These Debates Over the Best Handgun Are Reaching a Point of Absurdity


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mordechaianiliewicz
January 15, 2010, 08:22 PM
Okay.... so lately I've seen (and commented on several posts) about one gun or another and it's superiority.

It's been so iritating to me, I figured I'd post this.

My favorite brands are Glock and H&K. I've used or owned

Glock 19, 17, 22, 27

Beretta 92FS, Cougar (stoeger built)

Smith & Wesson 5904, 5906, 910, M&P (fullsize and compact)

CZ-75, and the Compact Version

H&K USP 9mm and .40 cal (compact only for the .40 S&W)

Ruger P95, P89, P90, P345, SR9

Springfield Armory XD9, XD40, XD45 (& the 9mm Compact)

Walther P99

1911 (various makers)

What I can tell you is this.... between my shooting of them, and my review of military testing (which is vastly more extensive than anything I've ever been able to afford to do), my favorites are the Glock and the HK. I personally think the HK is better overall. But because the Glock costs about $500 brand new, and the H&K is about $900-$1000 in my neck of the woods (and the Glock is about 97% there), I go with Glock.

That being said, I think the difference is about 10%. And, it's subjective to my preferences. If I liked steel framed pistols more, I might prefer the CZ, or the Smith 5906....

That being said, to me it's silly to have a head to head fight about the upper-end of handguns. They are all good. And the difference between them is so slight (in terms of overall quality), that it's virtually irrelevant.

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fourwedge
January 15, 2010, 08:26 PM
I think it is helpful to hear what some of our honest members think about comparisons between different brands. It is important to when to not listen to someone because they can only see it one way and wouldn't even try a brand because it is" tupperware" or Overpriced" or it's "not a Glock". I rather enjoy some of the banter but obviously some of the opinions are better off being ignored.

BillH
January 15, 2010, 08:27 PM
Well I can sense you're frustration, but it seems you wouldn't be so confused if a Sig had been on your list. I can only imagine it would have been at the top!! :D
( Truly though I envy your experience with all the others.)

SharpsDressedMan
January 15, 2010, 08:30 PM
+1 on the quality of the handguns today. My choices may vary, as yours does, due to personal preference. Some people have bad experience with certain choices, and it turns into bashing, or heralding the replacement. As I stated in the previous thread about which 9mm was the most reliable, it's more important to know your clearing and malfuction drills than to expect that they will NEVER occur with your handgun of choice. PS: A typical, foolish, internet response to "Which 9mm is the most reliable?" is "Get a .40 or .45"; not an answer, and no help at all........................:rolleyes:

SwampWolf
January 15, 2010, 09:26 PM
Okay.... so lately I've seen (and commented on several posts) about one gun or another and it's superiority.

It's been so iritating to me, I figured I'd post this.

You're right-this is really irritating! And absurd too. :rolleyes:

BossHogg
January 15, 2010, 09:34 PM
I know what ya'll say,I love the ones that start out I don't have one but ....

EddieNFL
January 15, 2010, 09:46 PM
A person either contributes to the arguments or ignores the thread. Not sure why he would complain in either case.

And this isn't limited to handguns; pick a product.

LSCurrier
January 15, 2010, 10:01 PM
I didn't see any of the following:

Dan Wesson 1911
Springfield 1911
Ed Brown 1911
Wilson Combat 1911
Les Baer 1911

so I can understand why you don't feel like the perfect handgun has been found.

Perhaps you can try one of these and we can settle this issue once and for all - as a good 1911 is the answer.

Luke

ReadyontheRight
January 15, 2010, 10:30 PM
...my favorites are the Glock and the HK...

So...You obviously have not shot a 1911 often enough.:evil:

But Seriously. I agree. Most of the pistols you mentioned are either "just fine" or "great". It all depends on your need and experience. I like the 1911 for target shooting range work, but the Glock, XD, HK and many others solve some serious, real-world dangers in the 1911 design.

Oh, and I think that apples are much better than oranges.:evil:

BHP FAN
January 15, 2010, 10:47 PM
No Browning Hi-Power? no wonder you are frustrated...poor fellow!

