[Badger Arms]

Where can I find a rail that mounts to the bottom of a Glock 21 magazine that I can mount a streamlight M3 on? Not sure if they make them, but I think I have to have one.

[10-Ring]

I don't get it, the mount is on the mag base itself? What do you do if you reload? Do you need multiple mounts? :confused:

[Graystar]

I've seen them for the Streamlight Scorpion. Here's a pic:
http://www.finnrappel.fi/scorpion.htm

These guys have them:
http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product/glock/glockaccessories.htm

I have a Scorpion. Awesome little light. Been thinking of getting one of these. I wish they sold just the baseplate but I guess it's more than that.

[Walt Sherrill]

I'm with 10-ring.

What do you do if you have a jam or simply need to reload? A mag-mounted light seems also to be more "delicate" than it need be -- far more easily knocked off. Wonder how a "clearance " drill works with that device mounted on the mag?

(I'll bet you don't CARRY it with the light mounted, so mounting it may be problematic, too...)

[Badger Arms]

Concept is that I'm getting the light for a shotgun and it moves easilly from gun to gun. I'm also getting a mount for My AR-15. My Glock doesn't have the fancy factory accessory rail.

As for how practical it is? Well, the way I look at it, if you have to shoot somebody 14 times and he is still a threat, you might want to think about retreating! It's a compromise setup at best, but better than no light at all. Besides, the light is STILL on the mag after a tactical reload. Why not just hold it in your weak hand as I've seen Ayoob do in pictures?

[Walt Sherrill]

Using the light in your off hand takes a LOT of practice. It is far harder than it looks. Try it.

If you've got a shotgun and a light mounted, you don't need a light on a handgun. Use the shotgun.

Tactical lights, I would argue, need to be easily and quickly mounted, and need to be very secure. A mag-mounted light seems like a problem waiting to happen. (I've said that without trying them, but some things seem better NOT tried. I do think it would be much easier to dislodge a mag-mounted light, or knock/damage it than one mounted on the frame. Perhaps you can find an after-market mounting system that will let you put a light on your existing gun. (They have such kits for metal framed guns, but I don't know if it can be done with polymer.)

A laser system, perhaps in the guide rod position, might be more practical.

Do you shoot in IDPA, IPSC, or Three Gun? If so, try some of the things you feel can be easily done. I think you'll find the kind of switching and mounting MUCH harder than you think -- especially when you're under stress, pressed for time, or more importantly, AFRAID FOR YOU LIFE!

[Graystar]

A laser system, perhaps in the guide rod position, might be more practical. I think the idea is to illuminate the target, which a laser can't do. Also, the Scorpion, while tiny, will blind the perp momentarily which gives an advantage (I doubt he'll be wearing sunglasses.)

Unfortunately, this magazine-light is only available as a complete 10 round mag. I don't know if the parts will transfer to a pre-ban mag.

Sure, you loose the light after loading a new mag, but by that point you are sure you're shooting at a BG, and not your drunk next-door neighbor that happened to walk into the wrong house.

[Graystar]

I found some at this place:

http://www.jmhuntingsupplies.com/jmsupply_Storefront/asp_storefront/Index.asp?Vendor_Name=QUIK2SEE

Apparently it's called Quik2See, made by Anderson Flashlight Company. Seems to be on closeout for 14 bucks. You get 2 baseplates and one mount. For that price I'm tryin' it. I've seen the same kit at other places for 49 bucks as well.

Can't seem to find anything on Anderson.

[10-Ring]

if you have to shoot somebody 14 times and he is still a threat, you might want to think about retreating!

What if you have multiple targets & it takes you 14 rounds to get to cover? Call a do-over?

I'm just trying to point out there are better alternatives to the ones you've decided on ;)

[MJRW]

Err...What if you get to round 2 and have a magazine failure of some sort? The spare magazine isn't just about extra rounds, it's about extra reliability.

[fastbolt]

Talk about an answer to question nobody's ever asked ... ;)

Seriously, attaching a small light source to the bottom of a pistol magazine is one of those really obtuse tactical solutions that doesn't easily fit into many folk's training practices.

