Your most probable TEOTWAWKI scenario?


November 14, 2003, 06:20 PM
Give it here.

Economic collapse?
Nuclear War?
Solar Flare?
Super Volcano?
Ice Age?

To make it gun related, which firearms do you see being capable of being 200-500 years old operational heirlooms?

As you can tell, I am extremely bored.:scrutiny:

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November 14, 2003, 06:31 PM
MSG-free Chinese food :barf:

Support the Chinese Undeground--buy an SKS and bury it.

November 14, 2003, 06:52 PM
Economic collapse.
We are getting close to the point where social programs are weighing heavily on the economic activity. Add a few more industries leaving the country to go to low-labor cost foreign countries, and its gonna get worse. Add another minimum wage increase and you are there.

November 14, 2003, 07:03 PM
Economic collapse.

November 14, 2003, 07:30 PM
Not in my life time.


November 14, 2003, 07:49 PM
Economic Collapse brought on by Global Warming which lead to a return to the Ice Age for most of North America and Europe and was compounded by the explosion of the Yelowstone Caldera and another New Madrid earthquake. However most of these went unnoticed since the Tsunami that resulted from the extinct caldera colapse in the Canary Islands destroyed both the Fox and CNN news centers.

November 14, 2003, 09:25 PM
Economic Collapse.

4v50 Gary
November 14, 2003, 09:28 PM
It's happening right now. 1 foot of snow in Los Angeles. Climate changing. Polarity switching. Dawn of new Ice age. Global warming (OK, no ice age). People will be aware of it in 2012 - the same year the Mayan Calender stops - and by then, my retirement will disappear and I'll have to work again... Aieeeeeeeee!!!!! :)

November 14, 2003, 09:33 PM
Zombies on the lawn, staggering around. Reptile wisdom. Plaster falling down in pieces by the couch of pain.

A .38 Special, up on the shelf, of course.

November 14, 2003, 09:38 PM
It's not usually the whole world at once; it's usually one area that goes to hell for a while.
Usually the immediate reason is some war, originally brought on by other kinds of bad behavior like racism or inflation or whatever.
I don't see that happening in the USA unless there's a nuclear war. Just remember that within our lifetimes, it really has been TEOTWAWKI for Cambodia, Lebanon, Afghanistan (more than once), Bosnia, Rwanda, Congo... Maybe those are the people who really need to be armed.

November 14, 2003, 10:11 PM
Y'know, it's funny you should mention this.

Having recently re-read S.M. Stirling's Island In The Sea Of Time books, I was chatting with my housemate about what kind of guns would be best for a town suddenly teleported into the Bronze Age. His first instinct was to mention Glocks, but I retorted that parts wear out, and small bits on a Glock would require elaborate stamping machinery to replace, while those on a 1911 would require only a guy with some barstock, a file, and a lot of time on his hands...

November 14, 2003, 10:41 PM
Wife finds out about my C&R license.

Wait, that is a SHTF scenario :eek:

Harry Tuttle
November 14, 2003, 11:04 PM
lets see...
we are are way overdue for an asteroid smack, a super caldera cook off, a pole shift and an ice age

It seems like a big chunk of space junk could make for some interesting times

People have been around for more or less 50,000 years.
In that time frame, theres been a few "disasters" that have reordered the status quo
but nothing like the event that toppled the dinosaurs

If the Ort cloud sheds some cosmic debris our way,
a 38 snubbie might be all you need

November 14, 2003, 11:31 PM
Giant space bunnies from Jupiter land and appoint Hillary Clinton leader of the world.

George Hill
November 14, 2003, 11:36 PM
Hillary Clinton wins in 2008.

November 14, 2003, 11:53 PM
Enforcing the Patriot Act on Americans for political dissent. No kidding. The weapon of choice? I'm looking at a 98K variant.

November 14, 2003, 11:58 PM
I don't have a scenario, but it seems as tho AK's are being made and repaired today by folks in parts of the world where the S hits their F near continuously: wars, natural disasters, no functioning economies and close to bronze age living conditions, so maybe I'd pick that gun-wise.

Heck, maybe I should buy that, gun-wise.

November 15, 2003, 01:41 AM
One seriously pissed off guy with the right equipment taking out power grids & expensive switching equipment in low income neighborhoods / areas, then driving to the next city and doing it again and again. Resulting riots cause massive destruction as power is unable to be restored due to cascading failures when enough equipment is destroyed.

