CZ-PCR vs GLOCK 19


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kentucky_smith
January 16, 2010, 09:12 AM
You can't mention price, carried by such and such organization, 2nd strike capability, or magazine availability. Which one do you get?



Will be carried iwb in a good tuckable holster.

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Pilot
January 16, 2010, 09:49 AM
No question the Glock G19 is a fine, sem-compact 9MM. However, the CZ-75D PCR is the BEST hicap, semi-compact 9MM I have ever shot or carried. Its well proportioned, accurate, reliable and easily concealed. It is the pistol I carry the most over HK's, Sigs and Berettas that I also own. Not saying others don't get carried, but the PCR is the best over all of the lot.

viking499
January 16, 2010, 09:57 AM
Don't know about the glock, but I just bought a PCR that I have fallen in love with. Don't know if guns could get any better than this thing. Only thing I could think that would make it better is if I had a Kadet to go with it.:D

If the pie is apple, it would come in as my second choice..........

Gun Geezer
January 16, 2010, 10:07 AM
My PCR came with the worst trigger I have ever felt. Put in a Wolf 14# spring and 2000 dry fires later it is ALMOST acceptable.

Other than that, I love the gun.

Loyalist Dave
January 16, 2010, 10:53 AM
The Glock is lighter. The CZ has more carry options (dbl action or cocked and locked, no?) I think the CZ is more ergonomic to my hand, other folks results may vary. I wouldn't feel naked carrying either. I'd probably take the CZ.

LD

ATBackPackin
January 16, 2010, 11:44 AM
Both are fine weapons and since both would serve you well I think it comes down to a personal preference. Not to jump on the CZ bandwagon (I hate bandwagoneers), but I like the feel and the weight better of the CZ. I would love to own a Glock but I cannot because they simply do not fit my hand well and personally I think that is the most important factor in buying a gun. I curse (the curse part is a joke) Glock for not making a model that is more comfortable in my hand because they are an amazing feat of engineering.

On the other hand the CZ feels so natural that it truly feels like an extension of me. If I am not completely satisfied with all other aspects of the gun (I.E. the trigger which seems to be the biggest complaint against the CZ's), I can pay to have them corrected to my liking with the exception of the accuracy of the gun itself. I hear a lot of people say, "why would you buy a gun and then pay to have something done to it?" and I say, "why would you buy a house and paint the walls? or change the purple carpet?" it's because you want to alter it to fit your personal preference.

If you couldn't tell by now or didn't feel like reading the first two paragraphs, I voted for the CZ. Both are great, but that is my personal preference.

Shawn

belus
January 16, 2010, 02:15 PM
CZ for ergonomics. The PCR, P-01, and P-06 are decockers only. To get a safety on that size gun you need to chose the CZ Compact which is steel framed.

I'd suggest the thin aluminium grips by the custom shop too. Gives it the same width as a 1911 and it feels like single stack. In total size the pistol would resemble a Commander.

armoredman
January 16, 2010, 03:48 PM
I am required to carry a G19 at work. Off duty it's CZ P01 and PCR, fit me far better, and shoot better for me.

LancerMW
January 16, 2010, 05:05 PM
although i like my CZ, the only thing worse than the single action trigger on mine is the double action on it, its...worse than a stock USP DA trigger pull, i am more comfortable with the G19

Quadkid
January 16, 2010, 07:59 PM
The last time i was at the range I was firing my CZ 75D compact (PCR plus rail), and my buddy had his new G19. I like the general feel and pointability of the CZ over the glock, but i wish i had thinner grips on it for my smaller hands.

StarDust1
January 16, 2010, 09:29 PM
I am required to carry a G19 at work. Off duty it's CZ P01 and PCR, fit me far better, and shoot better for me.
I'm a bigtime Glock guy, I own, and have owned many, many Glock pistols, but my little PO1 is in my opinion the very best 9mm compact to be had, mine always outperforms my 17/19/26 and my Sig 226 at the 25yrd line, though the little G-26 is also extremely accurate for it's size...

Full Metal Jacket
January 16, 2010, 09:59 PM
cz's are thinner, better for IWB carry.

great guns too, reliable and accurate.

my cz75 is more accurate and reliable than glocks i've owned.

Zundfolge
January 16, 2010, 10:04 PM
I don't like how Glocks feel in my hands ... I do like how CZs do.

That said, you don't have my hands so I can't really make a determination ... both are quality firearms.

So go to a gun shop that has both, fondle them for a while (and if they have a range and will let you rent both, so much the better).

Pick the one that feels best in your hand.

oasis618
January 17, 2010, 12:26 AM
I own both...well I have a P-01 not a PCR but for this discussion it's close enough...and while both are excellent, I'd have to say that the CZ is one of the most balanced and natural feeling pistols I've ever held or fired of any caliber. Plus I like the decocker for carry.

