Looking for a new fullsize steel pistol


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Magic_Man
January 10, 2010, 09:03 PM
I have enough polymer framed semi-auto pistols. I also have a RIA 1911, but I'm looking for a non-polymer fullsize (4" or 5" barrel) in 9mm or .40 S&W. Must be SA.

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NinjaFeint
January 10, 2010, 09:05 PM
I would recommend a CZ-75 single action. The single action only model is one of the best values and a damn good pistol.

http://czcustom.com/CZ-75B-SA-PolyCoat-9mm.aspx

jad0110
January 10, 2010, 09:13 PM
In addition to the CZ-75, you might also consider the Browning Hi Power in 9 or 40.

I would recommend a CZ-75 single action. The single action only model is one of the best values and a damn good pistol.

I personally don't care for DA/SA guns, but correct me if I'm wrong, I thought the CZ-75 DA/SA version could be carried "clocked and locked", much like a 1911? In effect, this would basically make it SA with the option of DA/SA carry.

stash
January 10, 2010, 09:16 PM
I second the CZ 75, BUT if you can check it out before buying it "I wish I did" that would be good. My 75 SS had some cosmetic issues and is in the shop :-(

Stash

NinjaFeint
January 10, 2010, 09:20 PM
In addition to the CZ-75, you might also consider the Browning Hi Power in 9 or 40.



I personally don't care for DA/SA guns, but correct me if I'm wrong, I thought the CZ-75 DA/SA version could be carried "clocked and locked", much like a 1911? In effect, this would basically make it SA with the option of DA/SA carry.
Different trigger mechanism. If you want a pure SA trigger, skip the DA/SA model as the SA has a long take up on that model.

Big Bill
January 10, 2010, 09:23 PM
Buy a SA/DA Ruger P89.

Philo_Beddoe
January 10, 2010, 09:28 PM
Must be SA.

That pretty much narrows it to a CZ-75 SA, BHP, or 1911.

Magic_Man
January 10, 2010, 09:38 PM
I had a DA/SA CZ-75B & sold it b/c of the trigger pull in DA.

How does the trigger pull on a SA only CZ-75B compare to the pull on a DA CZ-75B?

rellascout
January 10, 2010, 09:39 PM
BHP Search over!

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/BHP.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/BHP2.jpg

mm6mm6
January 10, 2010, 10:23 PM
removed

Magic_Man
January 10, 2010, 10:46 PM
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mm6mm6
January 11, 2010, 08:44 AM
Very sorry I spent all my time including the photos and the links I posted. I'll remove them since your rather curt reply has reprimanded me for offering up an option when I did not know your budget in advance. Sorry to have inconvenienced you.

lentuk
January 11, 2010, 08:55 AM
I bought my first Browning Hi Power this year, a MK III.
I have 1911s and glocks.
I can not explain it but it is just the nicest pistol I have ever handled.
I absolutely can not put it down or stop shooting it, it feels perfect in my hand and shoots extremely well for a stock pistol.
Do yourself a favor and at least handle one.

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 09:33 AM
Not looking to spend almost $600
Get something used then...Hard to find a full sized steel single action pistol NIB for less than $500 which after taxes/shipping creeps to "almost $600".

Philo_Beddoe
January 11, 2010, 11:06 AM
How does the trigger pull on a SA only CZ-75B compare to the pull on a DA CZ-75B?

Much less take up, more crisp.

I would say its about 40% better.

Philo_Beddoe
January 11, 2010, 11:08 AM
Not looking to spend almost $600

Then you can forget a new Hi-power, the go for $800

A new cz should run you between $500-600.

You best bet is to find a used gun then.

rellascout
January 11, 2010, 11:17 AM
Much less take up, more crisp.

I would say its about 40% better.

Care to talk about the trigger camming? All stock 75B CZs in SA have this problem. When the hammer is cocked in SA mode, the hammer will LIFT or move as the trigger is pulled. The only way to get rid of it is a trigger job by a good smith who knows CZs. Trigger jobs on DA/SA CZs are very difficult to do correctly.

It is not a deal killer but it is there. Funny how you complete ignore this fact which effects every CZ except newer models like the P07, yet point out issues that may or may not come into play on a BHP.

gglass
January 11, 2010, 11:30 AM
Browning Hi Power

cjl8651
January 11, 2010, 11:30 AM
SIG P220 Single Action?

rellascout
January 11, 2010, 11:33 AM
SIG P220 Single Action?

He is looking for a 9mm or 40 S&W. P220 is 45 ACP

There are SA only like the X5 Tactical but they all have a aluminum frame and a price tag of about $1400+

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/XFIVE-TACT-detail-L.jpg

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 11:33 AM
oops

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 11:34 AM
Care to talk about the trigger camming? All stock 75B CZs in SA have this problem. When the hammer is cocked in SA mode, the hammer will LIFT or move as the trigger is pulled. The only way to get rid of it is a trigger job by a good smith who knows CZs. Trigger jobs on DA/SA CZs are very difficult to do correctly.

