S&w 469,669,6904,6906


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ATBackPackin
January 12, 2010, 09:22 AM
I am in the process of looking for a carry gun and would like to hear some opinions about the Smith & Wesson's 449, 469, 6904, and 6906. I am sure there are some LEO's that have used these in the past and would love to hear your thoughts about them. I know the 4 is blue and the 6 is stainless, but what is difference between the 449 (2nd generation?) and the 6904 (3rd generation?)? These seem like great little guns, so why on earth did they stop producing these?

Thanks,

Shawn

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19-3Ben
January 12, 2010, 09:36 AM
To the best of my knowledge, the 3rd gen pistols are more reliable with hollow-point ammo.
I don't know what they did to make them more reliable, but they have quite the reputation for being some of the most accurate semi-autos ever made.

ATBackPackin
January 12, 2010, 09:41 AM
To the best of my knowledge, the 3rd gen pistols are more reliable with hollow-point ammo.
I don't know what they did to make them more reliable, but they have quite the reputation for being some of the most accurate semi-autos ever made.

The 6904 and 6906 ARE the 3rd generation?

dogrunner
January 12, 2010, 10:34 AM
I was gifted with a 469 upon a promotion that was apparently the very first one available in my area......carried that gun for years without a hitch....and still have it to this day. It has never failed to feed, chamber or fire anything it was fed. An excellent defensive piece that I did, and would continue to stake my life on. That gun has never required the replacement of a single part even after thousands of rounds of mostly plus p ammo.

I know it's not politically correct to suggest, but the design of the '69 series lends them to easily being carried 'mexican'. The larger grip frame rides well at belt level and the length/width factor is sufficient to make that method far more secure than thinner framed autos.

As to just 'why' the design series went away I'd strongly suspect had a lot to do with the age of 'plastic'......Glocks, the Sigma series, et al, ad nauseum became the fad of the time and that trend continues.........Truly, there is a LOT to recommend that Smith design and you'd be well served with any of those series.

19-3Ben
January 12, 2010, 10:42 AM
The 6904 and 6906 ARE the 3rd generation?


3 digits =second gen.
4 digits = 3rd gen.

isp2605
January 12, 2010, 11:12 AM
I was issued both the 469 and the 6904 for duty carry in plain clothes. I bought the 6904 when we transitioned to another gun and still carry it quite a bit.
Not a lot of difference between the 2. The grips are the most visible change. The 469/669 use a 2 piece grip with a solid backstrap. The 6904/6906 use a 1 piece wrap around grip.
Nothing wrong with either of the guns. Not a lot of difference but individual preference on which feels better in your hand.

BHP FAN
January 12, 2010, 11:36 AM
I liked the 469 ...those lil' dudes would feed a red common house brick if you could get it in the magazine!

PX15
January 12, 2010, 12:32 PM
FWIW:

IF you can stand a double-stack pistol then the 3rd Gen Smith 6906 is, in my opinion, a very, very good choice.

Absolutely reliable, more than self defense accurate.. Using the higher capacity 15rd mags of the all steel 5906 you get more capacity, and the longer mag fits, functions, feels,and LOOKS factory when used with the S&W +2 grip extender.

I bought this 6906 last year NIB from CDNN for $399.99, with one mag and a lifetime warranty..

Best Wishes,

Jesse

P.S.

The photos below show the 6906 w/the factory 13rd standard fingertip mag, and then the 6906 with the 5906 15rd mag.

I actually prefer the "feel" of the 6906 with the 15rd 5906 mag over that of the standard 6906 13rd mag.:)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_9940.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_9936_01.jpg

ATBackPackin
January 12, 2010, 03:23 PM
Wow, so in other words, they are horrific.:D

Does anybody know the width of the grip?

With Smith & Wesson is the lifetime guarantee for the original owner or for the life of the gun?

Thanks guys, I really appreciate all of your help.

Shawn

PX15
January 12, 2010, 04:31 PM
ADBP:

Just guessing, but I'd say the Lifetime warranty would only be good to the original purchaser..

