Please watch TREMORS the series....if ratings continue...2nd season possible


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DualBerettas
November 15, 2003, 08:11 PM
thanks!
DB

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Justin
November 15, 2003, 08:49 PM
Need to see some gun-related content...

Mark Tyson
November 15, 2003, 08:54 PM
Let's list the guns of Burt Gummer, penultimate survivalist of the Tremors series and movies. The ones that I recall include:

A bolt action .375 H&H magnum with wood furniture - a fairly good choice for hunting big animals, maybe you big game hunters could chime in on this one.
Burt gives two guns in this caliber, in side-by-side configuration, to his partners in the 2nd movie.
"I got something that'll calm him down: 375 H and H mag!"

A LAR Grizzly .50 BMG caliber single shot rifle - one of the more economical .50's out there, this gun is featured in Tremors 2.

A Barrett 82 .50 BMG - the big daddy of .50 BMG rifles and one of the few semi-autos out there. Some say it's not accurate enough out of the box but a man with Burt's financial resources could afford any level of customization necessary to bring it up to par. If you can get over the implausibility of Burt firing the gun off-hand(it doesn't even appear to have a bipod on it!) this is a pretty good choice for killing whale-sized man eating monsters.

A stainless steel .50 Desert Eagle - an overused gun as far as movie props go, but not quite as absurd given the animals Burt Gummer is facing.

In the 2nd and 3rd movies Burt carries some kind of stainless steel automatic sidearm - possibly a Taurus.

In the first movie, Gummer uses what appears to be a 4 bore side-by-side elephant gun to deliver the coup de grace to the monster that invades his basement. "Broke into the wrong ******* recroom didn't you?!"

Burt briefly uses what looks like an HK91 in one episode in the series to kill one of the heat-seeking monsters, though I can't remember which one.

A generic selective fire M-16/AR-15 type rifle with a collapsible stock is used in at least 2 episodes.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/352259/holdout.gif

Nightfall
November 15, 2003, 10:40 PM
Just to throw fuel into the fire:

Michael Gross, the actor who plays Burt Gummer, is on the list of anti-gun celebrities.

DMK
November 15, 2003, 10:44 PM
Coincidence, I just saw this for the first time last night. It was mildly entertaining. One interesting part though was where they run out of ammo and have to raid some guy's collection of antique muzzle loaders before the creatures attack. Since these weapons are hardly rapid fire capable, they get a bunch of the local kids and setup volley fire on the creatures. Pretty cool!

DualBerettas
November 15, 2003, 11:32 PM
Nightfall he has changed, ever since going through the Tremors movies and the series...he used to belong to Brady...but then joined the NRA. Heard him say this in an interview.

He also owns some guns and has prepared himself for earthquakes so he has some survival gear.

His politics have changed A LOT since that list came out.

Burt has a Desert Eagle in #1 and #3. In #2 he has a pair of INOX DUAL Berettas:D

In #2 he says...not shotguns...double rifles, 480 (or was it 460) Richards, .375 H and H mag,...KNOCK down power up the ying yang...TREAT them well.....but hold 'em good and tight to your shoulder or you'll break your collar bone.

Blows a shrieker to have with the grizzly .50BMG...

Earl: "You smoked his azz"
Burt: "Doin' what I can with what I got"

All three movies and the series have quotes that us gun enthusiasts love as well as questioning the gov.

One more quote then i'll stop (YOU REALLY should see these movies and watch the series on Sci Fi)

Burt: "The reason I'm out of 9mm rounds is because I was not fully briefed...AND the reason for that is...this mission was NOT PROPERLY RESEARCHED. If certain people, had bothered to gather intelligence on the creatures before...BUMBLING into the situation...we wouldn't be out here with single shot big bores when we should be packing FULL AUTO....PREFERABLY BELT FED!!!!!!"

DB

Dave R
November 16, 2003, 12:22 AM
I think I'm gonna start a new tradition and do mindless reloading tasks during Tremors, the Series. Hand-priming or chamfering or something. After all, reloading has been an important plot device in the show.

