[R.W.Dale]

Especially when combined with cheap scopes

Below are a couple pics I had the wife shoot using my recently gunshowed up marlin 1894 in 357mag that someone named "Ken" (stock carving) had installed a cheap Simmons scope and see thru rings on. As you can see using the scope there is virtually no cheek weld taking place. But worst of all look at the pic of me getting down on the stock to use the sights. :rolleyes: Good thing a 357 doesn't recoil much otherwise you'd give yourself a scope lobotomy if you goofed and actually tried to use the "dual purpose" aspect of these rings



Now that these pics are taken I'll add these crappy rings to my ever growing box of removed see thru garbage. Did I mention that I HATE see thru rings?

all firearm safety rules were obeyed in the making of these pics........and yes I'm a dork without my beard....stupid preheat torch

[hogshead]

What is that a zero eye relief scope. Slide it forward about 5 inches. I dont like a scope on a lever gun either but some folks do. I especially dont like see through mounts, been cleaning out the reloading room and I have 11 sets of see through mounts. Mostly Iron Sighter will take $20 plus shipping for the lot.

[Erik M]

He will have a nice little "c" imprinted above his eye.

[R.W.Dale]

What is that a zero eye relief scope.

IT'S A SIMMONS so pretty much

Slide it forward about 5 inches.

its as far forward as the rings will allow......EDIT: was

[hogshead]

Well that explains the eye relief question. Still seems like it could go forward. But whats the point. I dont like lever guns with scopes. Kinda like a winch on a Corvette. I better hush before I start a fuss. Last time we went through this I got accused of gun abuse. Chunk the rings, chunk the scope , and shoot it like you stole it.

[R.W.Dale]

Well that explains the eye relief question. Still seems like it could go forward. But whats the point. I dont like lever guns with scopes. Kinda like a winch on a Corvette. I better hush before I start a fuss. Last time we went through this I got accused of gun abuse. Chunk the rings, chunk the scope , and shoot it like you stole it.
I intend to and for the most part I agree. But actually I have an odd hankering to use one of the super modern reflex sights on this gun

I'm thinkin the small Trijicon reflex a smaller EOtech or a burris fastfire micro

[Arkansas Paul]

I don't mind scopes on levers so much, but I despise see through rings on anything. I had a buddy tell me, "well if the scope fogs up, you can use the iron sights". Naturally my reply was, "Spend more than $40 on a scope and you won't have to worry about that". Anyway, I think the ol see throughs are worthless. That's just me though. If you think different, that's fine. There a couple of sets around my workbench, but they were on used stuff I bought. They lasted just long enough to get em home.

[hogshead]

I got a leuopold 1 x5 and was gonna mount it on a 35 rem for a brush gun. But it just aint right. Kinda like drinking beer in the chuch parking lot, you may not go to hell but why chance it.

[Badlander]

Your not sposed to drink beer in the church parkin lot? when did that start?
+1 on dumping the see throughs!

[Shawn Dodson]

Seems like the perfect excuse to go find a matching "Barbie."

But, honey, what good is Ken without a Barbie?!

[ArmedBear]

For lever gun cartridges and applications, a peep sight offers much better accuracy and a less-fatiguing shooting experience than open sights, without adding a bunch of weight or eliminating all possibility of getting a decent cheek weld.

Why do see-through rings? Why do a scope at all (in most cases)?

Yes, I have astigmatism. I have terrible eyes, and I have since I was 8. I use a 2X scope for pistol matches. But peep sights work great, too.:)

[nipprdog]

The rings are mounted backwards. :rolleyes:

[R.W.Dale]

The rings are mounted backwards. :rolleyes:
only the rear ring, the scope was pushed forward as far as possible against the front ring

[Maverick223]

Had some on my 10/22 (were gifts)...I finally decided to get real rings for it...big improvement.

:)

[powwowell]

I agree that see through rings are a no-no. But, I do have my Marlin lever actions scoped. Some of us, that have vision problems (in my case, old eyes), appreciate a scope on their rifles.

[HGUNHNTR]

See through rings are a joke.

[jpwilly]

krochus, Maybe the previous owner could aim with his mind! :)

[Col. Plink]

This kind of thing (with all the well-loved lever guns and top loading stripper and en bloc clip-loading rifles) makes me wonder at how underutilized the scout scope setup is. Seems like the natural solution to a common problem.

I know it doesn't allow simultaneous use of scope and open sights, but clearly see-through rings aren't either. Someone needs to make a line of scout scope mounts that can as iron or optic sights... Oh wait, THEY DO! (for sks, ak only though) http://www.scoutscopes.com/

Still wishing they made one for my VZ-24...

[MatthewVanitas]

What's the term for those scope mounts you see on some older rifles, where the mount is hinged so you can flip the scope out of the way and use the irons?

Seemed a clever idea, but to have fallen by the wayside. I take it it's not as "repeatable" and so see-thrus became more popular instead?

[CMP]

My grandpa has the one that folds to the side, seems to be great for hunting deer anyway. So I can only assume it holds a least a general zero...meaning not much of a zero. maybe i'll have to take it out some time and see how well it groups

[Al LaVodka]

Well, they don't provide a good cheek-weld but I have quality see-through mounts still on my 10-22 from when I was a teenager (along with a flash-arrestor, ventilated handguard, and extended mag release -- lol) and, frankly, it was OK. Also bought a barely-used Win. Lever-action .44 Mag Trapper and it came with a see-through mount mounted scope that I never bothered to take off and is fine except for the whole proper-grip/position thing when using the glass. I've seen way too many scope-eyes/half-moons cut into people's heads to tolerate 'em on high-powered rifles though.

I kinda still like the idea, but I can see y this guy sold-off his .357 lever!