The only manufacturer that I'm AWARE of that offers a "forever", no questions asked to owners of their firearms, new or used, original owner or number 45 is HiPoint.. :)

I WOULD guess that if you bought a S&W firearm used and something related to a factory defect caused it to quit functioning properly you would have a case for getting it fixed free with S&W Customer Service.

Several years ago I bought a "like new" (but NOT new) Colt Detective Special. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, from the inside, with it, and having 2 other D frame Colts (Cobras) to compare it with, plus several J frame Smiths it was obvious the DS was somehow out of whack.

I called Colt CS and they said to send it in and they'd evaluate it and let me know how much it would cost to fix it.

I paid for shipping TO Colt, but when the little DS came back the shipping was prepaid, and there was no charge for the repairs. Turns out it was "out of timing" or something, and they fixed it, PLUS smoothed out the da trigger pull, as a "customer service"..

I think Smith would do the same with a firearm, even used, that had a problem that could be traced to a defect from the factory when new.

IMO Smith & Wesson has one of the best Customer Relations Departments in the firearms business.

FWIW, 3rd Gen Smiths are built quite well, and I don't think you'll ever have a problem with it unless you somehow abuse it.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

19-3Ben
January 12, 2010, 04:34 PM
I had to send something back to Remington and they never even asked if I was the original owner or not.

I would be surprised if S&W wasn't also a "no questions asked" sorta deal.

AJChenMPH
January 12, 2010, 05:35 PM
I just picked up a police trade-in 6906 recently, and am still learning how to shoot it...I've only put three mags' worth of rounds through it so far, and I'm a little all over the place, but it was more for reliability testing than for accuracy.

FWIW, I know an FBI agent that still carries a 6906, he's been around long enough that he was "grandfathered" to carry one. He hates shooting the Glocks they now issue, and plans to retire before they force him to carry a Glock.

ATBackPackin
January 12, 2010, 05:42 PM
I have heard that S&W's CS is very good and I do not abuse my tools, so I agree that there shouldn't be a problem.

PX, your 6906 looks NIB. I don't know if you can't tell from the photo or not, but it doesn't look like it has a scratch. Looks like you got a fine deal. Can you guesstimate how wide the grip is?

AJ, Well hello neighbor. Do you mind if I ask where you got it, the condition, and how much you paid for yours? The 6906 looks like nearly the perfect ccw.

Thanks again gentlemen, I truly appreciate it and I believe as soon as I can find the right 6904 or 6906 I will be the proud owner of a S&W firearm.

Shawn

roaddog28
January 12, 2010, 08:44 PM
I wish I could find a 5906 in California. Fine pistol. Enough said.

roaddog28

isp2605
January 12, 2010, 09:00 PM
an you guesstimate how wide the grip is?

My 6904 measures 1.25"

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/ispcapt/guns/6904B.jpg

ATBackPackin
January 12, 2010, 09:15 PM
I wish I could find a 5906 in California. Fine pistol. Enough said.

Type 5906 into their search and they have quite a few. http://www.gunsamerica.com Oops, I didn't catch the Kali part. My bad.

My 6904 measures 1.25"

Thanks Isp

Shawn

AJChenMPH
January 12, 2010, 09:29 PM
AJ, Well hello neighbor. Do you mind if I ask where you got it, the condition, and how much you paid for yours? The 6906 looks like nearly the perfect ccw.
Oops, sorry -- didn't even pick up that you were just down the pike a ways.

I got mine from Classic Pistol for $399 with one extra mag, plus tax and paperwork fees. Alas, I got the last 6906. :D But they did still have a 669, as well as a few good 5906s.

The 6906 as the perfect CCW? That would depend on what you're looking for -- a lot of people like the 3913 better as it's slimmer through the grip since it's a single stack, so it's easier to conceal. I have a Taurus 709, so that's my deep-conceal pistol. But I prefer the grip width of the 6906, not to mention that it holds more rounds, so I plan to carry that more than the 709.