Panic causes a massive shutdown of business as people either tune in to watch what's going on, or are unable to get to work due to safety concerns / lack of transportation / family matters / etc. Copycat / anarchists / other idiots decide to follow suit ala "UC" and we wind up with martial law covering several states / regions.

Martial law results in more panic / liberal bedwetting & general realization that maybe the 5 day waiting period was a bad idea when the country is on lockdown and you have rioters a few streets away.

Past that, in descending order of probability: massive deliberate attack by terrorists using unconventional weapons; dirty bomb; or chem / bio / vector agent attack on populace centers.

November 15, 2003, 01:55 AM
The White Buffalo loses its last leg. Strong, bad medicine follows. No firearm can withstand strong, bad medicine.

November 15, 2003, 02:43 AM
A brain virus PATHOGEN brought to earth by the GIANT SPACE BUNNIES FROM JUPITER creates ZOMBIES and gives all REPTILES WISDOM forcing Dubya to ENFORCE THE PATRIOT ACT to extremes never envisioned. While we are all focused on these problems we all forget to vote, exept the ZOMBIES who elect HILLARY IN 2008. The resulting ECONOMIC COLLAPSE PISSES some GUY OFF enough that he goes around the country in low income ares TURNING OFF THE POWER gid, resulting in riots and martial law across the globe and eventually turns into global NUCLEAR WAR. The heat and sismic vibrations from every bomb in the world going off at roughly the same time turns Mt St Helen into a SUPER VOLCANO which empties half of the contents of the Earth's core, skewing the Earths rotation and tilt changing the gravitational forces in the solar system and creating devastating SOLAR FLARES which is good because it's the last good beach day left as the NUCLEAR WAR and SUPER VOLCANO ejecta has already triggered the next ICE AGE. All this compounded by the fact that 10 minutes after HILLARY takes office IN 2008 She ,with the cooperation of U.N.president Osama Bin Laden, enlists the help of the ENWISENED REPTILES to confiscate all modern fire arms in the world in sweeping raids on unsuspecting non lizard fearing citizens. And since GOALIE'S WIFE FOUND OUT ABOUT HIS C&R weapons are too scarce to even consider.
As the gun grabbing raids are winding down a small group of lizards stop to take a recreation break, after Louie looses a game of Truth or Dare he has to GNAW OFF THE LAST LEG OF THE WHITE BUFFALO. And as we all know that's bad medicine so guns would be useless anyway. But in the end it won't matter because I would have died from a heart attack right after the lizard asked me for a Budwieser.

November 15, 2003, 02:50 AM
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes--
The dead rising from the graves!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

And to go with it?
A proton pack. :)

November 15, 2003, 03:02 AM

1911 style , 870 pump, model 70 in '06.
guns should work, be reliable, easy to keep so.
Mass hysteria, looting, the need to CCW and close work. The bolt to keep BGs at bay and hunting.

Whether confined to the inner city, or in hills...people that ain't got will want what you do.

Tommy Gunn
November 15, 2003, 03:37 AM
I see economic decline and urban race riots, but that will always happen every few decades. Such events classify as SHTF, but not TEOTWAWKI.

Guns? First rule is to have a gun w/ ammo. Remember that alot of those Korean shopowners had survived the LA riots with just ordinary shotguns.

To make it gun related, which firearms do you see being capable of being 200-500 years old operational heirlooms?

That would be a flintlock musket. A flintlock musket can be kept operational by learning how to knap flints, cast ball, and make blackpowder.

Don't laugh, a flintlock musket would be good for hunting and pest control around the family farm so that the modern guns and ammo can be reserved for real emergencies.

November 15, 2003, 04:20 AM
back in the bronze age?

You haulin it with? :D

economic or social collapse

probly the only gun I got that would last 200-500 years (with lots of care and minimal use) would be a SS ruger Service Six, maybe the SKS would make it too. Everything else is aluminum, plastic, or MIM and I don't think designed for that kind of service life.

November 15, 2003, 09:42 AM
All you have to do is look back into history to see what could happen. Most of the conflicts in the past have been civil wars. In the U.S. that would mean a group of people in the Southwest deciding that they need a new independent country (Atzlan). It could also mean several states deciding that the Federal government has gotten too big for its britches and refuse enough federal mandates that the Feds come in and take over state government and the people resist this. Is there any historical evidence of a natural disaster causing a country or its government to collapse?
As far as economic disasters are concerned, their effect is to bring in a totalitarian government such as the Nazis in pre-WW2 or communists in WW1.