Al

[elmerfudd]

See through rings basically operate on the theory that two crappy sight systems are better than one good one. The obnoxiously tall rings mean you can't get a good cheekweld and make it harder to quickly acquire your target in the scope and they also tend to get in the way of a decent peep sight. Not to mention the fact that they just seem flimsy and cheap.

If you must have both a scope and iron sights, I'd recommend some sort of QD rings.

[R.W.Dale]

I kinda still like the idea, but I can see y this guy sold-off his .357 lever!

LOL me and the wife have a theory


Apparently "Ken" intended to keep the rifle long term as he did carve his name into the stock. We figure he got in a bind and had to drum up some cash. The Irony is he would have gotten much more $$$ if he hadn't autographed this gun.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/0d040133.jpg

[Gord]

Devil's advocate: I have a pair of see-through rings on my Savage .22LR. The cheek weld isn't as tight as it could be, but I've never had any issues. I cut daisy stems in half at 75 yards (with a Tasco 4x scope - high roller that I am) and, several times, the ability to switch "down" to the iron sights has made the difference between nailing a flushed jackrabbit and watching it scurry off over the next ridge.

That stock appears to have way too much drop for any sort of high-ring mount to work, whether see-through or not, and/or the scope is mounted way too far to the rear, preventing you from achieving cheek weld a bit further up on the stock (and thus higher). Maybe "Ken" weighed 400 lbs and required a bit more jowl clearance than you. Who knows...

[Saint Dennis]

Jeez, every time someone mentions see through mounts the 'purists' come accross like you farted in church. Ken obviously mounted the scope wrong. I have them on my marlin 336. I've had the see through mounts on for 35 years, shot at least that many deer. In the north country here, sometimes snow plops onto your scope as you move through the woods and you don't notice. Lots of things can happen. I haven't had to use the irons often, but once in a while they are a benefit. Most levers chamberings aint worth a hoot over 150 yards anyhow. A perfect cheek weld isn't imperitive. I still have my face on the stock, just lower down on my jaw.... and I fart in church when I have to.

[Walkalong]

I bought a Winchester 30.30 (http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=80372&d=1214260122) with some cheap see thru rings and Tasco scope. I knew I was only buying the rifle when I go it. My son has been deer hunting with it this year. I still haven't done anything with it. I bought the scope, but no rings yet. He shot a coyote near dark with the open sights because he could not see it through the cheap scope.

I'll have it right for next year. At first he thought the gun was "too short", but after trudging around the woods and handling other folks bolt guns in heavy brush going and coming, he likes it.

[ArmedBear]

Most levers chamberings aint worth a hoot over 150 yards anyhow.

Yup. Given that I, with imperfect eyes, shoot revolvers at 100 with fat partridge sights on them, well enough for deer-hunting purposes, it's hard for me to see why anyone would be eager to weigh down and ruin the balance of a wonderful, quick, light lever action with a scope, especially one mounted really high.

Tang sights work very nicely, and can be folded down in favor of the open sight on the barrel, both for backup purposes and for snap shooting.

[Baldeagle]

Guess having see through mounts is a personal preferrence thing. If you don't like them, that's fine by me. However, I have several leverguns, I've one in particular that I enjoy shooting while deer hunting. A 336A 30/30. It has see through mounts. It has had the priviledge to partake in well over a 100 deer during the time that I have owned said rifle. Not once has the see through mounts prevented/hindered me from taking a shot. One other thing, In the 25 years that I've used this rifle with the "Cheap" tasco scope upon it,has it ever been anything other than "right on/reliable" . Are there better options out there ...Yes. What works for one doesn't work for all. I personally don't knock what works for those whom dislike the see throughs.If you perfer to go through the expense, then by all means, do as you wish. Thanks and have a most wonderful day everyone.

[hammerklavier]

I intend to and for the most part I agree. But actually I have an odd hankering to use one of the super modern reflex sights on this gun

I'm thinkin the small Trijicon reflex a smaller EOtech or a burris fastfire micro

I like your style, cowboy.

[Maverick223]

Perhaps the problem isn't the scope mount...but the head. :neener:

[alemonkey]

Hey krochus, is that a prison jumpsuit?

:D

My dad has a mauser with the rings that flip to the side so you can use iron sights. I've never tried it on paper, but it seems to hold zero reasonably well, at least good enough for killing the occasional coyote which is all he uses it for.

[geneinnc]

Take us a picture showing how much POI change you can get by twisting the scope in those see thru's, assuming the scope doesn't break first

[Baldeagle]

Why would one be twisting the scope when it's mounted and sighted in ??? My scope doesn't twist within the rings, Does yours? Hummmm.. Maybe your point went over my head. Sorry.

[Daveboone]

It seems like the see through scopes became popular back when there was a profusion of inexpensive and unreliable scopes on the market. pay for a scope you can rely on and that is for how you hunt, and there is no need for the see through.

[R.W.Dale]

There seems to be two camps on see thru rings

Side A: Seems to be concerned with the overall fit and accuracy of the firearm in any situation or shooting venue

Side B: Seems to only care that their rings are sturdy enough to prevent the scope from falling off in the field and becoming lost and allows them to hit a target the size of a deer

I don't have to point out where I pitch my tent.

Below is a pic of the rifle after I mounted a 2x7x33 Var-i xII using some mounts I came up with rummaging around in my scope mount parts box. Granted later on I plan on doing something different, but even with this cobbled together weaver mount overall the rifle points and handles 4200% better than before. And perhaps best of all accuracy is looking to be real promising, especially considering I only had 147g plated wadcutter ammo to test (1.5 to 1.75" 5 shot groups @50)

[Maverick223]

So I take it you don't think Duck tape is good nuff for mounts? :uhoh: