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willymc
January 24, 2010, 06:21 PM
I知 in my 60痴. I知 still active shooting and hunting. Not ready for the big range in the sky, but my wife and I were talking the other day about getting our ducks in a row for the future. The topic of firearms came up. What to do with my 田ollection when I知 gone or too sick/feeble to shoot. The only member of my family that shoots/hunts is my brother and he is older than I am. And, may I add, has all he wants. The couple of guys that I go to the range with are just casual shooters, a gun or 2 and that痴 all they want. Living in the Socialist State of California, I can稚 just have my wife put them up for sale in the paper. I was wondering if there is an organization that will take the firearms as a donation and use the proceeds to defend the Second Amendment. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Please, no 都end them to me :D posts.

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SpotlightRanger
January 24, 2010, 06:28 PM
If you have high dollar stuff the NRA museum might take them. If you have military items there are a lot of military museums that might be interested.

paintballdude902
January 24, 2010, 06:32 PM
if you are in the state of mind for it at the time that you become ill or can no longer shoot you could always sell them on gun broker

or donate some of them to a group like the boy scouts to teach young kids to shoot

you may get better info on like cal guns for a semi local group that teaches kids to shoot

Just One Shot
January 24, 2010, 06:34 PM
You could always sell them before you go and donate the money to charity.

wishin
January 24, 2010, 06:36 PM
Quote from NRA


A gift of personal firearms to The NRA Foundation will also help to support vital programs while providing you a tax-deduction for the value of the property. There are a number of ways in which your firearms will serve to help the foundation -- either by preserving them in the National Firearms Museum, or by generating income for the foundation by their sale.

smallbore
January 24, 2010, 06:39 PM
willymc. . .Does CA have a gun owners advocacy group? Here in NH we have GO-NH (Gun Owners New Hampshire). If so, you may want to consider contacting them for further info. Just an idea.

gbran
January 24, 2010, 06:42 PM
Your wife or designee can take all of them to a local gunstore to be sold on consignment. You are right that in CA she can't just sell them in the newspaper without walking them to a dealer for DROS/transfer.

My dad (76 y/o) is/was a gun nut. He still shoots and keeps SD weapons, but for the most part, he's started paring down his number of guns.

I'm thinking that someday I'll whittle down my collection. I have far too many firearms to shoot anyway. Fortunately, I have a son and a son n' law who hunt and shoot.

Rembrandt
January 24, 2010, 06:47 PM
You can donate them to the Friends of the NRA, they in turn will auction them off at their banquet and give you a tax deductible receipt for what they bring.....proceeds then go to to local NRA committee to distribute.

As result....
1 - You get a tax deduction
2 - You help support second amendment efforts through the NRA.
3 - Firearms end up going to people who really want them

Grassman
January 24, 2010, 06:53 PM
Let me be the first to say... I'll take em off your hands for free.:D

danprkr
January 24, 2010, 07:11 PM
Let me be the first to say... I'll take em off your hands for free.

Dang, beat me to it.:fire:

willymc
January 24, 2010, 07:16 PM
Thanks. I'll check with CRPA - California Rifle and Pistol Assoc. If no go there, I'll look into NRA's "Gift of Guns" program. And no, Grassman, you can't have them :neener:.

DH999
January 24, 2010, 07:17 PM
I have thought about the same thing. I'm a bit younger, on the verge of turning 50, but since my wife is not into guns, it is a concern should anything unexpected happen to me. To make matters worse, I live in NY and as you may know, you cannot touch or posses a handgun in NY without a NY State Pistol Permit (which is a full carry permit by the way). But you cannot have a handgun in NY without the permit.

If I should meet an unfortunate early demise, my wife by law would have just 15 days to take my handguns to a local FFL for disposition. If she waits longer than 15 days, she is technically breaking the law.

So it could be worse - you could be in NY! This actually keeps me from wanting to amass too large a collection of handguns. I currently have around 5 and don't want that number to increase by much. I have a few rifles / shotguns, but am less concerned about them since my wife can posses them without a permit. In fact my first firearm was a 1960's Marlin 30-30 that my wife had in the family and passed on to me.

