun. I believe guns can be a useful and viable tool for those of the hunting persuasion, but for a city girl who won't even carry mace because she thinks it's dangerous, the thrill of firing a gun is not something I'd actively pursue.

But I'm up for anything. They ask me to go fire a gun, I say "sure." They ask me to fire an automatic weapon, I say "sure" again. I figure I can get some good pointers to hone my fps skills and learn what it would really be like to run around with my finger on the trigger.

So I find myself at the The Gun Store in Las Vegas, shooting flaming rounds into the poorly photocopied visage of Saddam Hussein.

Firing an Uzi is nothing like I would have expected. These are machines of war, and they do most of the work for you. It's easy to clean in the field, has much less kick than I would have expected, and you can see the flames shoot out the sides as you aerate the flimsy paper target. The flames were the best part.

Shooting an M16 indoors feels like a really stupid thing to do, but the guys who ran the store were great, and you could tell they felt really comfortable with a gun in their hands. For some reason they had enough trust to put one in mine, though I am glad to say no one was hurt in the filming of this episode.

I enjoy first-person shooters a lot. In fact, they're probably my favorite type of game. It's the fast pace that really draws me, and it allows my repressed hunter to surface momentarily (grrrr!). Shooting a real automatic weapon, however, was very different, especially for a city girl. The gun, in real life, was dangerous, a thing to be feared. You could tell by the body language of everyone around it. No one was running around with 27 real weapons on their back, shooting wildly in hopes that a stray shot might hit their target.

The Gun Store didn't really improve my gaming, but it made me appreciate the difference between real guns and videogames. They are two totally different things. I'll stay safely at my computer with my videogames, thanks!

:rolleyes:

[JimJD]

I saw that episode a few weeks ago on "TechTV".
Show in question is called XPLAY.
I like that show a lot. Good reviews and funny to boot.
Did I mention that Morgan Webb is absolutely beautiful!?
Plus, she's intelligent.
God... beauty and brains!
*SWOON!*
*JimJD hits the floor in a daze*
:D

[TheeBadOne]

Cool

[OEF_VET]

Seems like she had an enjoyable time. Hopefully this will help some people realize that a) guns are dangerous, but b) the people who use them aren't necessarily dangerous.

Frank

[spacemanspiff]

techtv RULES!!!

okay, so i'm a geek.

i've been alternating my gameplayin MOHAA between non-realism servers and realism. difference being, one shot will typically get a kill in 'realism'. nonrealism takes a lot more.

but since the majority of my game experience is in nonrealism, i've learned how to take more careful aims, and can handle myself quite well with the garand, even up against the sturmgewehr44.
its frustrating to my opponents to be taken down by my rifle or even my 1911 pistol, when they are spraying 30 rounds my direction at point blank range and not even coming close to killing me.


edit - before this winds up getting closed as OT, we talk frequently about guns in books, movies, tv shows, even music, so talk about the guns in computer games technically should be ON topic.

[hksw]

Hmm, missed that episode.

Doesn't sound like guns are her bag. At least she gave it a try. Not wanting ill will on her but maybe in the future she will see the beneficial non-hunting uses of firearms.

[spacemanspiff]

i think they have emails set up for viewers to send in feedback. from what i can tell, all the techy shows on techtv pay real close attention to viewer feedback.

maybe we should send some encouraging words to them?

side topic, techtv's show 'the screensavers' has also done segments on the flawed diebold voting systems, i was halfway hoping Mr March would be the one interviewed, but he wasnt.

[jsalcedo]

The Gunstore in Vegas is a fantastic place with very reasonable prices.

You can rent anything on the shelf or choose from 9 different submachine guns on the pegboard.

The price is $30 per gun which includes 2 full mags then extra mags are just the price of PMC ammo ($10.50 a box for .45acp)

I spent a good $250 one afternoon and left with a grin so big it was difficult to convince my wife that I hadn't visited one of the "ranches"

[JimJD]

Spacemanspiff,
Funny you should mention that.
I sent them an e-mail that night after seeing the episode.

Told them I was happy that they did a segment of that nature. Mentioned that many gamers are also recreational shooters, and that Beretta is teaming up with the makers of "thrustmaster" branded game controllers. They should be coming out with some Beretta type/branded light guns pretty soon!

Oh, one thing though about Leo Laporte of the screen savers.
He's almost made some comments that were anti-gun. I can't remember exactly what he said, but you could see that the producers of the show were telling him through his earbud that he should not continue.
Funny... He supposedly owns a farm... Hmmm...

[cracked butt]

Has anyone had a gun purchase influenced by a video game?

[Kamicosmos]

Did I mention that Morgan Webb is absolutely beautiful!?


That's why I watch the show!


I did see that episode, and she did pretty well with the full auto Uzi!

[swingset]

TechTV is based in SanFransisco, so you can guess the political leanings of most of the network. The fact that Leo (who I otherwise like alot) makes anti-gun comments is not surprising.

I like all the ladies of TechTV. Jessica on The Screen Savers is so hot. Yummy:

http://graphics.techtv.com/graphics/thescreensavers/3433706.jpg

[MuzzleBlast]

<--- showing his age:
Has anyone had a gun purchase influenced by a video game?I've spent most of my adult life trying to locate a BFG9000 at gun shows.

[mattd]

Martin Sargent on show on techtv called Unscrewed had the guy from gungirls.com he was calling him a second amendment freedom fight.

[dustind]

"Rainbow Six, Rouge Spear" gave me a boost towards actually owning firearms and seeking info online as opposed to just planning on buying a few "some day when I have the time, money, and space."

[45R]

Ahhhh TechTV. One of my daily staples of life living in the Bay Area. I had the oppurtunity to visit the TechTV set about 2 years back, there were plenty of woman on the set that made Morgan look like a 1 out of 10. Jessica gets some pretty high honors esp after watching her "box" with her PC. :) Everybody was on the sets were friendly and I got to see alot of neat toys.

Leo makes for a better PC guy than a gun buy. Can you imagine him trying to field strip a Glock on the set of screensavers.

After getting into guns...I stopped playing PVP games.

[Ukraine Train]

The Gun Store didn't really improve my gaming, but it made me appreciate the difference between real guns and videogames. They are two totally different things. I'll stay safely at my computer with my videogames, thanks!

If only the idiots who shot those two people on the highway after playing grand theft auto should have realized this.

[George Hill]

I thought Megan was kinda cute...
But the hottest... Sumi Das.

You have to kinda feel sorry for these guys though. How can you possibly get a realistic life perspective when you grow up and spend your life in San Francisco? Sure, granted there are some intelligent folk who have, but that's extremely rare over there. Nice place though. Pretty.

Then again, so is Dutch John, Utah and I've yet to meet a liberal there.

[Andrew Rothman]

...I believe guns can be a useful and viable tool for those of the hunting persuasion...
...to run around with my finger on the trigger.
...The gun, in real life, was dangerous, a thing to be feared.

This is not a real positive article.

[fight4yourrights]

I always enjoy asking a new shooter "So, is it what you thought it would be? Was it like on television?"

Everyone is always amazed how it's NOT like it's portrayed in the movies and TV

[zahc]

I've spent most of my adult life trying to locate a BFG9000 at gun shows.

I've always wanted one of those infinite ammo bandannas. Anyone want to sell one?

[Deep Blue]

:what: :what: :what: :what:

Morgan Webb is uber-hot.

[Andrew Wyatt]

It's rather funny. I've spent most of my adult life looking for a proper 1911 in videogames.

[pax]

edit - before this winds up getting closed as OT, we talk frequently about guns in books, movies, tv shows, even music, so talk about the guns in computer games technically should be ON topic.

Okay, let's talk about this little "ON topic" thing for a minute, mmkay?

"ON topic" would be talking about the guns in computer games. Talking about the guns on techtv, or about the gamers' reaction to shooting a real gun, would also be on topic.

Talking about which girlie makes you whirlie is NOT on topic.

If the majority of posts aren't on topic, or if the overall trend is toward being off topic, the thread will be closed as being "Off Topic."

Pretty simple.

pax

[SanduneCC]

http://www.techtv.com/graphics/thescreensavers/3374286.jpg

Morgan Webb = Yum Yum Yum !!! :evil:

[BluesBear]

Not to sound sexist, even though as a hormonally normal American male it's difficult, having a "hot babe" on TV, admitting to enjoying shooting is good for our cause.

Now I realize that "Barbie Dolls" are not usually what we see at a typical day at the range. But what we need to be doing is educating, not necessarily converting, more "mainstream" Americans into the fold.