It is not a deal killer but it is there. Funny how you complete ignore this fact which effects every CZ except newer models like the P07, yet point out issues that may or may not come into play on a BHP.
He was talking about the SA only model. You seem to be referring to the DA/SA model.

rellascout
January 11, 2010, 11:35 AM
He was talking about the SA only model.

Where you replying to me? If so the CZ 75B SA only gun also displays camming. It is inherent to the design. :what:

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 11:42 AM
"Where you replying to me? If so the CZ 75B SA only gun also displays camming. It is inherent to the design. "

I am replying to you in this thread :evil: Hope that helps with your question. The SA model has a different trigger mechanism. I do realize half of the reason for your post was because someone pointed out flaws in the BHP.

rellascout
January 11, 2010, 11:44 AM
No my point is to talk about guns. My ego is not intertwined with the pistols I own or don't own. They are simply tools. Do you believe that the CZ 75 SA only does not suffer from camming?

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 11:48 AM
In my experience it does not suffer nearly the amount that the DA/SA does. Have you ever shot the SA only model?

rellascout
January 11, 2010, 11:51 AM
Yup i have... You are correct that they suffer less but they still suffer from it and the only way to get rid of it is to have a trigger job done by someone like Angus.

http://czcustom.com/index.aspx

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 11:53 AM
Yup i have... You are correct that they suffer less but they still suffer from it and the only way to get rid of it is to have a trigger job done by someone like Angus.

http://czcustom.com/index.aspx
The link I provider for the pistol in the thread was from CZ Custom.:) I just think its the best option in his price range. If he can find one used it would even leave some financial room for custom work.

rellascout
January 11, 2010, 11:57 AM
I agree with that. They are a good gun if they fit your hand. They do not fit mine. The same thing can be said about the BHP if you are buying used. I have owned 5 or 7 BHPs in the past 4 years. I have never paid more then $600 for one before. And that was a gun which had been fully customized by Don at action works.

Again like I stated in another thread.

This gun was completely customized for less than $1100 including the cost of the base gun.

The work included novak nights, C&S hammer, sear, commander hammer, Wide trigger, extended slide, spegel grips and trigger job by a master gun smith.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/BHP2.jpg

Magic_Man
January 11, 2010, 12:02 PM
I have no problems buying used.

rellascout
January 11, 2010, 12:10 PM
I have no problems buying used.

Go to the shop and put them in your hand. Pull some triggers. You can find BHPs for less than $600 all the time if you are patient.

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 12:20 PM
Go to the shop and put them in your hand. Pull some triggers. You can find BHPs for less than $600 all the time if you are patient.
Do this with a crap ton of guns. Hold ones that you don't want due to trigger action too. You will be surprised what you really like as opposed to what you thought you wanted.

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 12:21 PM
I agree with that. They are a good gun if they fit your hand. They do not fit mine. The same thing can be said about the BHP if you are buying used. I have owned 5 or 7 BHPs in the past 4 years. I have never paid more then $600 for one before. And that was a gun which had been fully customized by Don at action works.

Again like I stated in another thread.

This gun was completely customized for less than $1100 including the cost of the base gun.

The work included novak nights, C&S hammer, sear, commander hammer, Wide trigger, extended slide, spegel grips and trigger job by a master gun smith.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/BHP2.jpg
Nice gun...I agree with the if it fits your hand part.

Philo_Beddoe
January 11, 2010, 12:53 PM
Care to talk about the trigger camming?

Sure, my cz 75b SA came with a trigger job from the cz custom shop and has no trigger camming.

The same thing with my cz 75 omega.

Care to talk about the stock BHP with mag safety trigger?

Philo_Beddoe
January 11, 2010, 12:56 PM
You can find BHPs for less than $600 all the time if you are patient.

You can find CZ 75's and its clones for less then $400 all the time.

I have nothing agains the HP, I just the CZ 75 is more refined and a better value.

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 01:30 PM
You can find CZ 75's and its clones for less then $400 all the time.

I have nothing agains the HP, I just the CZ 75 is more refined and a better value.
Oh boy, I am going to get some popcorn.

Philo_Beddoe
January 11, 2010, 01:50 PM
Oh boy, I am going to get some popcorn.

I am not trying to be controversial.

But I was limited to $900 dollars total spending to buy a NEW steel framed 9mm.

I could have a new BHP complete with hammer bite.

Or a CZ75bSA from the custom shop with better custom trigger, extend mag release, and better fiber optic target sights for the same amount of money.

JMO.

