[Hedning]

I havent been in here for a while... But now I got a new question for ya all.

I wonder where the hell I can find a reproduction of the Whitworth rifle. Iv been Googling for hours, and the only one I can find is Euroarms, Italy. Good for me since I live in Europe. But isnt there any other companies that make them? Pretty stiff price to be a reproduction too. And you have to pay extra if you want the Parker Hale stamp on it. How stupid is that?!

Have a great one.....

[paintballdude902]

check with dixie gun works

[Sunray]

"...stiff price to be a reproduction..." Yep. Pedersoli made one. Runs $1200US, Stateside. Not seeing it on their site though. http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/?lang=en
Dixie Gun Works makes their own version. $1095US. Don't know if they export.
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/default.php?osCsid=a6a28cb50a30667f5c9e39865c35f957

[Hedning]

I found Dixie Gun... If I read their info right they get their rifles from EuroArms Italy. So its easier for me import from the Italians. No problem with import license from the USA either, but the problem is to find a dealer with an export license over there.

I guess I have to save some money. Going to pick up a Remington 1858 tomorrow (Pietta). Before that Im going to a guided tour at the Norma factory. Just me and a friend of mine that knows one of the big guys there.....Its going to be a nice weekend.

Ha en jævlig fin dag
Hedning

[Mike OTDP]

If your are determined to have a Whitworth, wait and get an honest English-made Parker-Hale. They were made to a higher standard than the Italian guns.

If you are just looking for a good long-range rifle, the Pedersoli Gibbs is considered the top production rifle. You would have to go to a custom maker like Andy Baumkircher to beat it.

[arcticap]

Maybe Henry Krank in Britain can help you?

http://www.henrykrank.com/muzzle_loading_pistols_long_guns.html

1181 Pedersoli Mortimer Whitworth Rifle £965.00
1181D Pedersoli Mor. Whitworth Rifle D/L £2,596.00

[dbm]

The Pedersoli Mortimer Whitworth is not a hexagonally bored rifle as developed by Joseph Whitworth, and famously used by sharpshooters in the American Civil War. In fact Pedersoli have never made Whitworth rifle.

The "Whitworth" tag of the Pedersoli Mortimer comes from the name of the competition the rifle is marketed to be used in. The MLAIC (http://www.mlaic.org) name all their competitions and the 'Whitworth' match is for target rifles fired prone at 100m.

David

Long Range Muzzle Loader - www.lrml.org

[Hedning]

AHA:....Very usefull information about that Italian Withworth reproduction. Damn Italians...... And yes, its the accuracy Im looking for. If the Gibbs can make good groupings at 300m, I might concider that one. Ill contact my english friends and let them do some reasearch.

Thanks a lot for all the advice and recomondations. I love american forums, you get answers and advice within a second.


Have a great weekend.

[millsman]

http://www.jcunard.com/

[dbm]

The Pedersoli Gibbs is the most popular mid/long range rifle on the market, based on the large number in use in last years World Long Range Championships. In so far as I am aware only two Whitworths were used and these were both original rifles.

Whilst Whitworth established the principles of relating bullet weight and rifling twist rate, other makers improved on the principles. By the late 1860s in match rifle shooting Whitworth was being ousted by the likes of the Gibbs-Metford and Rigby match rifles.

David

[Al LaVodka]

The "stamp" on the more expensive guns you refer to is for, and only supposed to be on (here), Parker-Hale English barrels on a nicely made Italian platform such as mine.
Al

[millsman]

http://www.fultonsofbisley.com/z_gallery/antiques/whittang.jpg

If you decide to purchase,first contact Bill Curtis who is tracking all Whitworth rifles for his opinion on the correctness of this rifle


billcurtisra@yahoo.co.uk


W. S. Curtis, A.C.I.I.,
Vice President (Hon.), Crimean War Research Society,
HBSA (Hon. Life),
Assistant Curator, Museum of the National Rifle Association,
Whitworth Rifle Research Project,
MLAGB, NLRC, ATRA, &c.