For comparison:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ajchenmph/Personal/pix792530953.jpg
3953 (which is the DAO version of the 3913)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ajchenmph/Personal/pix886130703.jpg
6906

Ala Dan
January 12, 2010, 09:30 PM
Another vote for the S&W 6906~! :cool: ;)

carbuncle
January 13, 2010, 01:02 AM
I sold a 1st generation Sigma to a friend of mine, he's sent it back twice for warranty repair with no problems (and I had bought the gun used). I think S&W supports their products pretty well.

sidheshooter
January 13, 2010, 03:49 AM
Just for kicks, I shot the last class i took with my ancient "LEO-trade" 469. Still a great little 9mm.

Third gen is very similar; some say a better trigger, the above mentioned grip difference and no screw on the decocker. Oh, and the sights are novaks on the 3rd gen vs. old-school fixed on the 2nd gen.

no matter, mine hits what it's aimed at...
;)

If you find a clean one cheap, you'll not likely be dissapointed, IMHO.

Still easy to get springs and mags, too. Holsters (especially the modern kydex makers) can be a bit harder to ferret out though.

The Lone Haranguer
January 13, 2010, 07:54 AM
The 6906 is an inconsistency in S&W's model numbering system. The "06" on other models represents all stainless steel (both slide and frame), but the 6906's slide is stainless and the frame aluminum alloy. A trivial matter, really, but it might prevent confusion.

AJChenMPH
January 13, 2010, 02:46 PM
Using the higher capacity 15rd mags of the all steel 5906 you get more capacity, and the longer mag fits, functions, feels,and LOOKS factory when used with the S&W +2 grip extender.
Anyone know where I can find just the grip extender? Used 15-round mags with the grip extender on GB seem to be going for about $40 each, whereas brand-new Mec-Gar 15-round mags without the grip extenders seem to run about $23 each...

ATBackPackin
January 13, 2010, 03:07 PM
AJ, I have no idea. Sorry.


I just called Classic Pistol and they said they still have the 669. He told me though that it was DAO. Is that true? Every thing I have read has said they are DA. Have I been mislead or is he mistaken???

669 DA or DAO???

Thanks.

Shawn

Lawnguy
January 13, 2010, 07:12 PM
I had a 5906 and loved it. Would really like to have it back!!!

The Lone Haranguer
January 13, 2010, 07:44 PM
669 DA or DAO???

To the best of my knowledge, the DAO action was not introduced until the third generation. It will be easy enough to tell - a DA will have safety lever(s), a DAO will not.

jaysouth
January 13, 2010, 09:51 PM
The Smith factory warranty is good for the life of the pistol, not just the first or any subsequent owner.

If you have a smith that does not work exactly as you would like to, call customer servce and play stupid.

CS: What kind of pistol is it?

me: small and shiney, well kind of small, its bigger than my buddy's thought.

CS: What's wrong with it?

me: feels like it's sick. it won't work right, sometimes. sometimes it will.

CS: Is it an ammo issue?

me: what's that

CS: (with a sigh) we'll send you a shipping label and instructions

me: thank you

When you ship an auto to Smith, do not send a magazine with it. Most of the time, there will be a new factory magazine in it when returned to you. If they have a bad conscience about something, there may be more than one mag.

Model 669 is traditional DA/SA

Always buy the latest version, the 6904/6906. Get the later model with the rounded trigger guard. That will make it easier to fing holsters.

You simply will not live long enough to wear the gun out. I would be suprised is anyone short of Bill Gates could afford enough +P+ ammo to leave measurable wear on the piece.

wnycollector
January 13, 2010, 09:52 PM
would feed a red common house brick if you could get it in the magazine!

A BIG +1 on that:) Every 2nd or 3rd gen S&W pistol I have run across eats all the ammo loaded into their mags. I have been doing a little torture test on my S&W 910 (value line 5904) for the past few months. I'm 850 rounds through my 910 w/o cleaning it...and still ZERO problems!

ev239
January 14, 2010, 03:06 PM
My first Smith auto was a 469. Here's a little writeup I did on it - http://hiddendefense.blogspot.com/2009/01/smith-wesson-469-proven-ccw.html

I really liked it, but had traded it off on a whim. I then found a well used 908 to replace it and have never looked back. The double stacks do have a fairly fat grip that feels good in the hand, but don't conceal nearly as well as the single stacks. You'll notice a distinct difference in trigger pull because the second gens have a half cock notch that you feel as you pull through DA. The third gens don't have that notch. From my understanding S&W still support the third gen guns, but not the second gen ones. I have read of an instance where since they couldn't fix a particular second gen gun they offered a discount on one of their newer M&P's.

