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zstephens13
January 27, 2010, 07:07 PM
My friend is a huge Glock fan. When I showed him the attached picture that I found in a different thread on THR, this was our coversation:

Him: That's the only Glock that has ever broken. Some guy in Iraq ran it over with a tank.
Me: How did he get a Glock in Iraq?
Him: He brought it.
Me: You can't bring your own guns. They give you everything you can bring (My dad is a readiness flight chief who confirmed this)
Him: Well then it must have been issued to him. They issue a full-auto Glock 18 to everybody in Iraq, just like in Call of Duty.
Me: The only pistols they issues are the M1911 to special groups, M9, and the M11, a smaller version of the M9.
Him: You are wrong.

I realize that neither of us are experts, so let me ask the experts here.
1. Does the United States military issue any form of a Glock to deployed soldiers?
2. What happened to this Glock?

Thanks for all your help.

Z

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Nasty
January 27, 2010, 07:15 PM
ROFLMAO

Yes, Glocks also go Ka-BOOM

LeontheProfessional
January 27, 2010, 07:19 PM
That particular Glock probably blew up either from someone using the wrong ammo or from using reloads. The problem with using reloads in a Glock is that the chamber has some amount of play, which is why they are so reliable. the casings expand in a Glock causing them to weaken after one or two or three reloads, BOOM, You get an explosion. There was also some reported cases of people using 45acp in 45gap or vice versa and getting similar results.

StarDust1
January 27, 2010, 07:28 PM
I highly doubt that particular Glock was a KaBoom. It could be, but if it was, it almost certainly took the guys hand off in the process...
As to seeing service with US troops, maybe, but only spec ops I would think, though many many contractors choose to carry them...

LeontheProfessional
January 27, 2010, 07:32 PM
I don't know about any more but I do know that certain special forces are allowed more variety when picking their firearms. I have a buddy who is an EOD that works with the SEALS and he says that some of the guys use Sigs. With that being said, I doubt a Glock is far fetched.

mljdeckard
January 27, 2010, 07:41 PM
M-11s ARE Sigs, not 'small Berettas'. No, you can't take your own guns. (If ONLY we were allowed to.)

Look, all machines eventually fail. It's a question of the likelihood of WHEN. What you like to shoot is a matter of preference, but most people, using the correct (jacketed) ammo will never hurt a Glock no matter how hard they try.

hogshead
January 27, 2010, 07:50 PM
Wish I could find the pic of that Super Redhawk that blew up.

carbon9mm
January 27, 2010, 07:52 PM
From the photo that is a 2nd gen Glock so I would doubt that would have been issued. I have heard that Glock 17s are being issued to the Iraqi police (not a 100% on that), but thats what i heard. Maybe one you guys can confirm this or not?

Strahley
January 27, 2010, 08:07 PM
"just like in call of duty"

I wouldn't listen to anyone who mentions this in their argument

zstephens13
January 27, 2010, 08:20 PM
Thank you for the correction on the M11.
I just knew it wasn't a Glock!

REAPER4206969
January 27, 2010, 08:21 PM
Iraqi military and police are the largest single users of Glock pistols in the world. Also:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/mpnet/193829.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c42/mrmedinaG21/GIGlock.jpg

REAPER4206969
January 27, 2010, 08:22 PM
M11 is a SIG P228.

Quiet
January 27, 2010, 08:24 PM
hmmm...

