FBI: 56 Police Officer Slayings In 2002


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TheeBadOne
November 13, 2003, 06:01 PM
Fifty-six law enforcement officers were slain last year, nearly all of them with firearms, the FBI reported . An additional 77 died in accidents.

Fifty-one of the 56 federal, state or local police officers who died at the hands of criminals were shot, with 38 of the deaths caused by handguns. Rifles and shotguns were used in 13 killings, with four officers run over by vehicles and one stabbed to death.

The 2002 killings - 48 men and eight women - brought to 636 the number of officers slain since 1993, with 591 of those deaths attributed to firearms. There were 71 police slayings in 2001.

Car, airplane and motorcycle crashes accounted for 42 of the 77 accidental police deaths in 2002. Others died from accidental shootings and from such things as officers falling from a horse, drowning or being struck by a falling tree.

The FBI also reported that more than 58,000 law enforcement officers were assaulted in 2002, slightly more than in 2001. The majority were attacked while responding to disturbance calls, such as bar fights and domestic arguments, while making arrests or while transporting prisoners.
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Always sobering, the FBI report is just statistics, unless you know someone who's a stat... :uhoh:

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Chipperman
November 13, 2003, 06:27 PM
How many of the criminals had their guns legally? :rolleyes:

Steve Smith
November 13, 2003, 06:30 PM
No offense, but I don't really understand why this is supposed to matter to me.

Daniel T
November 13, 2003, 06:41 PM
How many of those "accidents" were suicides?

Bill Hook
November 13, 2003, 06:51 PM
How many convenience store clerks die in the line of duty each year?

TheeBadOne
November 13, 2003, 06:53 PM
The lesson I see here is to be careful as there are a lot of people out there who won't hesitate to hurt you, and if someone threatens you with a firearm you'd better believe they may use it!

Stay safe out there

TBO

Carlos Cabeza
November 13, 2003, 06:56 PM
Gee TBO, gotta love the stuff you post here............................:rolleyes: Got any stories about the cop who's wife just gave birth to their first baby boy ???? Or how about ANYTHING POSITIVE !!!!!! :( This is the reason I hate to watch the news...............it's nearly always about dirty laundry, very disheartening..........................

TheeBadOne
November 13, 2003, 06:59 PM
Got any stories about the cop who's wife just gave birth to their first baby boy ???? Or how about ANYTHING POSITIVE !!!!!!

Carlos, sorry, but that's not allowed as relevant on THR. I can PM you some of that stuff if you like. I agree that the News is pretty depressing on most days.

MaterDei
November 13, 2003, 07:00 PM
Bill Hook said; How many convenience store clerks die in the line of duty each year? Bill, you make a VERY good point. I would like to see those figures.

Carlos Cabeza
November 13, 2003, 07:10 PM
No intentions of attacking your choice of post content but it seems rather dependant upon malicious topic. I was not aware that positive gun related post content was frowned upon here at THR........I thought we all were trying to unite gun owners and promote responsibility and accountability. I am aware that with the good one must also accept the bad but it should be at a diminished capacity on a forum known as The High Road, if for the sake of the uneducated.

Mark Tyson
November 13, 2003, 07:13 PM
How many were killed with their own weapon?

Steve Smith
November 13, 2003, 07:17 PM
Carlos, I think the issue is that the large majority of TBO's posts are reprints of police blotters, usually about dead cops. Folks are tuning out 'cause the song never changes.

rock jock
November 13, 2003, 07:18 PM
How many unarmed non-LEO's were killed last year by BGs w/ guns? That is a statistic I would like to know about.

Carlos Cabeza
November 13, 2003, 07:23 PM
Well Steve, this is one topic that strikes a sour nerve with me. I simply cannot bear the weight of cops killed in the line of duty. May god bless them for putting their lives in harms way to protect those of us who cannot. amen.

4v50 Gary
November 13, 2003, 07:23 PM
These statistics are studied by LE firearms instructors to evaluate their training programs and to develop their course of fire. Distance for instance. Excluding suicides, from what distance did the assailant fire? What time of day (most are during evening hours), what circumstances (family fights are common), weapons used (rifle or handgun or shotgun like we've been told). They're important for LE agencies, academies, instructors and administrators.

Mark Tyson
November 13, 2003, 07:24 PM
Are the 2002 stats online yet?

TheeBadOne
November 13, 2003, 07:35 PM
Got any stories about the cop who's wife just gave birth to their first baby boy ?
Carlos, that's what I was refering to when I said things like that are not allowed on THR (off topic).