The Lone Haranguer
January 17, 2010, 08:09 AM
I have both guns (the Glock much longer, 12 years now), and it is a tough choice, as I like them both. The PCR is one of the few DA/SA guns that I am accurate with in the DA mode or the transition.

Jed Carter
January 17, 2010, 08:27 AM
I have both the Glock G19 and the CZ 75D PCR, my daily beater is the CZ PCR. The slide thickness of the PCR is way less because it rests inside the frame, fully supported. Loaded chamber indicator and Novak style sights are a plus, but the way it feels in your hand was the clincher. Wish the CZ came in a single stack model, or even the G19 with a single stack.

possum
January 17, 2010, 01:01 PM
for me if it is between anything and the glock 19, then i will say the glock 19 everytime, unless of course you throw a sa xd in the mix, and that would be my first choice.

viking499
January 17, 2010, 02:20 PM
Branching out?? Thought you were a BHP man........:confused:

NG VI
January 17, 2010, 03:29 PM
I've got a PCR and a 23, I like them both, but I REALLY like the PCR. It and the FNP-9M fit my hands better than any other gun I have held, and I'm not that picky about fit. I think I like the trigger on the Glocks better, especially once I swapped in a smoothfaced version and used a half-round file to make the safety bar a more pleasant shape and fit for the contour of the trigger.

I voted PCR.

LeontheProfessional
January 17, 2010, 03:52 PM
Well the Glock is the dowdest rightest finest firearm ever made.

kentucky_smith
January 17, 2010, 05:59 PM
Branching out?? Thought you were a BHP man........

Eh, just slumming around a bit.


Thanks for the responses guys, just found a decent deal on a P01 (close enough) on Gunbroker, hopefully have it by Friday. :D

grimjaw
January 17, 2010, 07:16 PM
Having owned both, and also the CZ P01, I went with the G19. But it was not an easy decision to make. It came down to the fact that the PCR required more frequent maintenance to maintain reliable operation. It would refuse to go into battery in a fewer number of rounds fired than the Glock (predictably). We're not talking a huge amount here, but enough that I could tell the difference.

RE: CZ, I would probably go with the all steel version with safety if I had it to do over again, though.

Stephen A. Camp
January 18, 2010, 07:55 AM
Hello. While I own other CZ pistols and have yet to be disappointed in them, the "right" choice between these two for me is the Glock 19; I like its internal simplicity, light weight and support, not only from the manufacturer by aftermarket businesses as well. That said, CZ75/85-type pistols have proven themselves to be both accurate and reliable in my long-term experience with them. I continue to shoot some Pre-B CZ-75's that I bought in the mid-'80's. Ultimately, the "right" choice for you will be determined by you and in this particular instance with these two choices, I don't think you have to worry about making a "bad" one.

Best and good luck.

Pilot
January 18, 2010, 07:58 AM
I have a healthy respect for the G19 and would feel well armed carrying one. I just don't like Glock triggers. I would imagine that's a deal breaker for some others that have chosen the PCR over the G19.

JDGray
January 18, 2010, 08:16 AM
just found a decent deal on a P01 (close enough) on Gunbroker, hopefully have it by Friday

The PCR would have been far thinner in the nose for IWB carry. The P01 is a great weapon, just dont care for railed carry guns.

Congrats, on the exellent choice!

kentucky_smith
January 24, 2010, 08:29 PM
Ended up with both, after running across a CHEAP gen2 19.

The 19 and p01 compare very favorably. Both fit in that G19 Minataur Comptac holster like it was made for each. Weight is about the same, the P01 is about 5 oz's heavier, but it fits my hand and balances better. Shot about 100 rounds through each today. It takes a little bit of adjustment at first when going from one to the other, the G19 grip hump makes it point higher at first until I adjust. The Fusion bobtail compares favorably size-wise, but weighs about the same as the other 2 put together. Both accurate and both ran like tops.

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I do like my CZ's though:
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RZ-45, Kadet, 75SA and P01

viking499
January 24, 2010, 10:52 PM
Nice family portrait......:what:

Ky Larry
January 24, 2010, 10:59 PM
I would go with my PCR just because I can't stand the God-awful Glock trigger.

huduguru
February 12, 2010, 10:09 AM
Well, the Czech special forces selected the Glock 17 to be their
pistol after extensive testing(it's in the Glock annual). What does that tell you? They could have had ANY CZ pistol they wanted but picked a Glock. :)

The PCR is okay, but I would take the PO1 over it because the
PO1 was put through some brutal testing. I also prefer the forged
frame of the PO1. Both feel good in the hand(better than a Glock I will
admit).