REAPER4206969
January 27, 2010, 08:26 PM
Users

* Australia: Royal Australian Air Force (Glock 19), Australian Customs (Glock 17), and all Australian police services (Glock 17, 19, 22, 23, 26, 27) except the South Australia Police and Victoria Police. A Glock 17 outfitted with a thumb safety was designed specifically for the Tasmania Police.[46]
* Austria: Austrian Armed Forces (Glock 17 designated Pistole 80).[47][48]
* Belgium: Belgian police (Glock 17),[48] Belgian State Security Service.[49]
* Canada: Numerous local law enforcement agencies to include: Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Saskatoon, South Coast British Columbia Transportation Authority Police Service, Toronto.[48]
* Ecuador: National Police, various special police units such as the GOE and GIR.[48]
* Fiji: Tactical Response Unit.[50]
* Finland: The primary service firearm of the police.[51] Also in use by the Defence Forces, Department of Corrections (Vankeinhoitolaitos) and Border Guard.[52]
* France: French Army—certain naval and parachute units (Glock 17).[53]
* Georgia: Special forces.[48]
* Germany: GSG 9 of the German Federal Police,[48] Spezialeinsatzkommandos (special response teams) of several state police departments.
* Greenland: Used by Siriuspatruljen (Glock 20) [54]
* Hong Kong: Special Duties Unit, Hong Kong Police Force.[48]
* Iceland: Icelandic National Police, Víkingasveitin, ICRU.[55][56][57]
* India: National Security Guards (Glock 17).[48]
* Iraq: Iraqi security forces (largest user, purchased 125,163 Glock 19s).[58]
* Jordan: Presidential Guard.[48]
* Latvia: Latvian Military (Glock 17), police.[59]
* Lebanon: Used by various police and army units.[citation needed]
* Lithuania: Lithuanian Armed Forces (Glock 17).[60]
* Luxembourg: Glock 17 and 26 variants used by the Unité Spéciale de la Police of the Grand Ducal Police.[61][62]
* Malaysia: Various forces of Malaysian Armed Forces and Royal Malaysian Police units.[63]
* Mexico: Secretaria de Marina.[48]
* Montenegro: Military of Montenegro [64]
* Netherlands: Military of the Netherlands (Glock 17),[65] Dutch police (Glock 17, about 250 pistols in use as a stopgap measure).[66][67][68]
* New Zealand: New Zealand Police (Glock 17).[69]
* Norway: Royal Norwegian Army (Glock 17 designated P-80).[48]
* Philippines: Philippine National Police, National Bureau of Investigation (NBI), National Intelligence Coordinating Agency (NICA), Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency (PDEA).[48]
* Poland: Polish police,[70] Polish Military Police (Glock 17).
* Russia: Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD).[71][72]
* Spain: Guardia Civil's UEI (Glock 17).[73]
* Sweden: Swedish Armed Forces (Glock 17 designated Pistol 88 and Glock 19 as Pistol 88B,[74][75]) Swedish Customs Service, Swedish Coast Guard.
* Switzerland : Police (Gendarmerie) Cantonal of Geneva are equipped with the Glock 19[76] The Glarus Cantonal Police also use the Glock 19.
* Thailand: Policeman in 3 south province by G2G buying condition. (Glock 19, 2,238 pcs.) and some policeman, soldier and citizen nationwide. (some models)[48]
* United Kingdom: Greater Manchester Police, Tactical Firearms Unit Specialist Firearms Command of the London Metropolitan Police Service,[77] Police Service of Northern Ireland and certain Scottish Police Specialist Firearms Units (Glock 17).[78]
* United States: Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department of Treasury IRS Criminal Investigation Division,[79] DEA,[80] EPA Criminal Investigation Division, New York City Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Philadelphia Police Department, thousands of other agencies at the national, state, and local levels.
* Venezuela[48]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol

REAPER4206969
January 27, 2010, 08:28 PM
2. What happened to this Glock?
Uncle Gooch and his reloading press.

Full Metal Jacket
January 27, 2010, 08:43 PM
^^^yep. exactly right.

reaper's also right about our military using glocks. i've talked with several folks that just got back from iraq, and although they must carry what issued, they may also carry what they personally own. (most choose g17/19's)

REAPER4206969
January 27, 2010, 10:06 PM
They issue a full-auto Glock 18 to everybody in Iraq, just like in Call of Duty.
While this is obviously BS, the pistol that was taken off of Saddam Hussein when he was captured was a Glock model 18C.