In the first movie, vibrations from Burt's tumbler bring the Graboid to the Rec room.

In the series, there's an episode where some folks get locked in his basement. He talks them through the process of using a kinetic bullet puller to take some cartridges apart and make an explosive charge to to blow the door free. Shown with proper technique, too!

Its kinda like, you have to fondle your Garand during "Band of Brothers" (if you have one.) I have to use my reloading gear during Tremors.

Daedalus
November 16, 2003, 12:24 AM
When is this show on and what channel?

MAKOwner
November 16, 2003, 12:49 AM
I thought it was already cancelled. Is that incorrect, or have the re-runs been getting enough viewers that they are debating bringing it back to life?

I loved it, seen all the episodes. Not as good as the movies, noticeably more cheesy/lowbudget (and they were already cheesy/lowbudget so...) but I still liked it. My favorite episode is the one where the shriekers get away from that stupid training experiment and everyone runs to Burt's place for cover. Where he arms a couple of them and they promptly gun down somwhere around a dozen, oh yeah!!

Burt is my own personal hero, lol...

To Burt: "Burt, anyone ever tell you you give a whole meaning to the word Overkill???"
Burt: "When you need it, and don't have it, you sing a different tune..."

I also love it how the liberals/animal rights freaks usually end up either eating Crow, or getting eaten themselves in the series. Fitting...

Andrew Rothman
November 16, 2003, 04:47 AM
Michael Gross on guns:

MGROSS: People often ask me if I own guns. I should say I own a Mossberg pump action 12ga shotgun

MGROSS: I've belonged to both the NRA and Handgun Control Inc

MGROSS: That may make me bipolar

MGROSS: As much as i love weapons, I'm a friend of the Brady's and believe in sensable controls Sci Fi Channel live chat, 4/10/2003
http://www.scifi.com/transcripts/2003/mgross4.10.html

Further, Gross is CURRENTLY on the Brady Campaign national committee.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=14

His anti-gun views go back for decades.

Note of interest: Gross, a supporter of handgun control for years, was so nervous about handling guns in the film that he took lessons at a shooting range, working with assorted semiautomatic handguns, revolvers and shotguns. He said he enjoyed target practice so much he now favors allowing handguns for target shooting, kept under lock and key at home, of course. WASHINGTON POST 11/27/88
http://www.brucegreenwood.com/mov-tv/fbi/wash_post881127.htm


From a 2001 interview:
I have a great respect for weapons. I’m not afraid of them. In fact, like anyone, I get a pure testosterone rush from them, which is why I think they’re so dangerous....

I’m actually a gun control person. Someone said to me once, “Would you want that right taken away?” I said, “Oh, my God, yes! Take it away from me in a minute! The only reason I own a gun is because I assume everyone else in the United States does as well.”http://www.roughedge.com/videoverdicts/features/michaelgrossinterview.htm

semf
November 16, 2003, 05:05 AM
O K so he's pro-gun as long as it is on his approved gun list.
I don't see how you could an NRA supporting Bradyite that would be as ridiculous as PETA buying stock in a steak restaurant

BluesBear
November 16, 2003, 06:50 AM
MGROSS: People often ask me if I own guns. I should say I own a Mossberg pump action 12ga shotgun
MGROSS: I've belonged to both the NRA and Handgun Control Inc
MGROSS: That may make me bipolar
MGROSS: As much as i love weapons, I'm a friend of the Brady's and believe in sensable controls

Note quite, that makes him an Enigmatic Oxymoron.

Sergeant Bob
November 16, 2003, 07:16 AM
semf I don't see how you could an NRA supporting Bradyite that would be as ridiculous as PETA buying stock in a steak restaurant
Ya mean like Outback Sprouthouse?:D

Mark Tyson
November 16, 2003, 08:56 AM
Here's more Michael Gross:

Well, that's why survivalists have guns. I never really thought about it. You know, survivalists were so associated with guns and things like that. I did a lot of reading, particularly with the first "Tremors" movie, about the survivalist movement and realized, of course, that they weren't necessarily violent people but the guns were there because when all your neighbors who were not prepared came knocking at your door, you had to have a way to keep them at a distance. Because the ones who are going to pooh-pooh you are the first ones who will be there saying, "Can I have some of that water of yours?"