AJChenMPH
January 14, 2010, 09:52 PM
Anyone know where I can find just the grip extender? Used 15-round mags with the grip extender on GB seem to be going for about $40 each, whereas brand-new Mec-Gar 15-round mags without the grip extenders seem to run about $23 each...
Wow, Google is your friend:

The grip adapter can be purchased from http://www.precisiongunspecialties.com/ or by contacting the S&W store at 1-800-331-0852 and ordering part #242120000 (around $8 each).

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/107639-2-base-pads-5906-a.html#post1160211

SwampWolf
January 15, 2010, 10:16 PM
I'm a big fan of Smith Third Generation Smiths in general and the 6906 in particular. Before retiring from le, I qualified umpteen times with the little Smith (and that was with agency crappy reloads) with nary a hiccup. As a "civilian", it gets carried a lot as one of my "go to" ccw pistols.

carbuncle
January 22, 2010, 02:15 AM
I have been looking around for a 3rd gen S&W to replace the 5906 that I foolishly sold a decade ago, and last Sunday I found a nice-looking 6906 for a decent price and snapped it up. Put a 100 rounds through it on Monday: wow, talk about rekindling the 3rd gen love. Smooth shooting, good reliability, excellent accuracy. I just got some spare 12-round mags in the mail from KY Imports (fast shipping, I ordered Monday, paid Tuesday and they were in the mailbox today), have a Hogue grip on the way and will shortly be replacing my recoil spring (seems like a good idea on a mid-90s gun) and mag springs with Wolffs. Now to find a holster!

Hotspur
January 22, 2010, 10:18 PM
3 digits =second gen.
4 digits = 3rd gen.
Not always. My Smith 457 is a 3rd gen gun.

Some value line guns are 3 digit but 3rd generation.

GasX
January 23, 2010, 12:04 AM
AJ, I have no idea. Sorry.


I just called Classic Pistol and they said they still have the 669. He told me though that it was DAO. Is that true? Every thing I have read has said they are DA. Have I been mislead or is he mistaken???

669 DA or DAO???

Thanks.

Shawn
The 669 loks like a DAO in that there is no hammer to pull back to make it SA. Still, it is DA/SA - at least the one I looked at today was. I could get it for ~$350 with one mag. That a good deal?

ATBackPackin
January 24, 2010, 01:43 PM
The 669 is DA. It has a bobbed hammer, but it does have a hammer. You can cock it with the slide for SA. I would say that $350 is a good buy as long as it's in good condition. I was one local for $400.

Shawn

AJChenMPH
January 26, 2010, 10:11 PM
Bump back up. Finally got around to taking a pic of my new (used) toy:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/ajchenmph/Personal/IMG_0070.jpg

iafirebuff
January 27, 2010, 05:56 AM
NICE! Have fun and enjoy :)

AJChenMPH
January 27, 2010, 11:22 AM
Alas, need to get it back to the range so I can figure out how to shoot it better. :)

jackstinson
January 27, 2010, 11:40 AM
I have a Smith & Wesson 6946 and love it. The 6946 is the DAO version of the 6906.
It seems to cycle any ammo that I load in the magazine, is accurate, and is a joy to shoot. Mine was a police-trade picked up at a local shop in like-new condition for like $256 a few years ago. If something happened to this one, I'd buy another in a heartbeat.

http://weirdjack.com/guns/SW6946t.jpg

GasX
January 27, 2010, 10:24 PM
The 669 loks like a DAO in that there is no hammer to pull back to make it SA. Still, it is DA/SA - at least the one I looked at today was. I could get it for ~$350 with one mag. That a good deal?I ended up pulling the trigger (figuratively...) on a used 3913 I found at calguns.net. Paid $500 but am getting 5 mags and a neat little portfolio to conceal it in. UPS can't drive fast enough right now... :cuss:

ATBackPackin
January 27, 2010, 11:00 PM
I ended up pulling the trigger (figuratively...) on a used 3913

GasX, I really like the 3913 too. You'll have to let us know how it is after your first range trip with it. Post some pics of your new baby.