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/bushwar625july62009.jpg
Bush's war treasure: Saddam's pistol
By DON VAN NATTA Jr.
NEW YORK TIMES
07/06/2009

Many American presidents have kept prized possessions within reach during their White House years. Franklin D. Roosevelt cherished a 19th century ship model of the USS Constitution. One of Dwight D. Eisenhower's favorite gifts was an engraved Steuben glass bowl from his Cabinet. And sitting on John F. Kennedy's desk in the Oval Office was a coconut shell he had carved with a distress message after his PT-109 was sunk during World War II.

The objects have been bequeathed to the American public, accessible through a visit to each man's presidential library and museum.

And so when the library for George W. Bush opens in 2013 on the campus of Southern Methodist University in Dallas, visitors will most likely get to see one of his most treasured items: Saddam Hussein's pistol.

The gun, a 9 mm Glock 18C, was found in the spider hole where the Iraqi leader was captured in December 2003 by Delta Force soldiers, four of whom later presented the pistol to Bush. Among the thousands of gifts he received as president, the gun became a favorite, a reminder of the pinnacle moment of the Iraq war, according to friends and longtime associates.


Before Bush left the White House in January, he made arrangements for the gun to be shipped to a National Archives warehouse just 18 miles north of his new home in Dallas.

For nearly five years, Bush kept the mounted, glass-encased pistol in the Oval Office or a study, showing it with pride, especially to military officials, they said. He also let visitors i.

"We were getting ready to leave the Oval Office, and he told us, 'Wait a minute, guys, I want to show you something,'" recalled Pete Hegseth, chairman of Vets for Freedom, who described a July 2007 visit. "The president moved back into his private study, and he came out with the gun, inside this glass case. He said, 'The Delta guys pulled it off Saddam.' He was very proud of it."

Bush also showed Hegseth another item: a brick from the Iraqi safe house where the al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed by an U.S. airstrike in 2006.

The gun is one of 40,000 artifacts and gifts the Bushes had collected, including the bullhorn Bush used to address rescue workers at ground zero and a special-edition Cooperstown baseball bat signed by every living Hall of Famer.

Douglas Brinkley, an author and Rice University history professor, said the pistol opened a psychological window into Bush's view of his presidency.

"It represents this Texas notion of the white hats taking out the black hats and keeping the trophy," Brinkley said.

"For President Bush, this pistol represents his greatest moment of triumph, like the FBI keeping Dillinger's gun. H wants people generations from now to see the gun and say, 'He got the bad guy.'"

The Bushmaster
January 28, 2010, 12:38 AM
You guys are letting Glocks turn your minds to mush...That Glock had a KA-BOOM...Whether it was from a reload or factory round has little to do with it. It went KA-BOOM more then likely from a negligent operator...Ran over by a tank? Give me a break...

As far as the U.S. military issuing Glocks to the GIs is possible but highly unlikely due to the fact that I can't use the parts from your [no longer needed] gun to repair mine in the field. Then there is the ammunition compatibility problem.

kgpcr
January 28, 2010, 12:39 AM
When i was in the Marine corps in Desert Storm i carried a .45 i brought with along with my M16. It happens all the time. My CO knew about it and even had dibs on it if i got wacked LOL.

REAPER4206969
January 28, 2010, 01:03 AM
As far as the U.S. military issuing Glocks to the GIs is possible but highly unlikely due to the fact that I can't use the parts from your [no longer needed] gun to repair mine in the field. Then there is the ammunition compatibility problem.
Did you read the thread?

Full Metal Jacket
January 28, 2010, 01:14 AM
As far as the U.S. military issuing Glocks to the GIs is possible but highly unlikely due to the fact that I can't use the parts from your [no longer needed] gun to repair mine in the field. Then there is the ammunition compatibility problem.

:banghead:

REAPER4206969
January 28, 2010, 01:20 AM
There have also been reports of CAG ("DELTA FORCE") using Glock model 22's.