All the best

carpettbaggerr
November 13, 2003, 08:52 PM
51 cops killed with guns. 200,000,000+ guns in the US. Seems like guns aren't really a problem.

tyme
November 13, 2003, 09:40 PM
rock jock, how would you determine "armed"? How many murders are criminal-on-criminal where both are armed? I would fully expect a criminal to take the victim's gun after shooting him. I suspect most murders happen this way, and since criminals don't register guns, it would be rather difficult to determine that the victim was armed.

Standing Wolf
November 13, 2003, 10:51 PM
No offense, but I don't really understand why this is supposed to matter to me.

It's supposed to matter because cops do a dirty, thankless, often exceedingly dangerous job, and sometimes end up having to take a lot of malarky for it. They're by no means the only people who risk their lives to keep us free: only the most visible.

geekWithA.45
November 14, 2003, 01:07 AM
First, a sincere moment of silence for the slain officers of the law.

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And now for some perspective:



LEO's, who's duty calls for them to chase down and duke it out with the scum of the earth, and thus find themselvs pretty consistently in proxminity danger, are slain by criminals at a rate of 60 or so a year.

LEOs are armed, and armored.

Civilians, who generally go about their business in "safe" places like banks, grocery stores, schools, public parks, and their own homes, are slain by criminals at a rate of (what's the accepted figure again?) 28,000 a year.

Civilians are on the whole NOT armed*, and rarely armored.

Doesn't this strike anyone as MESSED UP?

And yet, (again, with no disrespect to the folks in blue) it is "Officer Safety" that is appealled to for every single bleeping bit of gun bigotry legislation on the books.

It's pretty clear to me that the officers are plenty safe. The people aren't.


Gun bigots should be ashamed of themselves, and LEO's should stare at those numbers for a few minutes, and be absolutely enraged that they allow themselves to be the tool go the gun bigot lobby.


*I'm talking about on the street, ie, CCW rates, not overall gun ownership rates.

Ryder
November 14, 2003, 01:24 AM
51 cops killed with guns. 200,000,000+ guns in the US. Seems like guns aren't really a problem

I'd have to agree with that thought. This is an average of one officer per state per year. Numerically speaking, that's a lot safer job than I'd have ever guessed.

c_yeager
November 14, 2003, 01:39 AM
There are a number of jobs that are FAR more dangerous than police work. I bet some people do them without even realizing it. But, few occupations are more selfless and beneficial to the populace than that of police officers.

TheeBadOne
November 14, 2003, 01:43 AM
51 cops killed with guns. 200,000,000+ guns in the US. Seems like guns aren't really a problem

I'd have to agree with that thought. This is an average of one officer per state per year. Numerically speaking, that's a lot safer job than I'd have ever guessed.
Perhaps that year, but as also quoted:

There were 71 police slayings in 2001.

more than 58,000 law enforcement officers were assaulted in 2002

A sad testiment to the state of society today. (and more of a reason for all to have access to firearms)

BluesBear
November 14, 2003, 06:50 AM
I think the numbers ARE interesting AND they're gun related.

56 officers were SLAIN in 2002.

But "only" 51 were shot.

And 77 more were killed in accidents.


I find it interesting that more officers were killed in accidents than were shot. Now I admit that some of this is bcause of body armor and better training. But lets not forget that the antis always whine that CCW makes America more dangerous. They say that the police are worried about being shot by CCW holders at traffic stops and other such rubbish.

How many first time CCW were issued in 2002?
56 officers were slain in 2002.
I'll wager that not ONE officer was killed by a CCW holder.
The police chiefs who jump on the anti-gun bandwagon to further their political ambitions should look at the facts.
CCW DOES make America a more dangerous place... FOR BADGUYS!


The fact that any LEO died saddens me.
The fact that any good person dies also saddens me.
But such is life, you will never get out of it alive.
Everyone dies. It's how you lived that really matters.

1badmagnum
November 14, 2003, 07:28 AM
how many folks are killed each year in auto accidents?
maybe we should ban autos and walk?:banghead:

Mark Tyson
November 14, 2003, 09:08 AM
The gun-auto comparison really won't sway people because cars are seen as a necessity, something that is regularly used by most people, while guns are less and less familiar to your average American.

The solution to this is to introduce people to responsible shooting, and give more people a stake in our fight.

foghornl
November 14, 2003, 11:02 AM
I hate to watch the news...............it's nearly always about dirty laundry, very disheartening..........................

I think singer Don Henly explained the whole "news reporting" thing in his early 80's "Dirty Laundry"

"...We can do the innuendo...
We can dance & sing...
When its said & done...
We haven't told you a thing...
We all know that CRAP is King....
Give us Dirty Laundry"

And the Chorus:

"...Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they shift
Kick 'em all around...
Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our Dirty little fingers
In Everybody's pies"

ANd just to stay On Thread here.... How many were killed by "EEEEVIL Assault Weapons" ? ? ? ?