By the way, on the movie website it lists the guns used in Tremors 2 as a Wesley Richards 480 and a 375 caliber h&H mag(these are the ones given to Burt's partners).

Let me say that it's the character of Burt Gummer we love, not the actor who plays him. There's a little Burt in all of us . . .

Andrew Rothman
November 16, 2003, 01:22 PM
Too bad Gross sees Burt not as a responsible, self-sufficient character, but a paranoid psycho.MG: Well, I love Burt. You know, there's a little scene in the third movie that is quintessential Burt. Burt is so fear-driven that he's a paranoid, ultimately, but a comic paranoid. And there's a scene in which he goes up to his house to punch in his keycode on his pad. But before he does, he takes a good look around and stands in front of the pad - there's nobody there for miles! - but he blocks the keypad with his body. Because Burt would rightly assume that there's somebody in the hills with a high-powered telescope who wants his keypad information, wants the code. Now that's the level of paranoia. Does it get funny? Yeah, because it's just so over the top. I love that. I love that about him. It's inherent in the fact that he has no sense of humor. It's because he doesn't consider life funny that we find him funny and his extremes which are so marvelous in human behavior.
http://www.roughedge.com/videoverdicts/features/michaelgrossinterview.htm

Hatchett
November 16, 2003, 01:44 PM
He also used a very large revolver in one episode. I think it was a Dan Wesson .445 SuperMag.

I thought Tremors was already cancelled?

Baba Louie
November 16, 2003, 02:50 PM
"I can't believe I ran out of ammunition. That has NEVER happened before!"
(or words to that effect...)

Adios

Dave R
November 16, 2003, 02:59 PM
Too bad Gross sees Burt not as a responsible, self-sufficient character, but a paranoid psycho.

Ahh, but the show keeps proving Burt right...

Even in the 2nd movie, one of the Characters says "We'll have to stop teasing you about your lifestyle..."

Sure, Burt is a caricature. The character is an exaggeration. But he's always the one who bails everyone else out...

Just a thought.

MAKOwner
November 16, 2003, 08:55 PM
Yes, I've noticed that as much as they make him out to be a paranoid nut, and many jokes are at his paranoid expense, he is proven right time after time and his doubters come off with egg on their face... Burt saves the day every damn time...

DualBerettas
November 16, 2003, 09:35 PM
Burt is slowly changing...he was more anti gun...now he owns guns and said he had a blast shooting that dual .50BMG turret mount..

his views are slowly coming around and he has also said he is NOT a fan of big government...if he actually WAS like the Tremors character and DID have all of those convictions...why would he say that in an interview...?

Sci FI channel....
http://www.scifi.com/tremors

Dave R
November 16, 2003, 11:39 PM
When is this show on and what channel?

Friday, 6pm on the Sci Fi channel here....

Repeat at 10pm. So no excuse to miss it.

Mike Irwin
November 17, 2003, 12:02 AM
I tried watching it.

I got about 10 minutes into it and wanted to barf.

Sorry...

DualBerettas
November 17, 2003, 02:49 PM
10 min....glad you gave it a chance....:rolleyes:

Andrew Rothman
November 17, 2003, 02:49 PM
Burt is slowly changing...he was more anti gun...now he owns guns and said he had a blast shooting that dual .50BMG turret mount..

his views are slowly coming around and he has also said he is NOT a fan of big government...if he actually WAS like the Tremors character and DID have all of those convictions...why would he say that in an interview...?

DualBerettas, did you read what I wrote? HE IS ON THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE OF THE BRADY CAMPAIGN.

He is most decidedly NOT coming around.

It was April 2003 that he saidI'm a friend of the Brady's and believe in sensable controls

I think we can safely say that he hasn't changed very much.

Oh, and the actor is Michael Gross. The character is Burt. You do understand the difference, right?