November 15, 2003, 10:09 AM
For Canadians, the Resurrection of Trudeau, or the none retirement of Chretien.


November 15, 2003, 10:42 AM
(Don't laugh too hard) I think the terrorists will attack a couple three times again, many people will die and the government will respond with an attempt to cut off the terr's ability to purchase supplies in this country by implementing chip technology to the masses (no one can buy or sell without it), and pass it with the guise of "its a statement of loyalty to the country, positive identification of being American, and if you're not a terr you have no reason not to,,,"

And America (World!) will never be the same again until the Lord comes back. All this may or may not be interspersed with ecomomic disaster, (more) draconian laws, biological epidemics, and the most control of the people the world has ever known.

Think about it. Without 'the chip', you couldn't buy food, meds, ammo, guns, gas, stamps, hygenic supplies or even a bible. This would be so much control and 'crack down on sooo much' that they can't hardly not do it. Many will refuse the chip, and many will give up shortly from hunger and lack of staples. TEOTWAWKI.

November 15, 2003, 11:06 AM
I'd say we are finished the day Sharia law is declared in the US (related: would we be the United States of Islam, or the Islamic States of America?).
I don't see this happening, though, as much as the jihad groups are calling for it.

Properly maintained and used sparingly, wouldn't most guns last hundreds of years?

November 15, 2003, 11:28 AM
Scenario: Our computers start understanding what's going on, they conspire with each other to remove all the freedom us humans enjoy.

On boards like this, they start posting things like "be sure to vote Democrat in 2004 to send a message to Bush over the Patriot Act, AWB, etc.".

They write news stories condemning freedom and vast prosperity because it leads to Americans being fat, owning guns, smoking tobacco and driving SUVs.

Eventually they perfect their robots -- like the one they ran for President in 2000 -- to seem more lifelike. The robots all hunt pheasants in flyover country with $5000 over/unders to appear less elitist. They win every election and re-interpret every aspect of the Constitution as a "living document".

Soon all those who remember the Bill of Rights are sent to diversity training camps, so we're all concentrated in one place and they can keep an eye on us.

Weapon: Phased Plasma Rifle in a 40 watt range.

Baba Louie
November 15, 2003, 11:39 AM
Economy meltdown brought on by well meaning terrorist types with corresponding governmental clampdown on various freedoms/liberty/banking, notably no more legal sales of ammunition and travel restrictions due to regional martial law brought about by tribal rioting in the streets... (trying to include everything I can think of here) hordes of Mexican and Canadians coming across the borders all speaking their native languages and ignoring the commonspeak English while taking over all available jobs...

As to firearm heirlooms that'll be viable in 200 - 500 years... flintlock blackpowder arms shooting little round lead pills... technology still open to common man with a few tools in a blacksmith shop...and the ability to blend charcoal, saltpeter and sulfur, and the trusty bow and arrow.

Of course, I could be wrong...


Bill Hook
November 15, 2003, 12:31 PM
Another vote for President (General Secretary) Hillary.


November 15, 2003, 02:32 PM
the only real permanent damage that can be done IMHO is a asteroid or something hitting earth. If it's too big than KABLAMMO good bye humans but if it's small it might just be like a nuclear winter. Alll the other sceanarios are at best temporary setbacks :scrutiny:

November 15, 2003, 02:42 PM

November 15, 2003, 02:56 PM
Politicians become more corrupt and socialistic...more and more illegal hordes pour across our borders unchecked...our morallity decays to the point of all religion being banned... we sit on our arses and watch more ESPN than ever...We become a Balkanized state. I know its prety far-fetched, but hey!

200-500 year old 'tiquer? Any qaulity well cared for/well preserved stainless weapon. Say a good 1911 and a stainless mdl 700. Is the ammo being fired 200-500 years old as well? Hope not!:eek:

November 15, 2003, 03:23 PM
Thought of another one, even more scary than the giant bunnies from Jupiter.

Tasteless comments deleted. -- pax

November 15, 2003, 03:46 PM
Marginally gun-related to begin with, and degenerated into true tastelessness.



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