Mtn Lion stalks kids,No Guns Permitted!


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gunsmith
November 13, 2003, 11:50 PM
I just read another article about this. Notice,they never mention
that despite the presence of dangerous predators and Bears looking to fatten up (remember Treadwell?) no citizens may carry a gun in Yosemite!

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/7660632p-8566047c.html




2 Yosemite mountain lions killed
Yosemite National Park biologists killed two mountain lions by injection early Tuesday after the cats behaved aggressively around people, including a group of children, rangers reported.
The lions, an adult and yearling, both females, had been spotted sev- eral times this month in the Curry Village section of Yosemite Valley, a popular recreation spot.
"They had started to habitually be in close proximity to humans and human dwellings, and showed no fear," park spokeswoman Deb Schweizer said.

At one point last week, biologists saw the lions stalking children.

"There was an incident over at Curry Village where there was a group of students in their cabin being kids -- they were making a lot of high-pitched noise," Schweizer said.

According to park biologists, the high-pitched noises are similar to those made by the lions' natural prey.

The lions "heard the kids' voices and moved in. One of them was in a slinking position, moving forward ... and crept within 30 meters (100 feet) of the group," Schweizer said. "That's what made us decide we had to act."

The cats probably came to the Curry Village area to prey on raccoons that had fattened themselves on food scraps left by tourists. Park officials became concerned after visitors reported that the cats showed little fear of humans.

"One of the things we don't know, but speculate, is ... (the yearling's) mother might have been bringing her into Curry Village, where there is pretty easy hunting, to help her hone her hunting skills."

Park employees tried to coerce the cats to leave Curry Village, firing beanbags and rubber bullets, but the cats stayed.

Monday night, biologists set a steel mesh trap, baiting it with the meat of a deer that had been struck and killed by a car. By early Tuesday, both cats had been trapped and put down with injections.

Schweizer stressed that lion incidents in the park are rare.

"There's never been an instance where a mountain lion has attacked a human in modern history" in the park, she said. But, "There was a level of urgency about the level of safety in Curry Village that we simply couldn't ignore."

Bee staff writer Michael Mello can be reached at 578-2235 or mmello@modbee.com.

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Frohickey
November 13, 2003, 11:54 PM
What?

Why fire bean bags, rubber bullets, trapping it with deer meat and finally injection...

Cheaper to have just used a 223 already.

carpettbaggerr
November 14, 2003, 12:18 AM
The cats showed no fear of humans. Wonder why?

Phil Ca
November 14, 2003, 12:57 AM
While it is forbidden to carry a firearm in Yosemite Park (UN Biosphere/Heritage Site) nothing is said about the gangs from Fresno that come up and raise Cain in private campgrounds and church camps. In the past 35+ years I have been visiting the park with our family, I probably have gone there perhaps, only once w/o my personal sidearm. To me a CCW means "concealed". Besides the mountain lion and bear danger, I was always more concerned about the two-legged predator type. Did any of you know that there is a US Magistrate and a court facility as well as a lock-up in Yosemite?

:)

Gordon Fink
November 14, 2003, 02:19 AM
With recent murders and animals that associate humans with food, Yosemite is the only park where I’ve seen armed rangers. My cousin, a deputy sheriff, was planning to bring his sidearm and “extra magazines” for his family’s recent trip. Common citizens are forbidden, of course.

The beanbag rounds are used to “haze” the wildlife, hopefully scaring bears and mountain lions away from the campgrounds. Preferable to killing them just for being animals and because idiot tourists won’t stop feeding them.

~G. Fink

Bob
November 14, 2003, 03:59 AM
Maybe they should have just relocated it to an urban area. Afterall, those are folks who are responsible for it being illegal to manage the lion population.
Bob

Kobun
November 14, 2003, 05:41 AM
And if you see a lion, and try to scare it, I guess you get fined or thrown in jail for "interfering" with the animals life... :rolleyes:

If people see a lion, or other predator that has lost or is loosing its fear for humans, they should throw rocks, yell and scare it to teach it othervise.

In Norway we had the same issue with wolves not long ago.
People were scared of them, even though no one was ever hurt, and there was something like 10 wolves in Scandinavia.
So what happened?
The gov heard the sheeple cry (no, not the real sheep the wolves eat some of), and killed like 5 of them, shooting them with shotguns from a helicopter. :mad:

Wild animals are each year killed for our mistakes all around the world.
You wouldn't see our ancestors feeding dangerous animals unless it was to trap and kill them.

Matt G
November 14, 2003, 06:39 AM
With recent murders and animals that associate humans with food, Yosemite is the only park where I’ve seen armed rangers.Hm. Two of the only three national parks that I can remember going to are Big Bend and Guadalupe Mts, and I observed armed rangers at both of those locations, even though both are visited pretty much by easy-going nature lovers.

And if you see a lion, and try to scare it, I guess you get fined or thrown in jail for "interfering" with the animals life... According to a "ranger talk" that I attended back in the early '90's in Big Bend, NPS policy is to reccomend that tourists yell and throw rocks at lions and bears when they come too close, to make clear to them that people are NOT friendly, NOT a source of food. In TX, that's worked pretty well-- very few lion scares.

Phil and Gordon both make the good point that, as always, the most dangerous predator walks on two legs. Even if you've got a cell phone to attempt to call 911, it's pretty moot when you're in a canyon, 10 miles from the nearest law enforcement.

jhisaac1
November 14, 2003, 03:22 PM
Speaking of not being on top of the food chain anymore...


http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=62451

November 13, 2003
Cougar sighting at Portland's Skyline Elementary


A warning has gone out for parents at a Portland elementary school.
Police say several people have reported seeing a cougar or bobcat pacing the field next to Skyline Elementary in northwest Portland.

Oregon Fish and Wildlife officials and Multnomah county sheriff's deputies are searching for the large cat.

A PTA phone tree will alert parents about the sighting so students aren't dropped off alone at school this morning.

Zeke Menuar
November 14, 2003, 03:47 PM
I grew up in the West Hills of Portland and attended Skyline Elementary School. The school is at the western boundary of the school district and is in a decided rural area. I lived on Springville Road a few miles from the school. There was deer, racoons, skunk and, oh yeah cougar. My friends and I roamed all over the hills and saw plenty of sign but there were no sensational news stories about kids being eaten by big cats. Falling into the creek while chasing frogs and salamanders was probably a much bigger threat. The idiots at KATU are doing the public a huge diservice by fostering paranioa and sensationalism. Skyline School is in the country and in the country there will be wild animals like cougars. A little education about the big cats and how to deal with them would go a helluva alot further than big city paranoia.

Rant over
You will be returned to your regularly scheduled internet forum.

ZM

Cosmoline
November 14, 2003, 04:08 PM
Sadly, the Portland Metro area I grew up in in the '70's is NOT the Portland metro area of today. It's been overrun with **********n scum, who drive up property values and change the political climate. They also turned the West Hills into a mass of McMansions and transformed Eastern Washington County for beautiful farmland to one of the most hideous places on the planet--as bad as LA. I remember walking along Cornell Road in the mid-90's, shortly before I left forever. Traffic was like a freeway's, only on a two lane road. The local stream was brown with runoff from a nearby housing site. And to top it off a huge beaver lay dead on the side of the road. That's Oregon's state symbol, killed by development. Not even harvested for pelt! Indeed, the Oregon immigrants of today would scream at the notion of harvesting beaver pelts. But what they've done is far worse than all the overtrapping of the past.

I've given up on it. The state is lost. And I'm staying in Alaska and running off any nogoodnick immigrants with a rifle :cuss:

Frohickey
November 14, 2003, 06:46 PM
If you run off nogoodnick immigrants with a rifle :cuss:, what do you do to nogoodnick immigrants carrying a rifle? :D
Does carrying a rifle mean you are not a nogoodnick?

QuarterBoreGunner
November 14, 2003, 06:54 PM
Hey Gunsmith? Did you hear about the coyote in Bernal Heights?

Coyote makes S.F. a truly wild town (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/11/14/MNG0V31U7O1.DTL&type=news) via SF Gate/Chronicle

Time to break out the varmit rifles.

Cosmoline
November 14, 2003, 07:01 PM
"Does carrying a rifle mean you are not a nogoodnick?"