Or even pick EEA witness limited

Designed specifically for sport shooters competing in the IPSC limited class ,the Witness Elite "Limited" is one of the finest pistols ever produced by Tanfoglio. For nearly 20 years, the "Limited" has been the pistol of choice for many top shooters around the world. The current configuration "Limited" is the result of input and experience from "Team Tanfoglio", as well as shooters from around the globe. The "Limited" was also designed as an "open the box and shoot" pistol, providing all of the special features you need for that winning edge. Custom features include full length dust cover frame which is drilled and tapped for an optic mount, square trigger guard, single action trigger with over travel stop, checkered front and back strap, extended beavertail, funneled magazine well for speed reloading, custom shop safety, custom shop magazine release, hart hammer, interchangeable front sights, adjustable rear sight, polygonal rifled match grade barrel, checkered wood grips, and brushed chrome finish.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/198/products_id/60763

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 02:14 PM
I am not trying to be controversial.

But I was limited to $900 dollars total spending to buy a NEW steel framed 9mm.

I could have a new BHP complete with hammer bite.

Or a CZ75bSA from the custom shop with better custom trigger, extend mag release, and better fiber optic target sights for the same amount of money.

JMO.

Or even pick EEA witness limited

Designed specifically for sport shooters competing in the IPSC limited class ,the Witness Elite "Limited" is one of the finest pistols ever produced by Tanfoglio. For nearly 20 years, the "Limited" has been the pistol of choice for many top shooters around the world. The current configuration "Limited" is the result of input and experience from "Team Tanfoglio", as well as shooters from around the globe. The "Limited" was also designed as an "open the box and shoot" pistol, providing all of the special features you need for that winning edge. Custom features include full length dust cover frame which is drilled and tapped for an optic mount, square trigger guard, single action trigger with over travel stop, checkered front and back strap, extended beavertail, funneled magazine well for speed reloading, custom shop safety, custom shop magazine release, hart hammer, interchangeable front sights, adjustable rear sight, polygonal rifled match grade barrel, checkered wood grips, and brushed chrome finish.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/198/products_id/60763
Or the EAA Witness Match for 500ish. That said, saying it is more refined than a BHP is going to rile folks up.

EdLaver
January 11, 2010, 02:25 PM
Kinda shocked nobody mentioned a Beretta 92FS...

Magic_Man
January 11, 2010, 02:27 PM
92FS is too big for my hands

rellascout
January 11, 2010, 02:39 PM
What are you going to use the gun for? Carry? Defense? Range only? Gun games?

Magic_Man
January 11, 2010, 03:41 PM
Range toy

rellascout
January 11, 2010, 03:52 PM
If you are looking for a range only toy look at the Witness. They are big in the hand IMHO and would not carry on but as a range toy they are pretty slick and are cheap compared to other SA only guns.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/198/products_id/54976

NinjaFeint
January 11, 2010, 03:56 PM
If you are looking for a range only toy look at the Witness. They are big in the hand IMHO and would not carry on but as a range toy they are pretty slick and are cheap compared to other SA only guns.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/198/products_id/54976
I handled one of those and they are ginormous. Awesome gun for the range though.

Philo_Beddoe
January 11, 2010, 04:12 PM
If you are looking for a range only toy look at the Witness. They are big in the hand IMHO and would not carry on but as a range toy they are pretty slick and are cheap compared to other SA only guns.

Do you feel that they offer an advantage over a CZ 75b SA? They are similar in price.

The only concern I have about the EAA line is EAA rep for customer service should something go wrong.

CZ is good on customer service.

rellascout
January 11, 2010, 04:19 PM
The EEA triggers I have tried on the Elite Match pistols are very good. I did not notice camming the way I feel on most CZs. I think that they are somewhat underrated in the market place. Lots of people who have taken the plunge swear by them.

I agree. EEA does not have a stellar rep when it comes to customer service but I have not heard too many people sending them back in but they do not have a big market presence.

Again it would not be my first choice but for a range toy it might fit the bill. I don't own one and I am not lining up to get one but it seems to fit the criteria.

bb21
January 11, 2010, 04:30 PM
I have a SA Magnum Research (IMI) Baby Eagle in 9mm, a CZ-75 clone it is a fun gun, I am always surprised how fast, smooth and accurate it is especially after shooting .40 and .45. You may be able to find a used one (SA) for a fair price, but the newer ones are usually DA/SA. The CZ-75 is hard to beat, for price and performance.

Philo_Beddoe
January 11, 2010, 04:38 PM
The EEA triggers I have tried on the Elite Match pistols are very good. I did not notice camming the way I feel on most CZs. I think that they are somewhat underrated in the market place

I have heard this to, I was just scared off by EAA customer service rep, preference for black/blued guns.

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