X-Rap
January 28, 2010, 01:32 AM
I understood that those training Iraqi Police in weapons carry Glock the same as the natives. That only makes sense to use the same as those you instruct are issued.


reaper's also right about our military using glocks. i've talked with several folks that just got back from iraq, and although they must carry what issued, they may also carry what they personally own. (most choose g17/19's)

I don't understand that statement. Are they buying guns they own over there or bringing them along from the states?

ljnowell
January 28, 2010, 01:32 AM
The problem with using reloads in a Glock is that the chamber has some amount of play, which is why they are so reliable. the casings expand in a Glock causing them to weaken after one or two or three reloads, BOOM, You get an explosion. There was also some reported cases of people using 45acp in 45gap or vice versa and getting similar results. No. Thats an internet myth that keeps going. Many of us have cases that we have reloaded way more than 10 times without a problem, shot through a glock. All of mine were with lead bullets too. No kaboom there either. Gap vs ACP is a moot issue. Same pressures, same bullets if you could get a gap in an acp gun and it fired it wouldnt hurt anything. Like getting a 40 to hang off the extractor and fire in a 10mm.

LeontheProfessional
January 28, 2010, 01:41 AM
No. Thats an internet myth that keeps going. Many of us have cases that we have reloaded way more than 10 times without a problem, shot through a glock. All of mine were with lead bullets too. No kaboom there either. Gap vs ACP is a moot issue. Same pressures, same bullets if you could get a gap in an acp gun and it fired it wouldnt hurt anything. Like getting a 40 to hang off the extractor and fire in a 10mm.
I am trying to find the article but disassemble the Glock and remove the barrel and notice how much play there is in the chamber. It has nothing to do with the chamber not being totally supported, that is where the myth comes into play.

LeontheProfessional
January 28, 2010, 01:55 AM
Well I am still unable to find what I am looking for but this is interesting right here.

http://www.proshooter.org/cgi/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=13;t=000057;p=0

ljnowell
January 28, 2010, 02:01 AM
I am trying to find the article but disassemble the Glock and remove the barrel and notice how much play there is in the chamber. It has nothing to do with the chamber not being totally supported, that is where the myth comes into play.

Thats not really an issue either. It certainly wont cause a catastrophic failure. The biggest problem with that is if you get cases that way and try to shoot them in another gun they can not want to chamber, due to the area that isnt resized being oversized. This isnt that big of a deal though, as I dont experience it with my glock and 1911. I have never met anyone in person that has had a problem with it either.

Well I am still unable to find what I am looking for but this is interesting right here.

http://www.proshooter.org/cgi/ubb/ul...3;t=000057;p=0

Pressure will NOT increase unless the bore becomes badly fouled. I can shoot my 18bhn lead rounds all day and not have appreciable leading. Its about finding the proper load that allows the round to seal to the bore but not be fast enough to skid across the rifling. This is done everyday by countless reloaders. Have you ever reloaded for a glock?

LeontheProfessional
January 28, 2010, 02:04 AM
According to the above article I posted and the one posted here the problems are with crappy reloads and lead bullets.

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/forum/showthread.php?p=166143
Scroll about 3/4 of the way down the page.

ljnowell
January 28, 2010, 02:43 AM
According to the above article I posted and the one posted here the problems are with crappy reloads and lead bullets.

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/for...d.php?p=166143
Scroll about 3/4 of the way down the page.

Lead does not make glocks blow up, bad lead reloads do.

C-grunt
January 28, 2010, 03:46 AM
When I was in Iraq in 05 the guys that trained the Iraqis carried Glock 19s.

