LCP is larger than I'd thought.


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MCgunner
January 10, 2010, 09:01 PM
I'd only seen 'em in the shops, not really messed with 'em much. Buddy came down from Waco for a goose hunt and he has a new LCP. I've been interested in getting one, or a new Taurus TCP, and as we were lookin' it over and chatting, I went and got my old Grendel to compare to it for size. Now, I don't carry or shoot this Grendel a lot. It is a P12, 11 shot double stack magazines, DAO, similar to the P11. It's a blow back. It has off hand paper plate at 25 yards accuracy and is 100 percent reliable and I have carried it off and on over the years when I wanted to be real discrete and dress required. It's not one of my faves, but it has filled the niche.

Well, laying the LCP over the top of the Grendel, I was amazed. Just lookin' at one and going and looking at the other, the LCP would seem to be a lot smaller. BUT, it's the exact same length and height. The only difference is, the Grendel being a double stack, it's 1" wide, considerably wider than the LCP. But, you have 12 rounds as the trade off. It's a few ounces heavier at 12 ounces unloaded, not exactly a cinder block in the pocket by any means.

The Grendel's trigger is pretty sucky, but I've adapted and shoot it okay. I do like the wider grip in my hands, much more comfy and, though I haven't shot the LCP, the Grendel's recoil is quite mild. I'd THINK it might be a bit easier on the hand being wider in the palm of the hand. I also prefer its heal clip mag release for a pure pocket gun, near impossible to release the mag accidentally even by sitting on it in a back pocket.

I'm now thinkin' maybe I don't really NEED one of the new gen .380s. I don't know, I'm still tempted, but there might be something else I'd feel better spending 300 bucks on. I really don't have any wants right now, just sayin'. I'd THOUGHT I wanted a new .380, but......... :banghead:

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VA27
January 10, 2010, 10:30 PM
Yeah, the Grendel was way ahead of its time. When it first came out it was in a class by itself. Lighter than the AMT BackUp and safe to carry with one in the chamber. Another one I wish I'd kept.

ttheel
January 10, 2010, 11:55 PM
the thickness you mentioned makes a huge difference in the pocket. That is pretty much why I bought an LCP instead of a Kahr PM9....well that and the added 5 ounces. It made a huge difference in my pocket at least.

MCgunner
January 11, 2010, 07:36 AM
Yeah, the gun is thicker, but I haven't worn spandex since the disco days. LOL I'm still waffling on whether to get an LCP or TCP. I was just shocked that they weren't any shorter compared to the Grendel. I knew they were skinny. 12 rounds capacity is a pretty good trade off, though, in my mind, for a little thicker gun, especially in a marginal caliber like .380, I mean, if you can hide it.

MachIVshooter
January 11, 2010, 09:22 AM
MC:

Check out the Diamondback .380 (http://www.diamondbackfirearms.com/). Same size and weight as the P3AT, LCP, but with better ergonomics. They only sell for about $50 more.

Speedo66
January 11, 2010, 11:09 AM
MC:

Check out the Diamondback .380 (http://www.diamondbackfirearms.com/). Same size and weight as the P3AT, LCP, but with better ergonomics. They only sell for about $50 more.

It's thinner than the LCP, which is amazing.

However, the company is fairly new and as with any new start up, the question is will they stay in business?

I wouldn't want to be left holding a gun with no parts or service if they don't make it.

NMGonzo
January 11, 2010, 11:45 AM
Would it kill ruger to make a new version of the colt mustang?

C'mon!

MCgunner
January 11, 2010, 02:09 PM
However, the company is fairly new and as with any new start up, the question is will they stay in business?

I wouldn't want to be left holding a gun with no parts or service if they don't make it.

Yeah, kinda like as if you'd bought a Grendel P12 20 years ago? :D LOL

W L Johnson
January 11, 2010, 02:12 PM
It's thinner than the LCP, which is amazing.

However, the company is fairly new and as with any new start up, the question is will they stay in business?

I wouldn't want to be left holding a gun with no parts or service if they don't make it.

My thoughts too, I held one just a week ago but passed on it to wait until the bugs get worked out. It really felt good in the hand.

hammerklavier
January 11, 2010, 03:07 PM
Re: the diamondback

is it reliable? I've not been able to find any reports of failures in the LCP other than a few rounds ftf during the break-in process. If I could be convinced that the db was equally reliable then I'd get one over the LCP.

Warhawk83
January 11, 2010, 03:10 PM
I have one,not as small as I thought either, but I still can't find ammo...

W L Johnson
January 11, 2010, 04:32 PM
but I still can't find ammo...
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productnumber=283576

LATER EDIT: Well, it was in stock.

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