Since when did certain kinds of shotgun shells become "restricted" to LE?


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TheOtherOne
November 14, 2003, 01:19 PM
I went to pick up some buckshot and all I knew is I wanted 00 buck. I was looking at my different options and saw a big box of Choke brand sitting on the shelf and it looked promising so I picked it up. When I got to the counter to buy they refused to sale it to me because I wasn't a cop. I asked if that was some law or just a marketing thing and the guy didn't know... just something the "higher ups" decide according to him.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/choke_25box.html

So anways I got Federal Low Recoil 00 Buck instead. It's probably better stuff, but the Choke sounded similar and it was a much better price! So anyways now that someone somewhere decided that me, the lowly serf, can't have this ammo I want some! Anyone know a place online I can buy it (besides the link above)? I know there's not a law forbiding me to have it so it just has to be some marketing crap.

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bogie
November 14, 2003, 01:21 PM
$10.99/box?

Sounds "tactical."

TheOtherOne
November 14, 2003, 08:16 PM
$10.99/box?

Sounds "tactical."
:) Hey, the Federal I ended up buying was labeled as "Tactical Loads". I payed for it too. $3.99 for 5 shells. :eek: I'm sure I payed extra for the labeling, but since it's all going in my home defense gun that hides up on top of the entertainment center it'll probably never get shot up anyways.

But does anyone know about this Choke ammo?

Matt G
November 14, 2003, 08:29 PM
Dunno what your state says, but it's what we humble Texans call "hype for sales." Saw it with Black Talon, back in the day. No law against selling it to non LE, just that they wanted the rep of being so deadly, only the po-po could have it! :rolleyes:

Bill Hook
November 15, 2003, 03:20 AM
I doubt it is LEO restricted, except by the manufacturer. I think they do that with Ranger SXT, etc. If you really want some, try looking online for a distributor or go to a gunshow, since you can usually buy the so-called "LE Only" ammo there.

dukeofurl
November 15, 2003, 03:41 AM
I've got some Ranger SXT buckshot if you want it. Thats marked "LE ONLY" but is legal to own for everyone (unless you're a convicted felon. then you're up the creek).

Tomac
November 15, 2003, 09:17 AM
The only LE-only shotgun load I've heard of was a special hardened BRI Sabot Slug designed to penetrate barriers. 00 Buck? I buy the Federal Premium 00 Buck at Wally World for $3.38/bx if I only need a few rds. Natchez Shooters Supply recently was selling it for $1.89/bx plus shipping.
Tomac

Mark Tyson
November 15, 2003, 01:42 PM
Didn't there used to be some kind of quiet(well, quieter) shotgun round that was restricted?

FedDC
November 15, 2003, 03:04 PM
As an LEO, I run into this crap at gunstores all the time. It is not law, just company policy and it is only enforced if the store decides to do it. Lots of manufacturers do it. Remington says they don't sell their Sniper Rifles or Police Shotguns to civilians...but I bought a Police 870 years before I was a cop. It is just another excuse for them to mark up the price and make it tacticool... If you look around, you'll find it for sale somewhere else. Also, the Federal tactical Reduced Recoil 00 buck load is LEO only according to the box, but I guy it at my local gun shop with no checks on my ID. It is the tightest patterning buck you will ever find. I highly recomend it for Home Defense.

DJJ
November 15, 2003, 03:06 PM
One of my local gun stores won't sell you a 25 round box of buckshot unless you have "deaprtment letterhead". You can have all the 5 round boxes you can carry, though. :rolleyes:

AJ Dual
November 15, 2003, 09:43 PM
The only true restricted shotgun ammunition would be "Case Teloscoped" ammo, or Teleshot.

The powder section is enclosed in a metal cup or balloon, folded up sort of like one of those collapsing camper's cups, and the segments "teloscoping" forward throws the shot down the barrel. Since the combusting powder stays inside the closed case it's much quieter than a normal shell.

The ATF classifies each round as a "silencer" and it costs $200 in NFA tax for each round for civilian posession. LEO's and military don't pay that of course.

Here's a link describing it. I believe it's actually some kind of gamer site, since they have all the "damage points" etc. but the ammo is real.

That silenced revolver rifle made famous in the X-files is also a real project from Knight's Armament and it uses a similar system to fire a sub-caliber buulet in a sabot.

azthistletoe
November 15, 2003, 10:15 PM
^^^ no link yet

TXBera
November 16, 2003, 08:30 AM
I know I'm opening a whole new cans of worms with this one...but what about flechette rounds? Isn't it just restricted to LE/.gov only?

AJ Dual
November 16, 2003, 10:03 AM
No, flechette rounds are fine. You can buy them at gunshows or online from places like www.firequest.com It's possible that places like NJ and CA may have them illegal, but most states it's OK, and there's no federal ban on them.

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