Unless you were part of a special group, bringing a personal weapon was a very quick way to get an article 15 or court martial. I saw it happen to a guy in my company who conveniently "forgot" to unpack his Glock 22 and 4 loaded mags from his pack before deployment.

easyg
January 28, 2010, 12:50 PM
Him: That's the only Glock that has ever broken. Some guy in Iraq ran it over with a tank.
Lots of Glocks have broken over the years.
Plenty of KABOOMS and plenty of failures.
This does not mean that Glocks are bad.
Considering how many are in service around the world, they have a stellar reputation for reliability and durability.

Me: How did he get a Glock in Iraq?
Him: He brought it.
Me: You can't bring your own guns. They give you everything you can bring (My dad is a readiness flight chief who confirmed this)
Yes and no.
Yes, you are expected to only carry issued weapons.
Yes, folks do bring their own weapons sometimes (almost always against rules and regulations).
Some commanders choose to be "unaware" of such weapons.

Him: Well then it must have been issued to him. They issue a full-auto Glock 18 to everybody in Iraq, just like in Call of Duty.
Your friend is an idiot if he really believes this to be true.

Me: The only pistols they issues are the M1911 to special groups, M9, and the M11, a smaller version of the M9.
Him: You are wrong.
Not true....at least back in 1991 during Desert Storm.
Our med-evac pilots carried issued .38 revolvers (I'm not sure of the make and model).

I realize that neither of us are experts, so let me ask the experts here.
There are NO experts that know everything about all military branches.

1. Does the United States military issue any form of a Glock to deployed soldiers?
Maybe.
There are those secretive types that might be issued such weapons.
But I personally know of none.

2. What happened to this Glock?
It looks like it KABOOMED for some reason.

mljdeckard
January 28, 2010, 02:13 PM
Carrying personal weapons is a violation of the theater general orders. You will NOT see guys running around with privately owned weapons. Those training the IA or police might temporarily be issued the same weapon they are training. If you are detached to a three-letter agency, and you are expected to blend in to keep your precise identity vague, they may issue the sidearm they are carrying. (This is VERY rare.) As for the guy who was a marine in Desert Storm with the .45, we are heck and GONE from Desert Storm rules. It's not the same AT ALL. No modified uniforms, you wear a safety reflective belt on post, etc.

The bottom photo of the 1st ID guy with the Glock is several years old, the body armor, the patch, and blouse he's wearing have all been replaced for a while now.

There have been guys who got UCMJ'd for wearing non-authorized body armor, because it is non-standard. You are NOT taking a privately owned weapon to theater, get used to it.

uspJ
January 28, 2010, 02:24 PM
ljnowell-
Gap vs ACP is a moot issue. Same pressures, same bullets if you could get a gap in an acp gun and it fired it wouldnt hurt anything. Like getting a 40 to hang off the extractor and fire in a 10mm.

i almost shot a gap in my acp just a few weeks ago. i loaded the mag chambered a round and put back in my holster, loaded my 2nd mag and placed it next to the empty box of ammo and just happened to notice the 45gap on the box.

are you saying if i had shot the round it would not have hurt the pistol? i'm not trying to argue or anything like that, i just always shot what the firearm was chambered for. i thought if i had shot the gap in the acp it could have caused serious injury to myself or ruined the firearm.

ljnowell
January 28, 2010, 05:58 PM
i almost shot a gap in my acp just a few weeks ago. i loaded the mag chambered a round and put back in my holster, loaded my 2nd mag and placed it next to the empty box of ammo and just happened to notice the 45gap on the box.

are you saying if i had shot the round it would not have hurt the pistol? i'm not trying to argue or anything like that, i just always shot what the firearm was chambered for. i thought if i had shot the gap in the acp it could have caused serious injury to myself or ruined the firearm.


You are right for only shooting ammo the belongs in the gun. Thats the right way. What I was saying is the comparison between the two makes it likely that there would be no problem. The GAP runs at a pressure that is equal to .45acp +P. There is no danger of a catastrophic failure because of this. The difference as far as chambering is that the GAP is shorter. 45acp and GAP both headspace off of the casemouth. What will usually happen, as when people attempt to fire 40 in a 10mm is that the case rim will slide under the extractor and be held against the breech face this way. The cartridge will fire many times with no problems. I have seen this cause extractor damage to pistols, as the case is not headspacing off the case mouth as intended and puts undue stress on the extractor.