4v50 Gary
November 14, 2003, 01:13 PM
One member said that statistically it is a safe job. Killed every year. Think about it. If this was 1750 or 1850, the mortality rate would be higher because of the medical care availabe. That medical science has advanced in two centuries is reflected in the fewer # of people killed. What is also examined by police instructors and the FBI are the number of assaults on officers (whether with firerarm, knife, blunt instrument or other). This along with the # of injuries helps give a better picture of what is happening on the streets.

Is it a safe job? No and no other (short of the military) demands the individual to deliberately place him/herself in harm's way. There are more dangerous jobs out there. Be a clerk at a all night convenience store (stop n rob) or a cabbie. Those are pretty dangerous jobs and unlike the LEO, they generally don't have guns to defend themselves with.

Bill Hook
November 14, 2003, 01:15 PM
more than 58,000 law enforcement officers were assaulted in 2002

How many of those are legitimate and how many are innocent persons defending themselves from overzealous LEOs?

TheeBadOne
November 14, 2003, 01:23 PM
How many of those are legitimate and how many are innocent persons defending themselves from overzealous LEOs?
Investigated by the FBI before adding to the stats. If grey/outright fishy, not listed.

buzz_knox
November 14, 2003, 01:36 PM
Investigated by the FBI before adding to the stats. If grey/outright fishy, not listed.

Really? That's interesting. You see, one of the chronic problems with FBI stats on firearms homicides is the failure to distinguish between justifiable homicides and others. The FBI takes the initial reports of a death but doesn't follow up to the see the final outcome and circumstances. But you're telling me that the FBI examines every assault on an LEO to determine the circumstances, and produces 58,000 black and white ones? Talk about a big job. Probably, an impossibly big job. Probably, they don't do it at all, even if they claim they do.

Along the same lines, how many people are unjustifiably assaulted by cops? I've seen too many takedowns in which someone ends up with a knee on their face or neck, grinding them into the pavement. I guess that's what's referred to as a "tune up."

TheeBadOne
November 14, 2003, 01:47 PM
How many of the Officers killed by being run over were truly "Accidents"? How many were run over by someone intentionally who figured, "Hey, if I get caught, I didn't see them..."
I'll commit a murder and settle for an "inattentive driving" or "careless driving" citation, pay my small fine, and move on...

Andrew Rothman
November 14, 2003, 02:06 PM
The 10 most dangerous jobs

OccupationFatalities per 100,000Timber cutters117.8 Fishers71.1 Pilots and navigators69.8 Structural metal workers58.2 Drivers-sales workers37.9 Roofers37 Electrical power installers32.5 Farm occupations28 Construction laborers27.7 Truck drivers25

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics; survey of occupations with minimum 30 fatalities and 45,000 workers in 2002
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/P63405.asp

TheeBadOne
November 14, 2003, 02:40 PM
Mpayne that's an interesting web page. Any stats on how many of those were Work Place Accidents vs. being Murdered, Ambushed, etc?



1. Truck driver 8. Taxicab driver
2. Farm worker 9. Timber cutter
3. Sales supervisor/proprietor 10. Cashier
4. Construction worker 11. Fisherman
5. Police detective 12. Metal worker
6. Airplane pilot 13. Roofer
7. Security guard 14. Firefighter

http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dngrjobs.htm

Another site that shows stats can vary depending on how you look at it.

moa
November 14, 2003, 06:22 PM
Last statistic I saw on the subject is that 16% of LEOs are shot with their own weapon, probably struggling with a suspect. That is about one in five.

Mark Tyson
November 14, 2003, 06:23 PM
Last statistic I saw on the subject is that 16% of LEOs are shot with their own weapon, probably struggling with a suspect. That is about one in five.

If the antis are really so hot about smart guns they'll want the police to have them before the rest of us, I'm sure.

moa
November 14, 2003, 06:37 PM
To sort of put things into perspective, in the past some professions were extremely dangerous. Around a hundred years ago miners and railway workers died by the thousands on the job each year.

Had a program on public TV recently about building of the continental railroad. Just for surveyors alone, 68 where killed on the job in 1868. 45 were killed by Indians, 10 were killed by robbers, and rest by accidents like drowning. And that was just one of two railroad companies involved.

Even in ancient Rome, professional gladitors usually only fought two or three times a year. And if they lost, but put on a good show, they were usually spared as long any wounds they may have received were not fatal. Many gladitors retired.

geekWithA.45
November 15, 2003, 03:47 PM
If the antis are really so hot about smart guns they'll want the police to have them before the rest of us, I'm sure.