ReloaderFred
January 15, 2010, 11:29 PM
mordechaianiliewicz,

This would have been a better post if you had stopped typing after the second sentence and just left it at that. You inadvertantly started another "my gun is best" thread with the rest of the post.

But that's just my simple observation.

Hope this helps.

Fred

NMGonzo
January 15, 2010, 11:33 PM
No Bersa?

Floppy_D
January 15, 2010, 11:47 PM
This would have been a better post if you had stopped typing after the second sentence and just left it at that.

Good point. :)

CZ223
January 15, 2010, 11:48 PM
Some of us realize that our opinion doesn't count anymore than anyone elses and some don't. I'm like the Tiger Woods of guns, I have one that I love but I like to fool around with lots of others.:neener:

Kingofthehill
January 15, 2010, 11:52 PM
Cute list.

Ive "Used or owned" easily 3x that...and guess what? that doesn't make my OPINION any greater than yours or anyone else here for that matter.

You just basically said HK's are top notch but over priced so Glock wins...

JOe

Samgotit
January 16, 2010, 12:03 AM
I think it is helpful to hear what some of our honest members think about comparisons between different brands.

And here in lies the rub. I bet a full 80% of the people answering those threads own one pistol... Maybe two. And how many of those people have put more than 200 rounds through them, let alone the number of people who have never used their weapons in some kind of practical shooting environment, high round count classes and the like. Because outside of being a ninja operator and reading Super Modern Shotgun and Pistol Tactical Warrior Weekly, where is a person going to real information about his gun?

I'm sure the people answering are 'honest', but it sure would be nice to know what kind of experience is backing up their one-word posts.

jmr40
January 16, 2010, 12:07 AM
Yea, but if it were not for those kinds of threads there would be no point in having internet forums.

walker944
January 16, 2010, 12:21 AM
Yeah, I get tired of all the 'best' threads too, and usually do not participate in them. I think they are a bit juvenile, since 'best' is a very subjective thing, based mostly on opinion. What one person likes, another detests. It's a never ending discussion that has no right or wrong answer. In my opinion, and that's pretty much all any of us have here, it's a pointless, directionless debate.

Hatterasguy
January 16, 2010, 12:39 AM
Its odvious, the best is clearly the 1911.:D

Joshua M.
January 16, 2010, 12:46 AM
Just guessing he hasn't shot a Kimber yet either....love it:D

MachIVshooter
January 16, 2010, 01:44 AM
There are ways to word it that do not offend others or embellish. Some of us who would be insulting our own collections if we were so staunch and used one-word (one brand) responses have figured this out.

The Glock and Ruger crowd seem to be the biggest offenders when it comes to brand loyalty beyond reasonable, almost like it's a religion.

12131
January 16, 2010, 01:57 AM
Enjoy life. Why let these nonsense internet pissing matches get your blood pressure up? I don't get it.

12131
January 16, 2010, 01:58 AM
Btw, Glock and Ruger are really superior.:evil:

wow6599
January 16, 2010, 02:00 AM
I know a guy with a Glock that has over 10,000,000 rds through it and not one failure..........never cleaned it either :D

Look, I have a Ruger GP100 that has made me swear off Ruger completely and a Glock 20 that is having some growing pains (FTFeed beaking it in) and a Kel-Tec P-11 and P-3AT that have been 100% reliable.
Would I take a Colt 1911 over a Hi-Point.....of course, but I wouldn't bet money that the Colt will function any better than the Hi-Point out of the box.

Boats
January 16, 2010, 02:07 AM
It's a rather amusing debate really. I have owned an H&K USP45c, and I have found this lowly Ruger to be a much more fun, accurate, and reliable weapon.

http://www.little-link.com/pics/ae0f6e4976c0619763520563e6ab6c48.jpg

HisSoldier
January 16, 2010, 02:08 AM
the Glock, XD, HK and many others solve some serious, real-world dangers in the 1911 design.