MetalHead
January 24, 2010, 07:18 PM
What ever you do, make sure they don't go to the smelter!

wally
January 24, 2010, 07:23 PM
Wife and I did our wills and should we die before selling them off to help fund retirement, half are going to the NRA the other half to the TSRA.

--wally.

alemonkey
January 24, 2010, 08:41 PM
Donating at least some of them to a group that will teach kids to shoot is a great idea. How about donating them all to a local organization, with the stipulation that they keep the .22's etc for training, and sell the others to set up a foundation that will teach shooting sports to kids?

rust collector
January 24, 2010, 09:06 PM
One possibility would be to transfer the guns to a revocable or living trust. You would be the trustee, and upon your death the successor trustee would have control of all trust assets. You could specify that the guns could be sold and proceeds would benefit your spouse if she survives. To NRA thereafter.

Tax benefits are not as good as if you were giving them away to NRA or another gun-related 501(c)(3) immediately, but you could use them until you were incapacitated, and ownership would not change upon your death.

I don't know if CA laws would affect the trustee the same way they would affect your estate. CA gun owner groups may be able to help you with that, or you can ask your lawyer

Full Metal Jacket
January 24, 2010, 09:09 PM
will them to me. i'll wait.

Strahley
January 24, 2010, 09:48 PM
I'm a younger guy, but I'll be sure to have all of my guns go to someone who I KNOW will keep them* - I couldn't stand the thought of my babies being taken to a sawblade by an anti

*given that I don't lose them all in a boating accident!

CHEVELLE427
January 24, 2010, 09:54 PM
my uncle had a few guns when he passed last year, local gun dealer tried to steel them from my aunt until i gave her the price she could get for them,

i bought some and sold some for her, i still have 2 to pay for.

one family member stole one ,,gave her $700 and there was a gun like it in GB up to $1300.

danprkr
January 24, 2010, 09:57 PM
one family member stole one ,,gave her $700 and there was a gun like it in GB up to $1300.

The worst thieves are always family. They may never pick up a penny from the sidewalk because it doesn't belong to them, but, "Because __________ was blood it's ok."

Makes you sick, but I've seen it time and again.

CHEVELLE427
January 24, 2010, 10:01 PM
NO BODY ELSE GOT ANY AFTER I GAVE HER AN UPDATED LIST

of what to ask for them

but a few did get a lot of ammo

goon
January 24, 2010, 10:13 PM
Honestly, I think in your position I might liquidate a bunch of them now and use the money to buy some decent used handguns. Then donate said handguns to law abiding citizens who are in need of protection. Obviously, you could just donate anything that fits that criteria outright.

Or just sell them on here to guys who want them. Some would say "never sell a guy!", but I'm more pragmatic. Might as well sell them to people who would appreciate and take care of them.

Ky Larry
January 24, 2010, 10:22 PM
Make sure you take care of this situation before you pass on.If you don't, it may become a burden trying to honor your wishes. I have a nephew and a cousin I would like to pass a gun to. My will states that after my death, they each will get to choose one gun from my collection and the the rest will be sold at auction and the proceeds will go to my surviving next of kin.

Hardtarget
January 25, 2010, 12:27 AM
Really, we all should think about this. My wife is clueless about my guns and their dollar value. I should do an inventory to make a value list...just so she would have a ball park figure to work with.

I'm thinking of doing a lottery...of sorts. I'll write each gun mod/serial# on a piece of paper. Then let my sons "draw" to see what they get. Let the trading begin! :D

I just don't know what is best. Maybe start with the inventory. My youngest son and his wife have mentioned child #2. Might be another grandson so I don't want to split the group until we see how the kids line up. Who knows...may be the girls turn into shooters,too!

Mark

earplug
January 25, 2010, 12:46 AM
As your in the age and mind set to sell them. Take them out of state and find a legal means to sell then to private parties without federal or state paper work. Possibly AZ. or NV.?
Do what you can to end the paper trail on your firearms.
In time the legacy of free citizens with free firearms will be more important then any other consideration.

