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noob_shooter
January 10, 2010, 12:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ-KG1odvLs


silencer flew off!

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Ohio Gun Guy
January 10, 2010, 12:16 PM
THe best is the guy in the back ground laughing.

WoofersInc
January 10, 2010, 01:43 PM
As a suppressor owner I don't see the humor in it. For the can to fly off like that means that there was a baffle strike. Baffle strikes damage the suppressor pretty badly. Worse is if the outer tube is damaged. Under the wisdom of NFA rules and BATF, if the tube cannot be repaired easily and has to be replaced, the owner of that can has to re-submit paperwork and another $200 tax and go through the whole months long wait again.

Ranb
January 10, 2010, 04:21 PM
That was messed up. I have had baffle strikes on my homemade cans that were caused by misalignment or faulty handloads that yawed, but they did no more than make small dents on the baffles and end caps.

If the baffle strike was due to misalignment or faulty ammo, then he is probably has a large repair bill ahead. If the manufacturer or dealer mounted the can, then he should be able to get a free repair. If it is a homemade can, then he is SOL and needs to pay another $200 tax unless he is real good with his machine shop.

I think if he sends it back to the manufacturer, he can get it replaced without another $200 tax. Another class 2 would be allowed to replace parts, but not make repairs that lengthen the tube. I was lucky that I was able to repairs dents in my silencers with a hammer and not replace parts. I would have to pay another $200 tax as I do not have a license to make them.

I have engaged in nervous laughter after an incident involving firearm damage, but I have never laughed at the shooters involved.

Ranb

longdayjake
January 10, 2010, 04:37 PM
the tube cannot be repaired easily and has to be replaced, the owner of that can has to re-submit paperwork and another $200 tax and go through the whole months long wait again.

If a silencer is damaged, a manufacturer can replace it with one that has the exact same serial number without the buyer paying another $200. Or I could be mistaken, but that is what I understand.

WoofersInc
January 10, 2010, 04:56 PM
If a silencer is damaged, a manufacturer can replace it with one that has the exact same serial number without the buyer paying another $200. Or I could be mistaken, but that is what I understand.

No longer true. There is a big controversy over this involving Gem-Tech. Other manufacturers were fixing competitors cans and reusing the serial numbers from the competitors cans. This sometime involved them just replacing the whole suppressor with one with the same serial #. Some people are walking around with AAC cans or SWC cans with Gem-Tech or some other companies markings on them. Gem-Tech asked the ATF for clarification and it came down that no one could do this any longer. A lot of people are mad at Gem-Tech for bringing the subject to ATF's attention and have called the re-payment $200 tax for repairing the tubes the GemTax. This is a really sore subject on SilencerTalk. Part of that though is due to the site being run by someone associated with AAC.

John Parker
January 10, 2010, 06:43 PM
on my homemade cans

Great thing to post on the internet!

N003k
January 10, 2010, 06:50 PM
John...you do realize that if you pay the tax, you can make your own, right? Given his post, especially "I was lucky that I was able to repairs dents in my silencers with a hammer and not replace parts. I would have to pay another $200 tax as I do not have a license to make them." I'm guessing he did it legally.

That said, I personally don't have a suppressor....keep getting distracted getting other guns instead....but, given the fact its probably not a good thing, and I don't laugh at potentially dangerous or costly events in others lives...I'm not really laughing over this one either.

WoofersInc
January 10, 2010, 07:08 PM
Quote:
on my homemade cans

Great thing to post on the internet!

Look back over some of Ranb's posts. He follows all applicable NFA rules as do most of us that post here. I have not met him personally but from his posts I am willing to put up money that he has the tax stamps for everything he owns.

Ranb
January 10, 2010, 10:27 PM
Great thing to post on the internet!

That was a brief post, so if I take the high road, then I should assume that he thinks my efforts to encourage legal firearm use and ownership in the USA are a good thing to promote on this website. I make every effort to promote activities like shooting, gunsmithing and loading ammo and post about those activities, including how I legally make silencers on a lathe in my garage.

on my homemade cans.....I was able to repairs dents in my silencers.....I would have to pay another $200 tax as I do not have a license to make them.