Random thoughts(facts):

-The G19 is lighter.
-The G19 is simpler to detail strip.
-Magazines are readily available for Glocks from many sources.
-Parts are readily available from many sources.
-Accessories are abundant for the G19.
-Glocks maintain their value better.
-G19 has a simpler manual of arms(no safety to release or flip on
accidentally when that punk with a Hi Point is drawing down on you).
-Better corrosion protection.
-More reliable(based on experiences with a few CZ-75's)

That sums it up for me. If the CZ works for you, great. I wouldn't mind
picking up a PO1 one of these days, but it would be a plinker, not a bullets
flying at you defense gun. I'll stick to Glock, thank you. ;)

Bohemus
February 12, 2010, 02:01 PM
Well, the Czech special forces selected the Glock 17 to be their
pistol after extensive testing(it's in the Glock annual). What does that tell you? They could have had ANY CZ pistol they wanted but picked a Glock. :)


Well, there was no testing nor any kind of tender, it was justified by saying their counterparts from other countries carry them in Astan so that they need the same gun, as SOG once did with Bushmaster: "We cannot carry vz.58 if we are 4 guys in group of 100 Americans .." Also MPI (importer of Glock and FN) has rather "good relations" with army...

Tacticalpro
February 12, 2010, 04:26 PM
I want a hand gun that when loaded is ready to fire at all times. All you have to do is point and pull the trigger. And I want a weapon that will fire every time under all conditions. The gun should be simple to operate and breakdown with low maintenance. It should have a long life. The trigger pull should be uniform or steady and consistent--no traditional double verses single action issues and the pull should be comfortable-mine is set a 3.5 lbs. It should have low recoil or muzzle flip. It also should have a huge selection of add-on or equipment to modify or enhance its use and performance.

Only the Glock does the above. :)

Autolycus
February 12, 2010, 04:49 PM
I like the Glock 17 over the Glock 19 as it fits me better. However the Glock 19 would be my carry gun if we had carry here.

The CZ I handled had great ergonomics and seemed like a nice gun. But I have become a fan of Glock simply because I can work on them in my house. They are also very supportive of their customers and the damned things just work.

I would feel well armed with a CZ as well but I prefer the Glock especially in 9mm. The only changes I would make would be to install a smooth face trigger and to put some decent night sights on as well as a plug in the grip. The plug is not necessarily but I feel it improves the looks. As far as the usefulness of the plug, that is up for debate.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 12, 2010, 05:17 PM
Let me just say: Do NOT use a 2-stack gun with a tuckable or any kind of IWB holster - it's just terribly uncomfortable, IME.

These two pistols are perfect for fanny pack or OWB carry.

But for IWB or smartcarry, get something thinner, regardless of how big it may be otherwise: 1911, baby 1911, HK P7, Kahr, etc.

You will thank me later.

Obviously, the PCR is hands down the better pistol of those two, but you really need to consider the mode of carry and comfort level before settling upon holster and matching gun. Or gun and matching holster, depending upon how you look at it.

Just MO.

kentucky_smith
February 12, 2010, 05:49 PM
Let me just say: Do NOT use a 2-stack gun with a tuckable or any kind of IWB holster - it's just terribly uncomfortable, IME.

These two pistols are perfect for fanny pack or OWB carry.

But for IWB or smartcarry, get something thinner, regardless of how big it may be otherwise: 1911, baby 1911, HK P7, Kahr, etc.

Uhmm, no. I find a G19 and the P01 to be as comfortable as anything IWB. You're not using the right holster.

Defense Minister
February 12, 2010, 06:01 PM
I'm with Kentucky on the IWB issue. Go with a Crossbreed Supertuck or Minotaur MTAC/Spartan, and you'll be fine carrying just about anything you choose. I carry a S&W M&P40 in a Crossbreed Supertuck with very little discomfort, even while sitting.

Pilot
February 13, 2010, 06:32 AM
Only the Glock does the above.


You just described all the CZ modern autos as well as Sigs, M&P, HD, an most other DA/SA or striker fired autos, except for out of the box trigger pull weights which can all be adjusted with springs or tuning.

Glocks are fine, but they are no better than any of the above.

RobMoore
February 13, 2010, 06:53 AM
Let me just say: Do NOT use a 2-stack gun with a tuckable or any kind of IWB holster, it's just terribly uncomfortable.... for IWB or smartcarry, get something thinner, regardless of how big it may be otherwise: 1911, baby 1911, HK P7, Kahr, etc.

Have you checked the widths lately on double stack guns (namely the glock and those like it)? Those guns you listed are not much, if any, thinner than glocks/xd/M&P. A couple tenths of an inch, maybe. The holster you choose (and pant size) is going to play a bigger part than the gun when it comes to overall felt width.

I think weight is the larger concern with respect to comfort. The dimensions are more of a concealability issue than anything.

LibertySympathizer
February 13, 2010, 01:08 PM
Pretty surprised by the poll results.

In my neck of the woods, CZ's are like mythical unicorns.
Everyone has a friend, that has a cousin, that has a brother-in-law that has one and swears by them.

Love to get my hands on one to try since it is one of the last non-polymer options.

Aka Zero
February 13, 2010, 04:27 PM
I bought a G26, for carry..... I really like it. But....
I keep wondering if I should have bought a RAMI......

CZ75B-SA, probably my favorite gun I own.

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