NMGonzo
January 25, 2010, 12:50 AM
sell them to your fellow advriders

scythefwd
January 25, 2010, 01:13 AM
Take a local boy - say 18-23 years old and educate him. Take him to the range and mentor him. Leave it as a surprise when he gets them for hanging out with an old fogey. If my kids don't want my guns... This is what will happen. Nobody else in my generation will be young enough to get them, and I don't shoot with my cousins due to distance.

Erik M
January 25, 2010, 01:42 AM
Between my brothers familys and my daughter Im glad i wont have to make this decision.

If it were my decision I would go to the NRA.

MarkDozier
January 25, 2010, 03:03 AM
I am only 51, but have thought about this a bit. I don't yet ehst i will do. Butt my Kimber is going with as well as my 30-30.
Me and God we be mates and we both love guns

leadcounsel
January 25, 2010, 12:16 PM
First- whatever you decide make sure it's expressed in your will or in a trust. If you don't have one, you should. A lawyer can do it relatively inexpensively or you can do it with $30 computer software and an afternoon.

Second- I think others have suggested the NRA. Probably a good choice. They'll likely keep any unique pieces and may liquidate the rest.

I think the best way to protect the 2A is to get more people shooting at a younger age. If I were going to donate guns, I would find various schools or colleges and donate the guns to the schools on the condition that they establish a marksmanship program, firearms familiarity, or gunsmithing vocational classes or something similar; otherwise the guns would go to a second beneficiary. Schools always like free stuff, so they may take them and set up courses.

gym
January 25, 2010, 12:28 PM
Get a list prepared of friends who would be interested in buying them. When the time comes your wife can just ring them up. My uncle did that and it worked out well since he had been a member of a range for 30 odd years. Everyone knew what they wanted.

VA27
January 25, 2010, 03:11 PM
I was at a friend's house when this very subject came up. He and his son were discussing the 'division of the booty' with the younger brother when his wife piped up, "You boys aren't getting those guns after your father is gone! I'm keeping them!"

I asked her why and she replied, "I'm keeping them for bait. When Joe's gone I'm gonna need a new man!"

Your wife may want to reconsider selling at this time. :D

okespe04
January 25, 2010, 04:39 PM
Try to keep them in the family.

Bhamrichard
January 25, 2010, 05:31 PM
I asked her why and she replied, "I'm keeping them for bait. When Joe's gone I'm gonna need a new man!"

Go Mom!

ElToro
January 25, 2010, 05:56 PM
where in california are you ?

if you want to start selling off your collection now, you can probly realize better prices here than selling out of state.

i'm only 35 but i have an excel list of all my guns ( New years resoltuion is to take a photo and upload it to the excel as well). includes name make model serial, when, where, and how much i paid and also disposition of guns ( i dont sell many) also any notes like from who in family if came from (my double great grandfathers Parker and my great uncles win 94, grandfathers Auto 5, colt ltwt commander that came from a deceased friend who died at 28) my wife and dad ( assuming i have some untimely early demise) know that my best friend who works in a gun store will not screw her on price in disposing of them and that family guns should stay in the family. hopefully keep a few for my son and daughter as well. the insurance money should hold a while before she needs to start selling guns.

now when i get old and my son and daughter are grown, if they turn out to be anti-gun or dirtbags ( hopefully not!) then my nephews in texas should be good to go. if i truly have no decent family for the family guns to go to then it will be just a sad shame. maybe i'll just get buried with one or 2

figment
January 25, 2010, 06:22 PM
having thought much about this too I have made up my mind that they not be bequeathed as I feel people generally do not appreciate (as much) what they have not earned. Becoming an owner of a destructive tool such as a firearm should be a premeditated and carefully considered decision. If my wife survives me, she can sell them as she sees fit.

BlisteringSilence
January 25, 2010, 06:53 PM
Please, please, please, give them to the Boy Scouts.