Now if he was trying to be ironic, that is another thing. Surely he would not assume that making any firearm (except a machine gun) without a license in my garage would be breaking any federal laws. I mean he has never read any such law, so a normal person would just assume that something that is not obviously immoral would be legal unless they actually read some sort of law prohibiting it. I have also run into a person or two that know about the tax stamps but for some reason do not know that ATF authorization is a routine process and never denied (afaik) to anyone who fills out the forms properly. Unfortunately there are also some people on gun forums who think only the guns they personally consider acceptable for civilian use are actually legal to own in the USA.

I've no idea why anyone would quote ("homemade cans") a post and single out a few words when they could quote a few more ("pay another $200 tax") words that would make things more clear. Over the years I have almost gotten used to people suggesting or even outright accusing me of being a criminal on gun forums for talking about making silencers or other title 2 weapons. I have learned that it is a good idea to drop a few words into any post I make about home made silencers to ensure that uninformed readers know I am doing more than making chips on a lathe and doing something to stay legal. I have info on silencer legalities in my profile signatures on two other gun forums I post on; I guess I might need to do it here too.

I have also run into those people who know all about the legalities of title 2 weapons, own guns, and still feel that title 2 weapons are unacceptable for civilians to own in the USA. These people are worse than the idiots out there that just assume something is illegal even when they know they have never read any law prohibiting that thing. These gun owners are the reason we have so many nonsensical restrictions on gun ownership. F---'em.

Ranb

Ranb
January 10, 2010, 10:51 PM
I'm guessing he did it legally.

I'm not really laughing over this one either.

Yep, banging out dents with a hammer is legal when repairing a silencer, even one made on an ATF form 1. Years ago when I made my first one, I had questions as to what parts I could repair or replace so I wrote a letter to the BATFE. The letter I got back was a bit ambiguous, but they said I could replace parts after destroying the wipes (rubber disks). I interpreted this is meaning I could only replace the wipes and no other parts. Others who read the letter said I could replace any other parts without paying another $200 tax. I have since read other letters saying that a form 1 silencer maker can not replace anything except wipes, so I am SOL on making those kinds of repairs. I can also not make any repairs that change the bore size or silencer length.

I hope the guys in the video were not laughing at the poor dude who had to pick up pieces of his can downrange. I have laughed at myself and with others who have experienced misfortune at the rifle range, but I have yet to laugh at anyone who had something come apart on them. As I have been known to be insensitive at times, that day may come when I do laugh at the wrong time and if it is like other times, then I will feel an inch tall soon after.

One time I was shooting a makarov over a chrony and one round did not record. I foolishly thought I shot too high and pulled the trigger again instead of checking the bore. The next round was blocked by the previous squib round and the pistol came part in my hand. After picking up the pieces from the ground and putting pressure on the hole in my thumb, I went to the range officer’s shack and asked for a band aid. Everyone was staring at me as I entered and asked for a band aid indicating my thumb. They asked what the hell happened to my face; I had blood streaming down my chin and did not notice it.

I got a few laughs after the bleeding stopped. They were the kind of laughs that a person gets when he receives crap from others about the dumb stuff he does. When a person gets crap for their injuries, they know they will be ok, then they get “Oh, you poor baby” talk, then it is time to worry. :)

Ranb

John Parker
January 11, 2010, 07:04 AM
Look back over some of Ranb's posts. He follows all applicable NFA rules as do most of us that post here. I have not met him personally but from his posts I am willing to put up money that he has the tax stamps for everything he owns.


I stand corrected. Please accept my apologies! I read so much bad advice here and other places that I simply made a bad assumption.

Ranb
January 11, 2010, 06:36 PM
John Parker,

Can you enlighten us on why you would assume that something is illegal based on bad advice? Did you get this advice from a lawyer? While searching gun control law can be tedious, it is not that hard to take a look for yourself.

It is beyond me why anyone in the USA thinks any types of guns are banned. There are simply no federal laws banning any type of personal firearm. Only excessive controls are placed on them. It is my opinion that any gun owner that claims "this or that type of gun is illegal" is a gun control fanatic just itching to jump out of the closet.

Ranb

John Parker
January 12, 2010, 06:58 AM
It is my opinion that any gun owner that claims "this or that type of gun is illegal" is a gun control fanatic just itching to jump out of the closet.