While I have nothing against camo outfits and witty "cold dead hands" t-shirts or "driver only carries $20 woth of ammo" bumber stickers, I have chosen not to go that route.

I wear a nice shirt with a collar and dress jeans to the gun show. I want the antis and fence sitters to see as many "average looking" Americans promoting responsible gun-ownership as possible.

Do you realize what would happen if we could convince Oprah that Mikey Moore and his kind are wrong?

We don't need a leather-wearing-motorcycle-riding-grandstanding-fool-politicians either. We need Mr & Mrs Americans of all colours and backgrounds showing the world that supporting the constitution and travelling the high road IS the "normal" way to live.

Let's face it more people will listen to a "hot babe". So if having a few hotties on our side is what it takes so be it. We have to shed the stereotypical images.

The fact is we need more Morgan Webbs on our side.


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[pax]

Let's face it more people will listen to a "hot babe". So if having a few hotties on our side is what it takes so be it. We have to shed the stereotypical images.

The fact is we need more Morgan Webbs on our side.
Blues,

You're right.

But do ya think that the way to make a girl want to learn how to use power tools is to wolf whistle at her as she walks past the construction site? :uhoh:

As a member of the female species, I can tell you that that's not really a great way to win (female) friends and influence (female) people.

As a moderator, I can tell you that if you guys wanna talk about which actress makes your toes curl, you can find lotsa other sites on which you can do that. But this site is for gun related discussion only.

pax

Moderator
General Discussion Forum

[Nightfall]

I agree that more mainstream, positive exposure of our ‘gun culture' is a must for our cause. But, when I posted this article I saw it in mostly a negative light.
"I believe guns can be a useful and viable tool for those of the hunting persuasion..."

"For some reason they had enough trust to put one in mine, though I am glad to say no one was hurt in the filming of this episode."

"The gun, in real life, was dangerous, a thing to be feared. You could tell by the body language of everyone around it." (that's respect lady, not fear)

"I'll stay safely at my computer with my videogames, thanks!"
Many of these comments seem to further the stereotype of guns being for hunting ONLY, that most people can't be trusted with guns, that guns are dangerous and the very prospect of being around one is a hazardous activity to be avoided if possible. I just didn't see it as a positive article.

[BluesBear]

But do ya think that the way to make a girl want to learn how to use power tools is to wolf whistle at her as she walks past the construction site?
Pax,

No, I do not think that's the best way. Which is why I didn't mention it. The intent of my previous post was to try and get this thread back into focus.

Men will look at a woman just because she's attractive. But looking at and listening to are two vastly different reactions.
Women on the other hand, usually listen to what another woman has to say. It's the women I think we need to reach.

Now please don't take this the wrong way, I do not mean this as an insult. But it is my belief, from years of talking to women, that way too many women cast their votes based on emotions and not on logic. Edcuated women tend to vote logically.

I actually think that most of the women involved in the MMM are well meaning ladies with good intentions. They just haven't been presented with the facts in a way that they will listen to.

Too many times, well meaning men will "preach" to a woman about what's right. Women don't like to be preached to. Besides that it is demeaning to talk down to a woman. I have been blessed to be able to conver severl women over to our side during my life, and it all cases I did this by treating them like a lady and showing them respect.

As I said before, do you realize how much we could further our cause if only we could convert Oprah? Of if Katie Couric was to start talking about RKBA?

Pax, sice you libve in my area, what would happen if Jean Enersen, suddenly sarted doing positive firearms reports on our local station?

It's all well and good to sit here and preach to the chior and pat each other on the back, but what we really need to do it reach out to some people that already have the public's attention and trust.

After all, responsible firearms ownership, protecting yourself and your family really IS for the children. This country was founded, explored and settled by people who did it all for their children.


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[444]

"You have to kinda feel sorry for these guys though. How can you possibly get a realistic life perspective when you grow up and spend your life in San Francisco?"

Agreed.

That is why I live in a place that has stuff like The Gun Store. It is right up the street from where I work.