Only for people who refuse to become competent. Many soldiers used a 1911 to save their lives who had only fired one a few times in their lives before needing one in a pinch during WW2.

I keep reading B.S. about how one should practice with tens of thousands of rounds with one before carrying one, what a bunch of silliness. It's really bothersome to know people buy plastic because of misinformation like that. Pull the gun up, swipe the safety off, aim and fire. That's really tough!:rolleyes:

P97
January 16, 2010, 09:21 AM
It all depends on each persons definition of Best, and Best for what? If there were a Best anything, there would only be one Manufacturer making them, because everyone would buy it, and there would be no market for the next best. :)

EddieNFL
January 16, 2010, 09:27 AM
Ive "Used or owned" easily 3x that...and guess what? that doesn't make my OPINION any greater than yours or anyone else here for that matter.

Maybe if your post count was higher? just sayin'...

76shuvlinoff
January 16, 2010, 09:52 AM
It's simple.

Basically we're all in agreement that we value our own opinion over all others.

:evil:

Manco
January 16, 2010, 11:16 AM
It's really bothersome to know people buy plastic because of misinformation like that.

Obviously, usability issues aside, there is also personal bias regarding the materials used, which isn't so different from the situation with calibers, for example. Before I actually went shopping for handguns, trying many at the range along the way, I used to have many biases, but then I learned that there are many different ways to get the job done successfully. Of course, I'm speaking from the perspective of handguns as tools rather than works of art.

EddieNFL
January 16, 2010, 11:30 AM
It's simple.

Basically we're all in agreement that we value our own opinion over all others.

:evil:
Well, yeah!

What's the point of having an opinion if it's wrong? :evil:

My wife says I'm intolerant of other's opinions. But what does she know?

Mike J
January 16, 2010, 11:35 AM
All this arguing about which platform is best must mean that we have several good platrorms available. I tend to believe we are all a little different & should each seek out what works best for us.

gunnie
January 16, 2010, 12:12 PM
obviously the single action revolver is best...

(for those who can't fire a double action revolver accurately in DA mode. why add-on to the training requirements? also, for those who aren't strong enough to cycle the slide on a semi-auto)

obviously, the double action revolver is best...

(for those who don't get enough practice to clear a semi-auto jam quickly, or remember the safety. also for faster reloads than a SA revolver, esp. with speed loaders/full moon clips.)

obviously, the 1911 is best...

(for those who don't like the fat grips required to fit current megazines, or polymer frames, or heavier/longer triggers. and those who want more rounds between reloads that the "standard" 6 shot revolvers offer.)

obviously, the hi-cap offerings are best...

(for those who feel they will practice enough to overcome the trigger characteristics, and feel the steel frame is only heavier and prone to rust. and those who want more rounds than a 1911 offers before a new magazine is required.)

guess i'm NOT SMART ENOUGH to have a one-size-fits-all opinion. i feel all of the above statements are true. {?}

i have owned, still own many of the above platforms. as to which i prefer, what difference does it make to someone else? try out everything you get a chance to fire, and make your own choice!

gunnie

Ohio Gun Guy
January 16, 2010, 12:28 PM
Clearly my guns are best......well 'cause there mine! :evil:

Isaac's Grandpa
January 16, 2010, 12:40 PM
When it comes to auto loaders, I prefer the sea-whiz.:D

Just a little levity.

Fishman777
January 16, 2010, 02:13 PM
I've owned or used fewer handguns. I'm certain that my favorite is the GP100. Beyond that, I'm not really sure that I have a favorite.

Beretta PX4 Storm, 92FS, 90-TWO
Glock G22, G17, G19
Sig 2022, 226, 229
HK USP, P2000, P30
CZ75 B
Ruger SR9, Mark II, GP100, SP101 , Redhawk, Single Six Hunter
Springfield XD9 and XDm
Smith and Wesson M&P, 686+, 620, 617

If I was forced into ranking them, I might do the following:

Overall winner: GP100, SP101, 686+

Polymer: M&P, XD, Glock, HK USP (I really, really like the SR9, but don't really trust it, yet)

Metal frames: CZ75, 90-two

My problem is the the rankings change every few months... ;)

McCall911
January 16, 2010, 05:29 PM
But because the Glock costs about $500 brand new, and the H&K is about $900-$1000 in my neck of the woods (and the Glock is about 97% there), I go with Glock.