Mike Irwin
November 17, 2003, 03:24 PM
"10 min....glad you gave it a chance...."


Let's see...

Terrible acting. Check.

Terrible dialog. Check.

Missing plot. Check.

Mediocre production. Check.

Why should I give it "a chance" when the first 10 minutes stank so badly that I was laughing out loud?

10 minutes, no that doesn't sound like a lot, until you figure that the entire "1 hour" show is actually closer to 48 minutes...

So, I watched just shy of a quarter of the show.

I think that is by far enough time to determine whether or not a particular show is of any interest to me.

But, just to show that I'm a fair person, the next episode of this scintilating, debonair, and erudite television extravaganza will be broadcast on December 5 at 8 p.m.

I'll try watching again.

Mike Irwin
November 17, 2003, 03:26 PM
Oh, Michael Gross is on the Brady Campaign? Good information to have about a hack actor.

I thought that when he was on Family Ties, by the way. I kept hoping for a "very special episode" in which the family hosts the Mendenez Brothers. Never happened. sigh...

I retract my original statement in which I said I'd watch it on December 5.

Cancel away, please.

shermacman
November 17, 2003, 03:42 PM
Tremors was a stoopid movie.
There, I said it.
I feel better, really...

Mark Tyson
November 17, 2003, 04:30 PM
It's the characters that we love or hate, not the actors who play them. We don't hate the guys who play Richard III, we hate Richard III the character because he's a sociopathic tyrant(yet we're fascinated by him too). And that's what these movies are: character studies. We don't really care about the giant monsters he fights, and even his guns are secondary in importance. To me he will never be some washed up actor with conflicted political views. To me he will always be lonely, paranoid Burt Gummer, tough yet vulnerable, hiding in his bunker, surrounded by his guns, waiting for the world to end.

Tremors was a stoopid movie.

Nothing nice to say, huh? Come on, it was a spoof for crying out loud.

Mike Irwin
November 17, 2003, 04:32 PM
Hey, Airplane was a spoof, and it was MINDBENDINGLY STUPID!

And yes, I find it very easy to hate not only the character but the actor who plays the character.

I also find it easy to love the character, and hate the actor, or vice versa.

DualBerettas
November 17, 2003, 07:17 PM
hope you write your congressman and senators seeing you have time to write in a thread about something you don't like.

Compared to Gross's views in 1990 when the first Tremors came out...YES he IS making progress. Sensible controls and I own a Mossberg is a HUGE step from I'm all for banning guns...some people take a while to fully convert.

DB

Smoke
November 17, 2003, 07:30 PM
Never seen it. Probably won't.
Watching it will only have an effect if your a "Nielsen Family"

Smoke

Mike Irwin
November 18, 2003, 12:48 AM
And just think of all the good you could be doing, instead of watching absolute crap on TV...

:rolleyes:

Cosmoline
November 18, 2003, 11:29 AM
Tremors a stupid movie!?! I'm sorry, but the first film is an all-time classic. It's the best B monster movie tribute ever. The second and third films are good, but not as good.

The series hasn't impressed me that much, but I'm pretty mad at Sci Fi for cancelling Farscape, which I had become addicted to. I suspect whether or not they keep it has a lot more to do with the budget than ratings. Farscape was well rated, but cost a fortune to make.

Andrew Rothman
November 18, 2003, 11:34 AM
YES he IS making progress.

He's a Bradyite, and you think he's making progress because he has a shotgun?

Oooooooookay.

Cosmoline
November 18, 2003, 11:37 AM
I don't care much what the actors do or think, as long as they aren't vocally anti-gun. THe CHARACTER Burt is one of the best gun nut/survivalists ever. I still hope to have a wall o' weapons half as good as his.

buzz_knox
November 18, 2003, 11:54 AM
THe CHARACTER Burt is one of the best gun nut/survivalists ever.

Actually, Burt is what the Brady bunch wants Americans to see gunowners as: paranoid psychotics who believe violence is generally the first and best option to a given situation.