[spacemanspiff]

As a moderator, I can tell you that if you guys wanna talk about which actress makes your toes curl, you can find lotsa other sites on which you can do that. But this site is for gun related discussion only.

well pax, you know i put that paragraph in specifically because i have seen -some- moderators (not naming names here) jump all over a thread that to everyone else is *on topic* and worthy of discussing, but apparently doesnt fit the secret criteria set by the individual mod.

for example, in this very thread your comments indicate to me that you take great offense at hearing about attractive females, or as you so elequontly put it "which girlie makes you whirlie", or "which actress makes your toes curl". maybe my sarcasm gauge is offline, but your attitude has a touch of jealousy perhaps? funny thing is, i doubt you would be hovering over the "Lock Thread" button if this thread was about Ann Coulter. in fact, Ms Coulters attractiveness is often discussed here and never have i seen a mod smack the posters knuckles with a ruler over it.

if i may make a suggestion... why dont you take a look at how other moderators around THR approach threads that veer off topic. they use subtle reminders and gently try to help the thread back on course... you know, more flies with honey type of thing?

[pax]

Spiff,

Sure, I need lessons in "nice."

And in real life I'm 375 pounds, missing two front teeth, and going bald (except in my armpits).

But it doesn't matter. If the thread's not about guns, it's not on topic.

Actually, you realize, that you made a rather direct comment about moderation in your first post. I thought you were asking for a direct guideline, so I gave it to you.

If you have any further feedback about moderation, you are welcome to PM me, email me, or post comments in the Tech Support (http://www.thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=18) forum. Best not derail this thread any further that direction.

pax

Remember, it's not whether you win or lose. It's how many cheap shots you can get away with. -- Maxine in _Crabby Road_

[Justin]

Sorry Spiff, but Pax is right.
If someone started a thread dedicated to how Coulter is a hottie it'd get locked down PDQ.

As for the 'being more subtle' thing- personally I don't think it'd work. If you're anything like every other guy I know, we don't do subtle. You want our attention or to get us to do something, come right out and say it. I have no need for innuendo or hinting.

Neither should you, especially given your last post, which is about as subtle as a cinderblock through a plate-glass window.

As Pax mentioned, if you've got a problem with a particular moderator, or how threads are being moderated take it to the tech support forum, PM, or email.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

[Shootin' Buddy]

We've had half-clad babes posing with guns since well before 1968, and it hasn't helped our cause one bit so far.

Don

[Knife_Sniper]

Has anyone had a gun purchase influenced by a video game?

A game called counter-strike is the reason I own "tactical" guns.
This has always been a gun home, but only recently have I become a gun nut. I fancy "assault" weapons for cool factor, fun factor, and usefullness ratio.



Counter strike.
:D

[Blain]

Firing an Uzi is nothing like I would have expected. These are machines of war, and they do most of the work for you. It's easy to clean in the field, has much less kick than I would have expected, and you can see the flames shoot out the sides as you aerate the flimsy paper target.



Does anyone know *** she is talking about here? A Uzi doesn't kick much on full auto and it's easy to clean in the field? Flames? ***? Was she in a video game for this part?

[Justin]

My guess would be that she was at an indoor range where muzzle flash tends to be more pronounced.

And the couple of times I've fired a 9mm carbine they generally don't kick very hard. Never cleaned an UZI, but if it's like any other military weapon it's probably quite idiot proof when it comes to field stripping it.

[mattd]

Tracers

[JimJD]

She was firing indoors.
I don't remember if she was using tracers or not, have to watch that episode again.

[pax]

Now please don't take this the wrong way, I do not mean this as an insult. But it is my belief, from years of talking to women, that way too many women cast their votes based on emotions and not on logic. Edcuated women tend to vote logically.

I actually think that most of the women involved in the MMM are well meaning ladies with good intentions. They just haven't been presented with the facts in a way that they will listen to.

Too many times, well meaning men will "preach" to a woman about what's right. Women don't like to be preached to. Besides that it is demeaning to talk down to a woman. I have been blessed to be able to conver severl women over to our side during my life, and it all cases I did this by treating them like a lady and showing them respect.
Blues,

Here's the rub: how can you respect a woman, how can a woman believe you respect her, if at heart you don't believe that women are capable of making logical, well thought out choices? You say that without that essential respect, women won't change their minds about guns or the RKBA. And I agree with you.

By asking that question, I'm not trying to attack you personally. Not in any sense. The question is meant for a wider audience, everyone reading this.

It's an attitude I've come across many times, and which has never ceased to amaze me. In talking to RKBA types, I've heard over and over that we need to appeal to women and reach out to women. And I've also heard, over and over again, that women make choices with their emotions and not with their brains. This is the equivalent of saying that men are unable to think except with their penises: it may be true in certain senses, but it gets us no forwarder and certainly offends and annoys plenty of those of whom it is said.