My primary complaint about Glock has always been that my hands just don't seem to be suitable for it. H&K is a different matter, but like you say they're pricey!

So I just stick with my

Smith & Wesson 5906

:)

19-3Ben
January 16, 2010, 05:42 PM
So since we all agree that revolvers are better than semi-autos anyway, why are we still fighting?

(ducks and runs for cover)

CZ223
January 16, 2010, 06:30 PM
I have owned the following over the years.

Ruger Mark II's no fewer than a half dozen

1/2 dozen TC's with at least 9 different caliber barrels probably at least 20 barrels.

3 S&W model 629s 44 mags

at least 6 S&W 686's still have one

a couple J frame smiths

a couple Ruger single sixes in 22 and mag

6 Glocks or more I have lost count currently have only two

2 Colt 1911's hated both of them

Kimber 1911 still have it

2 Taurus 1911's still have them

Springfield GI 1911 just got it

2 LCPs still have them

20 plus Ruger Vaquero's down to only four

Anschutz Exemplar

Half a dozen derringers

Colt mustang sold it:banghead:

Ruger sp101

Colt detective special sold it:banghead:

So we are not all 15 year olds sitting behind keyboards. Some of us actually shoot what we own too. :evil:

Magic_Man
January 16, 2010, 06:34 PM
The bottom line is there are a lot of quality firearms out there & we all shoot what we like/are good with.

RedAlert
January 18, 2010, 02:18 PM
Its kinda like a discussion on jockstraps. One brand will do you as well as the next. But, the one that really fits you and feels good doing its job...well that's the best jockstrap in the world. Every other one is just a runner up.

So, IMHO, the gun that feels best in your hand, shoots well, functions well and you can afford it is the best gun in the world for you.. That is until another comes along that is better ;-)

e3mrk
January 18, 2010, 02:33 PM
The best Handgun in the World is the One You Own.

LoneCoon
January 18, 2010, 03:09 PM
Nearly all of my autoloaders are currently broken, so I'd have to say the best is the one that works.

Manco
January 18, 2010, 03:21 PM
The best Handgun in the World is the One You Own.

Of course, that's why I bought it. ;)

FIVETWOSEVEN
January 18, 2010, 03:25 PM
SIGs fit and feel good in my hand and they work great. after all the SEALs don't select a bad gun.

joe_security
January 18, 2010, 05:38 PM
The best is what feels good in the hand, runs good on the load you want to use and that you can afford. I have something that works for me. Its very accurate and i cant make it jam. Its the best for ME. Something else might be the best for YOU. No one size fits all. Its all about what you like and what you want. Then its up to you to make sure your particular example runs on the ammo that you feel is the best for your needs.

CornCod
January 18, 2010, 06:55 PM
Arguing about the best combat handgun is fun. However, the original poster here is essentially correct. Most of the major name brand pistols will serve you well. I like to specialize in finding "sleepers," inexpensive handguns that shoot as well as the name brands.

w_houle
January 18, 2010, 07:27 PM
Not all of us received contentment with the status quo, or maybe all debates on this forum have been debated... ad infinitum, ad nauseum?

DSAPT9
January 18, 2010, 08:12 PM
I have been fortunate to work on outskirts of the firearms trade for about 30 years now so I have had the opportunity to fire most makes and models out there. Many supplied by the vendors along with ammo. What I found is that with todayís firearms that most are very well made and very reliable so it comes down to comfort and affordability.

I am a Glock 19 fan not because I feel it is the best thing sense sliced bread but because it fits my hand and I shoot dang well with it. I currently own 5 G19ís 2 green 3 black. I shot local competition with 1911s for years also a modified Smith 659 and did well in my local area but I do better with the G19.