Nope, doesn't work that way. First, the law is proposed for LEOs, citing just that issue of LEOs falling to their own guns.

Then the state LEO org gets in on it, and says "That's a dumb arsed idea, we're not doing that NFW."

After that, the forlorn gun bigot legislators casts about, scratching their collective heads.

A lightbulb appears about a foot above their heads, and they all chant in unison:

"It's For the Chiiiiildreeeeeen!"

And proceed to foist in upon the people.

Mad Man
November 15, 2003, 06:36 PM
From the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports web page at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm


The FBI annually compiles data concerning the felonious and accidental line-of-duty deaths and assaults of law enforcement officers and presents these statistics in Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted (LEOKA). Tabular presentations include weapons used, use of body armor, and circumstances surrounding murders and assaults of officers.

* 2001 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2001leoka.pdf) (pdf)
* 2000 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/00leoka.pdf) (pdf)
* 1999 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/99leoka.pdf) (pdf)
* 1998 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/98killed.pdf) (pdf)
* 1997 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/97killed.pdf) (pdf)
* 1996 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/96killed.pdf) (pdf)


If you are using Windows, and want to save the reports for off-line viewing, simply right-click on the link, and select "Save As..." from the pop-up menu (or "Save Target As..." or "Save to Disk...", depending on the web browser you are using).

According to the 2001 report,


When officers are killed in the line of duty, there may be a tendency to assume that they died while intervening in felonies, transporting prisoners, or engaging in other police duties that involve them with clearly antagonistic individuals. However, during 2001, at least nine of the victim offi cers were coming to the aid of persons whom they perceived to be in danger (e.g., from a mentally unstable family member). Three others were intervening to stop an assault. Ten officers were victims of violent attacks that were as unexpected as they were unprovoked. In three of these instances, the unsuspecting officer walked into an ambush situation; in seven others, the offi cer was gunned down for no apparent reason, perhaps just for being a law offi cer.



According to Crime in the United States 2001 (which can also be found on the Uniform Crime Reports page), the overall murder rate in the United States was 5.5 per 100,000 people in 2001 (p. 19). 70 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed (excluding those killed in the World Trade Center attacks). Since there were 659,104 officers, this is a rate of (70 / 659,104) * 100,000 = 10.6 per 100,000 law enforcement officers (pp. 316 - 317).

Mad Man
November 15, 2003, 07:14 PM
According to the 1996 U.S. government report Violence in the Workplace (http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/violhomi.html), taxicab drivers have are at a higher risk of being murdered than members of any other occupation:


Table 8: Workplace homicides in high-risk industries - United States, 1980-1989 and 1990-1992

number of murders, and rate of murder per 100,000 workers

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Taxicab services: 1980-1989: 287 (26.9 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 138 (41.4 per 100,000)
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Liquor stores: 1980-1989: 115 (8.0 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 30 (7.5 per 100,000)
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Gas service stations: 1980-1989: 304 (5.6 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 68 (4.8 per 100,000)
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Detective/protective services: 1980-1989: 152 (5.0 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 86 (7.0 per 100,000)
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Justice/public order establishments: 1980-1989: 640 (3.4 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 137 (2.2 per 100,000)
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Grocery stores: 1980-1989: 806 (3.2 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 330 (3.8 per 100,000) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jewelry stores: 1980-1989: 56 (3.2 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 26 (4.7 per 100,000)
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Hotels/motels: 1980-1989: 153 (1.5 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 33 (0.8 per 100,000)
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Barber shops: 1980-1989: 14 (1.5 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 4 ( ‡ )
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Eating/drinking places: 1980-1989: 734 (1.5 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 262 (1.5 per 100,000)
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Table 9. Workplace homicides in high-risk occupations—United States,
1983–89 and 1990–92