As you say, the goal is to reach out to ordinary Americans. I really believe that thinking of half the target audience as toys and/or emotional fools isn't the best place to start.

With that out of the way, I have to add that I agree with Shootin' Buddy's assessment. The fact is that women have posed themselves sensually with guns for men's pleasure for many years. Of course men always have and always will enjoy looking at such pictures and shows, but is there any reason to believe that they've had any effect on the RKBA whatsoever?

pax

A man of sense only trifles with them (women), plays with them, humours and flatters them, as he does with a sprightly and forward child; but he neither consults them about, nor trusts them with, serious matters. -- Philip Chesterfield

[BluesBear]

Pax, I agree with most everything you have said . But I feel the need to clarify myself a tad bit.

Remember that this is coming for years of being a big fan of the female gender, (Women are not a separate species) and is my my well thought out opinion based on actual observences and interactions.

A woman will buy dishwashing detergent based upon her experience in actually seeing what gets her dishes clean. SHe will buy groceries based upon what she knows her family will eat as well as what will give her the best value for her money. And women do this because they have the knowledge and experience in such matters because somewhere in her upbringing someone washed dishes and served dinner.

Now you take the same woman, and if she was raised in an envionment where there were no guns and there was no discussion of politics, she will be more likely to cast her votes based on who played saxophone on some TV show and she will listen to other women, who she can identify with, who insist that we need to ban guns for the safety of the children.

Unless she is either taught or personally experiences something to change her opinion she will continue down the path she is comfortable with.

For too many years women were either sheltered from the harsh realities of life or they were forbidden to take part in them.

My 17 year old step-daughter knows how to change a tire, check the oil, duct tape a split radiator hose as well as other basic automobile operating and maintainence skills. She often laughs at her school mates who panic at the mere thought of having to call AAA for something minor.

She also knows the correct wrench to use to remove the trap on the bathroom sink when it mysteriously gets clogged with multiple strands of slightly curly 18" auburn hair. :D And this past week she was officially accepted to one of the top engineering colleges in the country with almost a full scholarship.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. But you still need education to be able to decide for yourself if there are any other roads to travel.

Pax I applaud you in your efforts to further our cause. We need many more people like you, male AND female, before our task is done.

[GSB]

Doesn't sound like guns are her bag.

She seemed to really like the airsoft match she was in, so I think she could come around. The problem is, she probably lives and works in a very anti-gun environment, and it can be hard to get past that when you get lectured and hectored by the anti-crowd on a daily basis. I remember when I lived in NJ, I'd often be treated with horror and condemnation for the mere thoughtcrime of being interested in guns. She may just be reluctant to admit that she really had a blast -- she sure seemed to be having a good time in the segment, so maybe some of the sentiments in the article are residual liberal guilt for taking pleasure in the "Forbidden Activity".

I saw the segment, and I think she misconstrued care and safety-consciousness for "fear". The R.O. wasn't fearful, he was being very, very careful with allowing a novice to handle a fully automatic firearm. Morgan would probably have been less intimidated by real guns had she spent some time on the range with a .22 pistol and rifle and moved up.

[hksw]

Morgan would probably have been less intimidated by real guns had she spent some time on the range with a .22 pistol and rifle and moved up.

Although I haven't seen the segment, it sounds like she went straight to the full auto centerfires. I totally agree that if she would have started from the small end, it probably would have been easier for her to get to like shooting. Nothing like not so good experiences at the range the first few times out to set the wrong viewpoint off the bat.

[Kamicosmos]

I would imagine the producers said 'Get the UZI!"

Wouldn't have been a very interesting segment for the average viewer if she was standing there plugging away with a .22 now would it? ;)

[George Hill]

TechTV was just looking for ratings. Cute girl with a cool gun will get people watching and talking.

[GSB]

it sounds like she went straight to the full auto centerfires

Actually, IIRC she started with something like a .44 Mag (probably a bad choice) then moved pretty quickly to the full auto.

[Blain]

And she said the full auto uzi had little recoil????

[Sergeant Bob]

Maybe off topic but, Sumi Das is now a reporter on MSNBC!!
Just saw her giving a report on the John Mohammed case>