I have shot matches with Sigs and HK but found they do not fit me well and my scores went down. They do not fit my hand and I find the controls are not in the right spot so I go back to what works for me.

I currently work weekends at a local sporting goods store behind the firearms counter and I tell most folks buy what fits your hand. Do not buy what I tell you or what your buddy tells, you buy what fits your hand and are able to reach all the controls. Go to a shooting range rent and test everything they have then make-up your mind. So I agree I get tired of all the arguments I want to hear why you like something or why you donít so I can make up my own mind not what other brand you think is better over what I asked about.

I have friends who love the Glock 30 for their size but complain that their finger gets pinched between the magazine and the front of the grip from time to time. That is what I want to know if I ask about a Glock 30 not that a 1911 is better. If I wanted to know about the 1911 I would have asked about a 1911 not a Glock 30!

Just my thoughts

MrWesson
January 19, 2010, 12:25 AM
EddieNFL
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Maybe if your post count was higher? just sayin'...

Maybe he was to busy shooting

I don't think judging someone based on there contribution to an online forum is related to his experience with a firearm.
Some of the best shooters I know don't own a computer.

jackpinesavages
January 19, 2010, 03:33 PM
There are WAY too many great and beautiful weapons out there that I have NOT shot, held, or carried to play this game.

The current rage in WWW marketing is to post relatively anonymously as a "regular joe consumer" with a review of blasting sunshine up the said manufacturer's arse, and/or slamming a manufacturer for a fictional failure. :cuss:



That being said, anything Made In the USA is OK by me!!! :neener:

Clarence
January 19, 2010, 04:21 PM
It really does come down to each individual's personal opinion. I own and shoot single-action revolvers, double-action revolvers, and autoloaders. I've owned one or more models of autoloader from all the major and most minor manufacturers. Most of them were reasonably accurate and reliable. My personal preference for a carry gun is a 1911 in .45 ACP but that doesn't make it the "best" for anyone except me.

Never criticize another man's dog, because you're not paying for the feed.

Mad Magyar
January 19, 2010, 04:28 PM
Okay.... so lately I've seen (and commented on several posts) about one gun or another and it's superiority.

It's been so iritating to me,
Of course, the reason being that no one has familiarity with all handguns & various models. We all tout what we have...I've tooted the Daewoo handguns for years, but only get a yawn for responses.
Why? Very few have some knowledge of Korean arms...For me, anything you own that works is the best handgun...:)

Philo_Beddoe
January 19, 2010, 04:52 PM
That being said, to me it's silly to have a head to head fight about the upper-end of handguns. They are all good. And the difference between them is so slight (in terms of overall quality), that it's virtually irrelevant

I agree, any of the upper end handguns are good, and its entirely down to preference for the most part.

Go to a gun store and try them out, see if you can rent them.

mordechaianiliewicz
January 19, 2010, 07:12 PM
Well now.... I wasn't trying to say Glock or HK is the best. I was trying to say they are the best FOR ME.

If someone else swears by Sig, or S&W, or Beretta, or 1911.... Good for them. I am happy they found a gun that works for them. What I am saying is this: Dissing a platform which is reliable, and combat accurate is silly.

I'm all for comparisons. I'm all for people explaining why they like a platform over another platform.

But saying pistol "x" sucks when it is a reliable, and combat accurate weapon is silly. Instead of saying (this is an example only) "Sigs sucks" say "I don't like Sigs 'because'."

ol' scratch
January 19, 2010, 11:31 PM
The handgun in my hand when I need it is the best handgun

johnnylaw53
January 20, 2010, 07:57 AM
I don't think there a such thing as the best pistol. I would not trade my beretta 92 for anything. I had carried a beretta for a long time that was issued. When they took them away and issued us sigs i went out and got my own beretta. Have a buddy that feel the same about his glock. The shooter need to like what he have and if it works for him then it is the best for him but not so for everyone eles. Hey I even know someone who have a kel tec p11 and he think that the best pistol ever made. But I do like these type of questions since it allow exchange of ideals

be safe

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