The .22's can be used at the range, centerfire rifles can be used by venture hunting programs, and the rest can be sold to those who love shooting, with the stipulation that the funds be used to further the shooting sports program.

ronbuick
January 25, 2010, 06:57 PM
If you do not need the money, I believe giving them to the NRA, or if you are a vet, the VFW or a similar organization would be good, JMO, thanks.

Ron

SharpsDressedMan
January 25, 2010, 07:09 PM
This may not be for you, but I made it a point in my life to give a gun to my brothers, and several of my friends, so they could enjoy a part of me BEFORE I pass away. It was kind of neat, picking a gun that I already had that I thought that they would find interesting. My one brother is not a gun person, but I gave him a Beretta .25 from the year he was born, and told him that that type of Beretta was the "original" Bond pistol, from the books. Another friend, who always puts me up when I visit Colorado, got a S&W 296, that he enjoys carrying in the foothills of the Western Slope, sometimes packed with shotloads for snake protection. Another buddy got a pre-B CZ75, probably just to plink with, since he's a big bore guy, too. It makes me feel good to know that they can enjoy my guns while they are young, too. I won't have to wonder about where those guns are going to go, like leaving them for my daughter to sell after I'm gone.........

devildog32713
January 25, 2010, 07:56 PM
I'll take them! I'll Take them! Im a gunhappy teenager who needs more than his one shotgun! PM me

willymc
January 25, 2010, 08:37 PM
I'm not gone yet :). I still have my health and money is not a problem (yet). I still hunt 4-5 times a year, in a couple of different states. I still hunt dove, quail, duck, goose, deer, elk, bear and occasionally wild pig. I go to the range fairly regularly. I shoot .22, .25, .380, 9mm, .38, .357, .30-06 and 7mm rem. mag. Oh, almost forgot, I also shoot .35 Remington in my TC Contender. I started this thread thinking about WAY down the road. I'm not going anywhere soon unless I get hit by a truck.

searcher451
January 25, 2010, 09:39 PM
I'd check with a tax preparer and/or legal counsel about the benefits of donating them outright vs. selling them and donating the money realized from the sale to a charitable organization. When the time comes, of course -- only when the time comes.

I'm in something of the same boat, though I'm fortunate. My son has a great interest in the guns that I have and is patiently waiting his turn to own and then pass them along. (Or at least I hope that he is patiently waiting.)

FROGO207
January 25, 2010, 10:36 PM
Willy I would stay out of the middle of the road for safety.:D
I always planned on taking them all with me.:cool:
This is food for thought however as we all can't live forever. I should at least make a list as to values and who gets what as well as keep it updated.

Officers'Wife
January 26, 2010, 01:20 PM
Find a grandchild, nephew, niece or child of a friend of the family and use one of the weapons to teach him/her the art of weapons use. When the time comes gift the weapon to them. This way, you have passed on your sport to the next generation and even far into adulthood that child will remember your teaching whenever s/he uses the weapon. As well as making each gift an heirloom.

stork
January 26, 2010, 02:05 PM
Interesting thread, and one I've been pondering on.

I'm in my early 50's and although my kids are shooters/plinkers I have some long range prairie dog rifles with custom chambers and they require neck turning and Wilson dies. None of my kids have shown interest in reloading or even close to my passion in shooting.

I came up with the following solution. I'm going to keep frequenting the range until I run across a younger shooter (of legal age of course) that really admires a fine shooting firearm but due to monetary restraints can't afford anything like it. I know I was there when struggling to raise a young family with lots of bills. When I find him/her I will gift them the firearm and all pertinent reloading equipment with the requirement that they must do the same when their time comes.

FWIW
Stork

Toml
January 26, 2010, 02:20 PM
We used to get quite a few firearms donated to Ducks Unlimited. Great auction items. Everyone went home happy!

Good idea to store bills of sale and notes in the safe so that values are apparent to the executor of your estate. Instruct the executor to have items independently appraised before consigning them to anyone for sale.

kimbernut
January 26, 2010, 02:45 PM
Quote:
"one family member stole one ,,gave her $700 and there was a gun like it in GB up to $1300"
IMHO:
1) Never think GB listed guns are the market for a gun until you research it a bit more thoroughly.
2) I'd rather family and friends have them at a deal price or gift than it become a hassle for the ones left behind.