UPS can't drive fast enough right now...

A watched pot never boils.:fire:

AJChenMPH
January 28, 2010, 08:00 PM
Quick question for the crew: any thoughts to carrying a 6906 with the safety off? I noticed that the DA pull is very long (so I'm not worried about an AD/ND from the trigger), but I also noticed that flicking the safety off also rotates the hammer block out of the way (so maybe dropping the gun would cause an AD/ND).

I also have a Glock 19 and a Taurus PT-709 that I carry -- just looking to simplify the manual of arms if possible, since there's no manual safety on the G19, and since the trigger on the PT-709 essentially functions like a Glock's, I'm comfortable carrying the PT-709 with the safety off.

OP: did you ever get that 669 from Classic Pistol? :D

isp2605
January 28, 2010, 08:19 PM
I have carried S&W autos everyday both on duty and off for 32 yrs. My dept started issuing them in 1968 and we'd have between 1700 and 2200 guns on the street at any given time. Our training was to carry them with safety off and just use the safety lever for a decocker. Training was that if in a heavily crowded, hostile situation then consider putting the safety on in case of a gun grab.

SwampWolf
January 28, 2010, 08:22 PM
My agency required us to carry the 6906 with the safety in the "off" position. The pistol can be dropped while in the off safe configuration with no fear of an ad.

AJChenMPH
January 28, 2010, 09:08 PM
Awesome, thanks to you both!

carbuncle
January 29, 2010, 02:43 AM
I got my Hogue grips installed tonight, so I snapped a couple of cell pics of my new (to me) 6906:

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/carbunclephoto/6906%20and%20Friends/IMG00172-20100128-2208.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/carbunclephoto/6906%20and%20Friends/IMG00170-20100128-2203.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/carbunclephoto/6906%20and%20Friends/IMG00171-20100128-2204.jpg

steveracer
January 31, 2010, 09:48 PM
Unless I'm in the mountains, and I have the 4566 on, or a Colt Trooper. This is my every-day gun. I changed out the floorplate on a couple of mags for less printing. Looks like this:

Jonno
February 7, 2010, 01:44 PM
I got my Hogue grips installed tonight, so I snapped a couple of cell pics of my new (to me) 6906:

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/carbunclephoto/6906%20and%20Friends/IMG00172-20100128-2208.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/carbunclephoto/6906%20and%20Friends/IMG00170-20100128-2203.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/carbunclephoto/6906%20and%20Friends/IMG00171-20100128-2204.jpg
Carbuncle, I have a 6904 and am interested in the Hogue grips. How do you like them? Do they add to the width of the gun?

AJChenMPH
February 19, 2010, 11:10 AM
Bump back to the top -- anyone know if there's a floorplate for the 6906 that's a little flatter than the OEM curved one?
http://media.midwayusa.com/ProductImages/Medium/746429.jpg
Maybe something like the OEM flat floorplate for a 3913?
http://media.midwayusa.com/ProductImages/Medium/196246.jpg
Or the OEM curved (but less curved than the 6906) floorplate for a 3913?
http://media.midwayusa.com/ProductImages/Medium/112922.jpg
I'm guessing the floorplate for the 5906 isn't an option...just looking for something a little more low profile for concealed carrying. Thanks!

isp2605
February 19, 2010, 11:15 AM
When we were issued the 6904 I made several flat floor plates out of flat steel. Very simple to make using a sabre saw and grinder.

AJChenMPH
February 19, 2010, 12:14 PM
Yeah, but I'm not that talented with power tools. LOL :o

isp2605
February 19, 2010, 02:35 PM
AJChenMPH
Check your PM.

AJChenMPH
February 19, 2010, 03:57 PM
Replied. Thanks much!

Jaxinc
February 20, 2010, 05:55 AM
I'm also curious about the bottom of that magazine, was just about to post that as well.

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