That's me. Glad you found me out before I could do some real damage. :scrutiny:

Ranb
January 12, 2010, 05:31 PM
Glad you found me out before I could do some real damage.
Too late. People like you apparently do not hesitate to try to convince people that guns are illegal. You do this even though you have no good reason to believe that what you are claiming is true. You told me that my hobby was illegal in your PM to me. How many other people have you tried to do this to?

Ranb

John Parker
January 12, 2010, 07:24 PM
Did I then not apologize both privately and publicly here? What more do you want?
I saw 'homemade can' and made, as I have said previously, a bad assumption. The post by WoofersInc and your PM made me realize that I made a mistake. I've apologized to you publicly and in private. Is there anything else I can do for you?

Ranb
January 12, 2010, 08:48 PM
What more do you want?

You saw the sentences I wrote with question marks and still ask what I want of you? You say you are sorry, but I think you are only sorry you got caught saying something foolish.

Can you enlighten us on why you would assume that something is illegal based on bad advice? Did you get this advice from a lawyer? How many other people have you tried to convince that certain guns are illegal?

Ranb

John Parker
January 12, 2010, 09:04 PM
I assumed that you were making suppressors without going through the (unfortunately) 'proper' channels. That's it. I've since learned otherwise.
What guns did I suggest are illegal? I don't recall, and do not see, that I made that statement anywhere.
Again, I'm sorry for offending you and posting before I thoroughly read your post. If you are really interested in 'taking the high road,' as you mentioned in post number ten, I would implore you to graciously accept my humble apologies. Peace?

Ranb
January 12, 2010, 09:26 PM
Silencers are firearms. You told me that my silencers were illegal in the PM you sent. You even said it was a stupid law like you have actually read a federal law making silencers illegal. Want me to post your PM on the public forum to refresh your memory?

The "high road" means in part that you take responsibility for your errors and do not blame them on the advice of others instead of admitting that you just do not care enough to research the legalities of firearms ownership before making baseless accusations. Think about that before you suggest to me to take the high road again.

So once again I ask; can you enlighten us on why you would assume that something is illegal based on bad advice? Did you get this advice from a lawyer? How many other people have you tried to convince that certain guns are illegal?

Got answers for me or more evasions? I am sick of being nice to people who tell me I am a criminal or suggest that I am breaking the law just because I make mufflers for my guns. Even when I go to the trouble of explaining part of the law I get crap from people like you. Getting this crap on gun forums is a symptom of the problems that gun owners face in this country and one of the reasons why I can not legally use my registered silencers in my home state of Washington. My legislative representatives and Attorney General mostly act like you and it bothers me a great deal.

As far as I am concerned, you should not even be posting on this forum if you can not own up to what you have done. Give everyone else the same crap you are giving me and they might agree.

Ranb

John Parker
January 12, 2010, 09:45 PM
Got answers for me or more evasions? I am sick of being nice to people who tell me I am a criminal or suggest that I am breaking the law just because I make mufflers for my guns.

No answers, no evasions, just another public apology. I'm sorry for suggesting that you did something illegal.

I'm letting this go. Hopefully you can do the same. I made a mistake and would like it if you would forgive me. I wish you all the best, and hopefully we can run into each other under more pleasant circumstances. Once more, I'm sorry for assuming that you had been making illegal silencers.
Take care, Ranb.

LJH
January 12, 2010, 10:38 PM
Looks as is the can actually came apart. What a mess.

OpelBlitz
January 12, 2010, 10:53 PM
Wow, that reminded me of a grenade launcher.

RedAlert
January 13, 2010, 05:05 PM
For the uninformed individual I am, I have 2 question. When making a "can" is there a requirement that it be of welded construction? Could it not be made in such a manner that it could be dis-assembled, repaired, and then reassembled?

Ralph

Ranb
January 13, 2010, 06:13 PM
Some silencers are made with screw on end caps to allow ease of maintenance. There are no legal construction requirements other than that it be engraved with the maker's name, a serial number and place of manufacture.

Most steel silencers for high powered rifles have welded end caps for strength and cheaper manufacture. Some silencers made for rim fire guns come apart for cleaning as the ammo like the 22lr is very dirty as is anything that uses a non-jacketed bullet.

One thing to remember is that each part by itself is a silencer. While this does not mean if you have a silencer with ten parts then you have ten silencers, it does mean a person like myself who makes a silencer can not replace a part (escept wipes) without paying another $200 tgax.

Ranb

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