number of murders, and rate per 100,000 workers

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Taxicab driver/chauffeur : 1983-1989: 197 (15.1 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 140 (22.7 per 100,000)
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Sheriff/bailiff : 1983-1989: 73 (10.9 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 36 (10.7 per 100,000)
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Police and detective—public service : 1983-1989: 267 (9.0 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 86 (6.1 per 100,000)
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Hotel clerk : 1983-1989: 29 (5.1 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 6 (2.0 per 100,000)
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Gas station/garage worker : 1983-1989: 83 (4.5 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 37 (5.9 per 100,000)
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Security guard : 1983-1989: 160 (3.6 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 115 (5.5 per 100,000)
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Stock handler/bagger : 1983-1989: 189 (3.1 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 95 (3.5 per 100,000)
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Supervisor/proprietor, sales : 1983-1989: 662 (2.8 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 372 (3.3 per 100,000)
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Supervisor, police and detective : 1983-1989: 12 (2.2 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 0 ( § )
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Barber : 1983-1989: 14 (2.2 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 4 ( § )
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Bartender : 1983-1989: 49 (2.1 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 20 (2.3 per 100,000)
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Correctional institution officer : 1983-1989: 19 (1.5 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 3 ( § )
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Salesperson, motor vehicle and boat : 1983-1989: 21 (1.1 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 17 (2.0 per 100,000)
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Salesperson, other commodities : 1983-1989: 98 (1.0 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 73 (1.7 per 100,000)
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Sales counter clerk : 1983-1989: 13 (1.2 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 18 (3.1 per 100,000)
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Fire fighter : 1983-1989: 18 (1.4 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 8 (1.3 per 100,000)
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Logging occupation : 1983-1989: 4 ( § ). 1990-1992: 6 (2.3 per 100,000)
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Butcher/meatcutter : 1983-1989: 11 (0.6 per 100,000). 1990-1992: 12 (1.5 per 100,000)
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I had to change the format of the tables a bit, because I can never get anything aligned correctly with this site's software. The tables from the original source are much easier to read.

Be aware that murder rates decreased through the 1990s, so the actual numbers and rates have changed. I have no idea if the rankings are currently similar or not.

Steve in PA
November 15, 2003, 07:31 PM
Of the 56 LEOs feloniously killed in 2002......

4 were slain with their own weapon.....

52 were killed with other weapon.

Langenator
November 16, 2003, 03:01 PM
Foghornl-How many were killed by "EEEEVIL Assault Weapons" ? ? ? ?

Well, if you look at the 11 of the 56 that were killed by rifles (I'm only looking for assault/battle rifles, since 'assault weapon' is not defined by the DoD or by Jane's, two organizations that should know a thing or two about firearms), broken down by caliber for 2001:

.22-1
.223-1
.30-2 I'm not sure which '.30 Cal this is-.30 carbine? .30-30? .300WSM?
.30-06-1
7.62x39mm-6

Now, unless someone out there got themselves a surplus BAR. the .223 and the 7.62x39 are the only ones used in assault/battle rifles, for a total of 7 officers killed by EBRs.

This exactly matches the number of officers killed by motor vehicles. But the Bradys aren't getting worked up about cars. And cars could actually be legally banned, since there is nothing that says "The ability to live in the suburbs, being necessary to the pursuit of happiness, the right to keep and drive cars shall not be infringed."

Of course, I can't tell from the UCR how many of those handguns were evil things like TEC-9s or WonderNines with high-cap mags. But when VPC says "1 in 5 officers killed by guns were killed by assault weapons," and 11 of 56 were killed by rifles, I get the feeling they're just talking about rifles.

Langenator
November 28, 2003, 10:29 PM
I've been trying to do some more research on this...does anyone know where I can find data on the actual types of firearms used in homicides?

Does the FBI intentionally ignore this stat? If you read through the summaries on the deaths of the officer, the descriptions are always something like "9mm semiautomatic handgun." But they don't list what type...do they do this deliberately, so the statistics are more maleable for whatever the political fad is?

Skyviking
November 28, 2003, 11:15 PM
"How many of those are legitimate and how many are innocent persons defending themselves from overzealous LEOs?"

Sounds like a Rodney King fan, or a "Ultra Right-Wing Death Squad Conspiracy" believer.

While there have been isolated cases of police abuses, they are statistically irrelevant when compared to the actual number of publc/police encounters of all types. The irrelevancy depends, of course, on whether or not you are part of that statistical group.

I'd like to hear how/why you think there are a lot of innocent persons being victimized by overzealous LEOs.

Dave R
November 28, 2003, 11:21 PM
I woulda captioned this "Police slayings DOWN 21% in 2002".

Dog
November 28, 2003, 11:53 PM
How many LEO where killed off duty because they couldn't/can't CCW?

How many non LEO where killed because they couldn't/can't CCW?

TheOtherOne
November 29, 2003, 10:16 AM
If the antis are really so hot about smart guns they'll want the police to have them before the rest of us, I'm sure.Oh, absolutely. They are ONLY concerned about safety. No way there will be a LEO exemption for smart guns because everyone knows that antis like the brady's have no ulterior motives. :D

TheeBadOne
November 29, 2003, 10:21 AM
How many LEO where killed off duty because they couldn't/can't CCW?
They only track "Line of Duty Deaths".

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