[4v50 Gary]

Here's an original snub-nose one for 2,450 pounds. Link (http://www.henrykrank.com/fpmr119.html)

http://www.henrykrank.com/Website%20Images/Antique%20Pictures/FPMR%20pics/fpmr119.jpg

Consider that the Confederates paid $1,000 in gold for each Whitworth, that would be about 500 $20 gold coins today or over $50k, their asking price is relatively cheap. ;)

[Al LaVodka]

Maybe Henry Krank in Britain can help you?

http://www.henrykrank.com/muzzle_loading_pistols_long_guns.html

1181 Pedersoli Mortimer Whitworth Rifle £965.00
1181D Pedersoli Mor. Whitworth Rifle D/L £2,596.00
1173 P/H Whitworth 3Band Rifle £935.00

[Hedning]

Thank you for all your responses and links.... I was at the range on sunday, having great fun with me 1858... little cold. Getting the caps fit like they should was not easy after a few rounds in -15c.

Anyway, I asked arround about the Withwort rifle. And it turned out that several guys actually had used them. But most of the guys had turned them in for a Gibbs. They found Gibbs easier to deal with, and accuracy didnt suffer that much. Not for the ranges the most. Seldom over 200 yds.

Im concidering a second revolver for the western shooting. And I really want an Uberti Schofield or a Russian. I have always loved the look of those guns. But I dont know how well it performs with blackpowder. I know its good with modern powder. Anybody ever had one in here??

[rusty from italy]

The "stamp" on the more expensive guns you refer to is for, and only supposed to be on (here), Parker-Hale English barrels on a nicely made Italian platform such as mine.


Be in italy sometimes help to get info, i talked with Mr Amadi of Euroarms few years ago to get info on my henry rifle barrel volunteer, he sayd that ALL the barrel were made by Parker-Hale, when they dismissed production in UK all the ready part come in Italy, the higher price on the PH stamped barrel ar only for a royalties they pay to PH for his logo.
When they will finish the barrel maybe they stop the production of this kind of rifle (both, A.Henry and Withworth rifle)
ciao
Rusty

[Hedning]

Be in italy sometimes help to get info, i talked with Mr Amadi of Euroarms few years ago to get info on my henry rifle barrel volunteer, he sayd that ALL the barrel were made by Parker-Hale, when they dismissed production in UK all the ready part come in Italy, the higher price on the PH stamped barrel ar only for a royalties they pay to PH for his logo.
When they will finish the barrel maybe they stop the production of this kind of rifle (both, A.Henry and Withworth rifle)
ciao
Rusty


Thats what Iv heard too. I dont need the show of stamp....as long as the barrel is good.

One question though. The original whitworth barrel, was that progressive? And are those reproductions made the same way??

[Al LaVodka]

Interesting... But apparently some Italian guns were just MARKED P-H and are not for sale in US. I am dubious that all were/are/ still are P-H barrels if not marked.

As for progressive rifling, I think that is a P-53 attribute to this day. Not sure it makes sense for a Whitworth Hex bullet.

Al

[dbm]

QUOTE >> They found Gibbs easier to deal with, and accuracy didnt suffer that much.

Accuracy should not 'suffer'. Whilst Whitworth established the principles of smaller bore and faster twist, his rifling system by the mid-1860s was being supplanted by others, notably Metford and Rigby.

The original Whitworth was not progressive depth rifling, although as noted above, the Enfield was.

.... and for the avoidance of doubt the Whitworth had uniform rifling twist of 1:20. It was not gain twist.

David

[Hedning]

Accuracy should not 'suffer'. Whilst Whitworth established the principles of smaller bore and faster twist, his rifling system by the mid-1860s was being supplanted by others, notably Metford and Rigby.

The original Whitworth was not progressive depth rifling, although as noted above, the Enfield was.

.... and for the avoidance of doubt the Whitworth had uniform rifling twist of 1:20. It was not gain twist.

David




Thank you. Ill see what I can find over here before I place an order with the Italians.