My wife knows where my list is that says who gets what. They will all be gifts to those I know will appreciate, enjoy, and take care on them to the best of their ability.

mljdeckard
January 26, 2010, 02:54 PM
Be careful.

A few years ago, there was a news story in Salt Lake, an elderly man who couldn't shoot anymore had the same problem. He called the county Sheriff dispatch, to ask for an opinion on what to do with them. The voice on the other end told him not to worry, a representative from the county would be right over to take custody of them to keep them safe. A guy came over, flashed an ID, took the guns, thanked the man, and left. (IIRC) A week or two later, the old man was seeing ads for HIS GUNS online and in the paper. The punk working dispatch had run to the guys house, taken the guns, and started selling them himself and pocketing the money. Yes, he was caught and charged.

If it was ME, I would spend some time at the local gun club, make some friends, and see what they would recommend. I'm not sure that is a feasible option for you or not.

MinnMooney
January 26, 2010, 03:03 PM
from earplug :
Do what you can to end the paper trail on your firearms.

Hear! Hear!

I wish that firearms had no serial numbers and there was no such thing as registration. No one - absolutely no one - needs to know which and how many weapons that you own.

Grey_Mana
January 26, 2010, 04:00 PM
There are some good folks who volunteer their time helping victims of violent crimes (such as battered womens' shelters). A subset of them teach men and women to defend themselves. The victims tend to be poor, to feel trapped. There is a real and unmet need for good cheap self-defense tools.

A gun can save a life.
A gun can change a life, by being the tool that sets a person free.

wilkersk
January 26, 2010, 04:21 PM
I've thought about this too. I'm still in my 50s. But, my father-in-law passed away a couple of years ago, and I'm still finding guns he had stashed away in his house.

He's had everything from an old side-by-side with exposed hammers, to a 7mm magnum with a very expensive scope on it. But, only a couple of guns that I was interested in, and one that has been passed down for several generations and has a great deal of sentimental value.

What I wish he had done is this: tell someone in the family where all the guns are, and which ones should be kept and handed down. Who they should go too. And, sell the ones that are just gathering dust before he got too sick to do anything about it, or have someone do it for him when it became apparent he'd no longer be able to get any enjoyment from them.

I've wanted to sell some of his old guns so that the money could go to help my mother-in-law pay bills. But, she insists that I should keep them because he would have wanted me to have them. There are so many, that I've sold a few, and I just use the money to help pay "rent" on the motor-home that she's still paying $500/mo for and never uses. I don't have time to use it either. But, at least its one small thing I can do.

TonyDedo
January 26, 2010, 04:27 PM
Take a local boy - say 18-23 years old and educate him. Take him to the range and mentor him. Leave it as a surprise when he gets them for hanging out with an old fogey.

+1

If there's no one in the family who'll appreciate your collection, pass them along to members of the younger generation who will.

One of the 'old timers' at my club has been gradually selling off his collection. Every few months or so he pulls something out of the back of his safe that he doesn't shoot anymore, and sells it well below market value to one of the younger guys around the club. I think he mentioned something about donating the proceeds to the juniors program at the club and Katrina victims or something of that nature. Meanwhile us younger guys have a shot at firearms we wouldn't be able to afford otherwise (and are going to appreciate that much more).

One of the guys I shoot with was given the guy's entire high power package - vintage Colt AR-15, about 5k rounds of ammo, components, reloading equipment and assorted gear - all for $500. He was ecstatic - he treasures that rifle, and shoots at all the local CMP matches.

Guys like us are trying to pick up where the older generation is leaving off - we're becoming the new RSOs and instructors, we've taken up responsibilities at our various clubs and shooting programs - but we never had family members to teach us how to shoot or pass down those treasured heirloom firearms. It really means something special when the older generation steps in and fills that void for us.

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