Cosmoline
November 18, 2003, 12:23 PM
I think you're taking it way to seriously. Anyway, I find a lot of humorous similarities between myself and Burt. I don't think he's supposed to be seen as a psycho. And anyway, what do you people have against being prepared?

buzz_knox
November 18, 2003, 12:30 PM
I don't think he's supposed to be seen as a psycho. And anyway, what do you people have against being prepared?

Really? His friends all describe him as psycho, and not in the "friendly" sense, and he clearly makes them nervous. He is also depicted as chronically "on edge", and disrespectful of any authority yet appeals to his own authority in any situation.

And as for your attempted red herring, I've got nothing against people being prepared or survivalists in general. But I don't think the character at issue, Burt, does much to promote our cause.

DualBerettas
November 21, 2003, 11:18 AM
going from all guns should be banned to i'm in the NRA and have a Mossberg ARE a step IMO...

Also, if you watch the movies and the series, Burt usually is right about things and people are liking him more and agreeing with him.

In night of the shriekers, Burt uses his HK33 to blast shriekers while Tyler with AR15 and Rosalita with a 12 ga. pump (she says "i want to help Burt, I can hit anything with that pump shotgun)...then a gov. lady burns out Burt's ammo stash and all three of them get VERY mad at her. If you watch it, it is pro gun...the director even got Burt's LAR Grizzly as a gift after Tremors 2.

I still don't understand why people who don't like Tremors would respond to this post...time they would be better served writing their congress people or replying to another thread.

DB

George Hill
November 21, 2003, 12:02 PM
So TREMORS is doing more for the RKBA than the NRA is...

I think I am going to break down and cry now...

Dave R
November 21, 2003, 12:45 PM
Actually, Burt is what the Brady bunch wants Americans to see gunowners as: paranoid psychotics who believe violence is generally the first and best option to a given situation.

You haven't watched the Series, have you?

Now that Burt's character is the hero, rather than Kevin Bacon, his character is much more rounded and sympathetic. There's a dash of Mcguyver there. The guy who's been there/done that and bails everyone out.

And who said Tremors has done more for RKBA than the NRA? I didn't see anyone say that?

Its a live-action cartoon, fer crying out loud. Not a true-life drama. But a its a good example of its genre.

Andrew Rothman
November 21, 2003, 12:59 PM
going from all guns should be banned to i'm in the NRA and have a Mossberg ARE a step IMO...

You know, it's okay to like the show, but you seem to have a tenuous grasp on reality if you think that a CURRENT NATIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBER OF THE BRADY CAMPAIGN is pro-gun.

:rolleyes:

DualBerettas
November 21, 2003, 03:23 PM
ok, but, he WAS for banning guns and a member of Brady, now he is in the NRA and owns a few guns and has researched survivalists and has prepared for earthquakes...how is that not a step?

Expecting anti's to go straight to GOA in one fell swoop is wishful thinking...we learn in steps...

DB

Sunspot
November 21, 2003, 03:52 PM
I like to watch Tremors because it's funny.
I thought Tremors was already cancelled? In the middle of the season Sci-Fi stopped showing it for about a month even though it was listed in TV guides.
Coincidence, I just saw this for the first time last night. It was mildly entertaining. One interesting part though was where they run out of ammo and have to raid some guy's collection of antique muzzle loaders before the creatures attack. Since these weapons are hardly rapid fire capable, they get a bunch of the local kids and setup volley fire on the creatures. Pretty cool! That was the season finale. On the Sci-Fi channel, the first and last episodes are always the best.
Reruns are being aired at this time.
I still hope to have a wall o' weapons half as good as his.That was in the Tremors movies. In the series, the "wall" is suprisingly empty and the reloading bench is gone and all his ammo is in a trunk, for Gods sake.:cuss:
I still find the show amusing.

TheOtherOne
November 21, 2003, 05:14 PM
Bad movies are some of the best films to watch and the original Tremors is one of my favorites. I originally rented it when I was in my 80's/early 90's horror movie phase (okay, I'm still in that phase) and loved it, even though it wasn't much of a horror movie.