Yes. As long as the rifle is not some shiny new scoped Remchester in .458 Win. Mag. which the fellow has never once fired. I cannot abide the sort of fellow who would carry such a rifle.

gunsmith
November 14, 2003, 10:22 PM
thanks:D
I just found out on my way home as I have stopped buying the chron.
I used to live up in Bernal heights and I am not suprised.
I was thinking,maybe we should relocate some coyote to
golden gate park to deal with the feral cat problem

QuarterBoreGunner
November 14, 2003, 10:25 PM
maybe we should relocate some coyote to golden gate park to deal with the feral cat problem

Wow, I like it... that whole 'green' circle of life thing.

And then the cats dissapeared... and then some of the slower homeless...

Highland Ranger
November 14, 2003, 10:35 PM
And why is it important to note that the deer was struck by a car?

annoying . . . .

On a related note, we are having increasing problems with black bears in northwest nj . . . . same story, they are no longer afraid of humans

our fault? I guess, but that's moot. They are a danger to everyone, especially the kids . . . GO BEAR HUNT!

jhisaac1
November 14, 2003, 10:40 PM
Oh yeah, I just remembered. 10ish years ago (+/- a few) they killed a cougar near Highland Middle School in Gresham where I grew up. I practiced little league at HMS. It is smack in the middle of a neighborhood and is definately not rural.

Jason

Stealth101
November 19, 2003, 09:47 PM
Phil Ca....hi I was wondering about your mention of Yosemite being a UN Biosphere.......does this mean that the UN can dictate policy on US soil regarding the use of a firearm, in a National Park for self-defense? My wife and I are in the process of purchasing a pistol for backcountry camping, as there are alot of Lions here, and they are not afraid....
They are not afraid because they are not hunted enough!

Phil Ca
November 19, 2003, 10:52 PM
Yosemite Park is a UN Heritage Site. There is a sign inside the valley on the left side of the entrance to the Visitor Center. I have a photo of it. If I can figure how to post it I will do so sometime.

Do a search for UN Biosphere and Heritage Sites and you will find some interesting info. Some people are proud of these. The young male seasonal employee at Yosemite read it at my request. I asked what it meant to him? He said,"We are being honored?" I had to explain what the word sovereignty means.



:cool:

Stealth101
November 19, 2003, 11:30 PM
Phil Ca
The same sign is up at Rocky Mt National Park.....and I have wondered what the implications are.....a Clinton Legacy, that may mean more than a designation! Are the blue helmets on the move ?.....

George Hill
November 20, 2003, 02:29 AM
My wife and I go armed anytime we go outside at night... We have a Mtn Lion out here to. So far, it only likes housecats and small dogs.

Haven't seen it in about 2 weeks now, maybe it moved on.

We are still on Puma-Yellow Alert.

Phil Ca
November 20, 2003, 02:58 AM
Stealth101.........I have heard of foreign troops in Yellowstone Park. The story is three or more years old but has been fairly consistent in the re-telling. There are various sites on the net with info on sightings of foreign troops. When I last visited the Federal law Enforcement Training Center I saw Russian and Polish officials ot the Center. I asked a firearms instructor about this and he said that he doesn't ask. A former citizen of Cuba who works there gets upset to see all the Com Bloc countries sending officials there.

:(

ceetee
November 20, 2003, 01:30 PM
Interestingly enough, this month's RD has a feature story on the status of cougars in Boulder, CO.

They say the restrictions on game hunting (mostly deer hunting) have led to an extreme overabundance of the game animals the lions like to lunch on... bringing the cougars in to eat the game animals. All the people having dogs, cats, (pet bunnies, what have you) only serves to confuse the cats into thinking everything qualifies as "lunch..."

The story details one girl who narrowly escaped being killed by a pair of cats working as a team (they had her treed, and had drawn blood) and another story of an athletic teen-aged male who was killed. When they found the body, they also found the cat trying to stand guard over her kill... they shot her, (missed with a Beretta, nailed her with an AR-15), they inspected the contents of her stomach and did indeed find human body parts... (How would you like to have that job?)

As of press time, the residents of Boulder are reported as saying, "Big deal. We like our wildlife. If you don't like it, move..."

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