StarDust1
January 28, 2010, 06:59 PM
You guys are letting Glocks turn your minds to mush...That Glock had a KA-BOOM...Whether it was from a reload or factory round has little to do with it. It went KA-BOOM more then likely from a negligent operator...Ran over by a tank? Give me a break...

As far as the U.S. military issuing Glocks to the GIs is possible but highly unlikely due to the fact that I can't use the parts from your [no longer needed] gun to repair mine in the field. Then there is the ammunition compatibility problem.
No, not to blood likely, my best guess is that this pistol was not a kaboom, but rather the result of some other type of misadventure, run over by a tank being quite possible....I see no evidence of carbon deposits or burn which would be the natural consequence of a kaboom, particularly one so powerful as to completely blow the frame apart!
I saw a 21SF detonate in a guys hands, a round of(minimum)double-charged PMC factory 230 gr ball was the culprit, while certainly destroying the frame, it in no way came anywhere close to fragmenting it, just cracking it, blowing out the magazine through the bottom and actually cracking/splitting the barrel at the chamber!

whiskey3
January 28, 2010, 11:25 PM
I think a stupid person happened to that glock!!

usmc1371
January 29, 2010, 08:35 AM
I haven't been in Iraq since november 2006 but I will tell you that I Never saw a glock on any one.

You know what else I never saw... a personaly owned weapon. I did see a writen order that stated that having a personaly owned weapon was 100% against the rules, same for ammo. I was only there for a couple years so I didn't see every thing but I am a gun guy so I pay attention to what every one is packing.

bellyup039
January 29, 2010, 09:03 AM
usmc1371

That makes sence. If you SAW a RULE that was on Paper, then someone had to skirt the Non-existing rule.

Ie: someone carried their own firearm, their own ammo, and some supervisor said, "Hey, we can't have this. We better make a rule stating so."

It has been my expirence, there won't be a rule untill someone FORCES the issue.

My opinion of the Kaboom, Looks like a bad round and the Glock Case took the impact to save the person's hand. Kinda like a helmet in a fall.
BELL Helments even says, One crash One helmet.
Just like Racing Seatbelts being replaced after each crash.

Loyalist Dave
January 29, 2010, 09:23 AM
I see a nominal photo of an intact slide and barrel assembly, and wouldn't there have been damage to the barrel (I can see the lug fine) if the round was bad? Looks like only damage to the receiver, and where is the operating spring and rod assembly? So maybe the pistol went kaboom, or maybe the receiver was crushed by some other means? It's an anti-Glock photo folks, and might have been staged?

The bottom photo of the 1st ID guy with the Glock is several years old, the body armor, the patch, and blouse he's wearing have all been replaced for a while now.

WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE AN AMERICAN OWNED GLOCK FOLKS? btw I know a fellow who dropped his Glock and it landed on the edge of a concrete step, and it got a small crack on the trigger guard. Now that was 25 years ago, and Glock replaced the receiver.

I purchased a used Glock 17 about 15 years ago, and the pivot pin for the trigger was broken in the center. It shot fine, but as it was for SD it could've been a problem. I was glad I had it fully inspected before I carried it for SD.

All guns break in one form or another.

LD

Victor1Echo
January 29, 2010, 09:40 AM
How many contractors (nice word for mercenary) are in Iraq? Blackwater uses whatever they want and answers to no one.

John Parker
January 29, 2010, 11:08 AM
How many contractors (nice word for mercenary) are in Iraq? Blackwater uses whatever they want and answers to no one.