Mike Irwin
November 21, 2003, 05:28 PM
If you want a good bad gun movie, Army of Darkness is on tonight...

Forget what channel, but it's one of the national broadcast cable ones...

DualBerettas
November 21, 2003, 07:39 PM
taken from an interview...MG is Michael Gross...

VV: When you watch the "Tremors" films, that's one thing that's very obvious. You're having fun.

MG: My wife swears that it rubs off on my real life, too. Certainly, living in Los Angeles part-time. I have repeatedly one of the best earthquake kits of anybody in Los Angeles county. When the kids moved out, I got rid of some of my water. I used to have two 55 gallon barrels of drinking water behind the house along with several barrels of batteries and bandages and, you name it, I have it. It's got a little smaller since the kids moved out.

VV: Well, that Burt paranoia might not be such a bad thing. You never know when you might need it.

MG: The next thing you know, there'll be a collision with an asteroid, and then where would we be.

VV: Everybody will be coming over to your house for water.

MG: Well, that's why survivalists have guns. I never really thought about it. You know, survivalists were so associated with guns and things like that. I did a lot of reading, particularly with the first "Tremors" movie, about the survivalist movement and realized, of course, that they weren't necessarily violent people but the guns were there because when all your neighbors who were not prepared came knocking at your door, you had to have a way to keep them at a distance. Because the ones who are going to pooh-pooh you are the first ones who will be there saying, "Can I have some of that water of yours?"

DB

Mark Tyson
November 21, 2003, 08:00 PM
If you want a good bad gun movie, Army of Darkness is on tonight...

Oh man! Now you've done it! You Lampoon Tremors as stupid but you're an AOD fan?!? "Oh, but that's different!" Right? Yeah, that's filled with intelligent social commentary and fantastic performances.

ARRRggh! You've made me so angry I'm going to buy more ammo. See what you've done?

*composes self*

By the way, it is on AMC, for your information.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=619114

"Lady, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask you to leave the store."

Mike Irwin
November 22, 2003, 02:17 AM
The reason why Army of Darkness is a good bad gun movie?

Because it goes to GREAT lengths to make fun of itself.

It KNOWS it's a BS movie, and it revels in it.

TexasVet
November 22, 2003, 02:28 AM
Why should I give it "a chance" when the first 10 minutes stank so badly that I was laughing out loud?
UH... it's pretty much a comedy, so that's what you were supposed to be doing!:D

Mike Irwin
November 22, 2003, 03:49 PM
It wasn't commedy laughing I was doing, TexVet.

It was that slightly sick, disgusted laugh...

John Harrison
November 22, 2003, 04:12 PM
Alright you primitive screw-heads, listen up. See this? This is my boom stick! The 12-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right, shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?

Couldn't resist...

Andrew Rothman
November 22, 2003, 08:37 PM
ok, but, he WAS for banning guns and a member of Brady, now he is in the NRA

NO! He IS IS IS currently a member of the National Committee of the Brady campaign. Currently! As of 6/2003!!!!

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=14

I don't think the NRA would leave him on the ant-gun list if he'd come over to our side.

Use yer brain.

TheOtherOne
November 22, 2003, 11:58 PM
I guess it can just be like this: Love the acting, hate the actor.

Like if your mother is anti-gun... you can still love her cooking but just hate the cook.



:scrutiny:

Mike Irwin
November 23, 2003, 12:28 AM
"Love the actor, hate the acting."

Only in this case the acting stinks as badly as the actor.

2dogs
November 23, 2003, 03:40 PM
For better or worse Tremors fans, there is now a Tremors IV: The Legend Begins out on video (or soon to be released- I saw an advance copy last night). Takes place in 1800's Nevada and purports to show how Burt's ancestor came to fight the first creatures and how the clan became gun fans- Michael Gross is in it. Pretty bad, but if you are a fan (I'm not- at least none but the original movie) check it out.:)

MAKOwner
November 23, 2003, 11:22 PM
Damn, I love Tremors but that sounds damn stupid... Say it ain't a back in time thing?!?!

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