We actually had someone (from another agency) come in to qualify with us, and one of their Glock magazines was equipped with this accessory light attachment base. They carried the light attached to the magazine in the holstered pistol. It was an interesting experience watching the person perform the course. He might not have felt like it affected his shooting, but it certainly appeared that he had to compensate for additional weight and different balance of the weapon when using the specially equipped magazine.

Granted, I didn't ask to shoot the psitol with the attached light, so I can't offer any direct, firsthand evaluation of the it ... it just didn't interest me ... but it appeared as though it required a slightly different attention on the part of the fellow shooting it.

This is a very specialized accessory. Notwithstanding any adverse effect such an attachment MIGHT have upon the magazine, or the functioning of the weapon because of any effect the exta weight may have upon the integrity of the magazine base plate, and the stability of the magazine within the magazine well of the grip frame ... it certainly can introduce some interesting conditions for which many folks don't specifically train.

From practical considerations ... such as adjusting how you sit in a car ... avoiding bumping into things with the light sticking rearward farther ...

To tactical considerations ... such as incorporating activating the light into your presentation (not quite "the same" as frame-mounted light activation) ... "clearing" the weapon, and attached magazine-mounted light, during stressful "close combat" presentation and shooting (does the light clear the holster when the pistol is thrust forward & tilted in the manner some folks use to perform similar skills?) ... how some folks shoot over & around cover, where the light may bang against the cover, depending on the nature of the cover and preferred method of "clearing" the cover ... not to mention that while the user might not "expect" to need to reload with high capacity magazines, in a "statistically normal" situation (:scrutiny: ), ammunition & weapon related malfucntions which require dropping the magazine DO occasionally occur, and this might rob you of your only QUICK light source if you didn't anticpate the problem, and your only other light source is suddenly inconveniently located on your belt. Especially if you begin to unduly "rely" on the magazine affixed light...

I'm not saying it isn't something to be avoided, mind you. I certainly didn't recommend the other fellow using the gimmick .. er, I mean attachment ... stop using it. That's HIS call to make. I'm just saying that it probably realistically requires some additional consideration and training, and I personally don't see the overall benefit for ME. It would be just one more light source in addition to those I already use, and not necessarily as "simple" to adapt to in training.

But then, I'm not really all that interested in weapon-mounted light sources for pistols, anyway ... not for MY "routine" use. I work with a lot of folks that have adopted such lights, though, and the mechanical problems they've experienced with them during realistic training practices notwithstanding (improved products are being developed constantly developed), they've adapted to them easily enough ... and they DO believe the small affixed light sources are useful in their specialized circumstances. Aside from the breakage problems of different units, they've had to make some changes in their training, though ...

It's always something.;)

[Badger Arms]

Just to clarify, I only have one magazine. This is NOT a primary weapon, but it might be something I'd be interested in checking out. Currently, I'm leaning toward buying a spare base and just screwing a rail to it!

[curt]

You can have your 21 frame modified to have a light rail or glock will swap it out for a fee.

In addition to the comments about the problems with clearance drills wouldn't want to have a lever poking out and attached to my baseplate, bang it against something or someone and blooey your ammo is at your feet.

[Badger Arms]

Curt:

WOW... How do I get that done? Can I call Glock and then send it to them?

[curt]

BA, yes. I called them about a year or so ago when i was thinking about upgrading my G21 before having a grip reduction done. As i remember the nice lady told me i could send my frame in with a check (for $150?) and they would send me a new gen frame back. wish i'd done it now as i had the reduction done and like my glock now.

then about 6-8 months back i found a reputable glocksmith ( cant remember the name and did a couple of quick searches w/o coming up with it) that could mold a light rail on the frame using whatever that hard epoxy stuff is that these guys use...still thinking about that one.

[Badger Arms]

Heck, for that money I'll buy a new Glock and sell the old one. Probably come out even in the long run. I'd have to get some night sights too. Maybe instead of night sights, I'll just get the M6 light with the laser built in. Hmmmmm..... Now I'm thinking about that too. Sell my Glock, buy a new one with the rails (and hey, I get a new Glock out of it too!) and then just get the M6 light. Hope the AWB happens because I want a high-capacity 45 that I can buy cheap mags for.

[Andrew Wyatt]

Why don't you buy one of the plastic surefire handhelds to place by your bed along with the pistol (which you should have spare magazines for, by the way) and leave the m3 on your scattergun?