Let's get rid of all the contractors. Then we can just keep the troops (myself included) CONTINUOUSLY deployed. Good idea. And, instead of focusing on DoD missions, we can run around guarding the DoS as well, which is what TC, Aegis, BW, DynCorp, and other groups have been doing.
Contract companies issue the guns they want. It's not against the rules for a contract company to equip its guys with Glocks, 1911s, SIGs, or whatever else.

usmc1371
January 30, 2010, 12:52 AM
I can't find exactly what I am looking for but I found this.

GENERAL ORDER NUMBER 1 (cO-1)
TITLE: Prohibited Activities for U.S Department of Defense Personnel Assigned to the Multi-National Corps - lraq (MNC-l) or Present Within the MNC-l Area of Responsibility (AoR).

PURPOSE: To identify conduct that is prejudicial to the maintenance of good order and discipline of all forces assigned to the MNC-I or present within the MNC-I AOR.

AUTHORITY: United States Central Command (USCENTCOM), General Order 1A (GO-1A), dated 19 Dec 00; Amendment to GO-1A, dated 9 Aug 03.

APPLICABILITY: This General Order is applicable to all United States military personnel, and to civilians serving with, employed by, or accompanying the Armed Forces of the United States, while assigned to the MNC-I or while present in the MNC-I AOR except for personnel expressly excluded under USCENTCOM GO-1A. This General Order also applies to all United States military personnel, and to civilians serving with, employed by, or accompanying the Armed Forces of the United States, while under the operational control of the Commander, MNC-l and present for duty in
Kuwait or lraq. Such duty includes but is not limited to pre-deployment site surveys, leader's recons, and advanced party deployments. This General Order is not applicable to any personnel assigned to XVlllAirborne Corps (Rear) or personnel located outside the USCENTCOM AOR.
1. STATEMENT OF MILITARY PURPOSE AND NECESSITY: [removed by IZHUMINETER as non-pertinent]
2. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES: In accordance with and in addition to USCENTCOM GO-1A, the following activities are prohibited:
a. Purchase, possession, use or sale of privately owned firearms, ammunition, explosives, or the introduction of these items into the MNC-l AOR

Read it yourself at < https://www.1cc.balad.iraq.centcom.m...0Order%201.PDF >

Boats
January 30, 2010, 01:17 AM
It's pretty simple folks--no national armed force that actually fights uses the cop gun save for the Iraqis, and like most agencies, they didn't pay much, if anything for theirs either.

REAPER4206969
January 30, 2010, 02:05 AM
It's pretty simple folks--no national armed force that actually fights uses the cop gun save for the Iraqis, and like most agencies, they didn't pay much, if anything for theirs either.
Did you read the thread?

Full Metal Jacket
January 30, 2010, 02:17 AM
It's pretty simple folks--no national armed force that actually fights uses the cop gun save for the Iraqis, and like most agencies, they didn't pay much, if anything for theirs either.

:eek::eek:

not to mention all the european countries like sweden, that issue glocks.

it's the most popular pistol in the world, dude. read the thread...

easyg
February 1, 2010, 02:31 PM
Aren't there FBI agents in Iraq too?

And aren't they issued Glocks?

John Parker
February 1, 2010, 02:39 PM
Aren't there FBI agents in Iraq too?

And aren't they issued Glocks?

Yes and yes. And in Afghanistan as well.

Mags
February 1, 2010, 03:05 PM
USAF Fighter pilots are issued Glock 19s. It is even on Glock's website. (go figure the company that makes the pistol might have info on it.) Link (http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols.htm)

John Parker
February 1, 2010, 04:25 PM
Hey Mags, do you have any proof of this? I know you are in the Air Force, but I've never seen a USAF pilot with a Glock 19 and have never heard of it, aside from the info on Glock.com.

Mags
February 1, 2010, 06:21 PM
Never seen it in person on an AF pilot but it is listed in our inventory. I also found a Glock 17 thigh rig in our Spec Ops armory but they didn't have any Glocks they did have enough unused in the last 15 years, WW2 to vietnam Remington Rands to make you cry though.

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