[firestar]

Here the senario; China invades the U.S. in a surprise attack and because our militaary is caught of gaurd they occupy the nation ala Red Dawn.

Out of these two rifles, which is better and why? Remember that parts and ammo are going to have to come from secondary sources because China has shut down all the gun shops and the is a ban on selling any gun related item.

AK or Ar-15?

Do you want what our forces carry or what the enemy carries? Which ammo would be easier to obtain? It is a tough question because it depends on many factors. It is just a interesting thought so don't get too worked up about it.

I can't really decide. Every time I think I would pick one of them, other factors enter into the situation. AK for reliability and the possibility of obtaining ammo from the dead Chinese soldiers that have been sniped. AR-15 for accuracy and the possiblity of getting ammo from friendly forces.

[ReadyontheRight]

Both. If you can get ammo from dead invaders, you can get their guns too. You'll likely be hiding guns and ammo in a lot of places.

Starting with an AR-15 makes a little more sense since you'll probably be sniping and running at long range if you're caught behind the lines.

[MLC]

I would also expect to encounter these 5.8 mm rifles, good luck finding domestic ammo. It seems even the Chinese are getting rid of their AK's.http://world.guns.ru/assault/qbz-95.jpghttp://www.pmulcahy.com/assaultrifleimages/Image1146.jpg

[Skunkabilly]

Get a Gl...er...

I'll grab anything I can get. Free toys!!

[major 98]

I would have to say get the ar-15 then use it for more precision shots until you could pick up an ak for some closer fast shooting since the ammo would be more plentiful. keep the ar-15 with you though for when you need the better accuracy. Thats my take. Major

[cheygriz]

My Remington .300WinMag Sendero with the Nikon 6.5-20 Scope. With it, I can have my choice of enemy weapons.

I think I'll shoot their machine gunner first, and then their mortar crew. After that, I'll be well armed indeed!

[Soap]

Concern 1- First I would get a source of fire. Then I would get some good English tobacco. Next I would pack my pipe. Light. Enjoy.

Concern 2- Secondly I would get a smallish glass. Then pour Jameson. Sip. Enjoy.

China has no way of transporting a significant number of ground forces to the U.S. Unless you count the Red Chinee Armee in the bonded Costco warehouse in California ;)

[goon]

I would also go with the scoped bolt-gun as my first choice.
That, and any field-expedient nasties that I could make for them.

[bad_dad_brad]

And just how are the Chicoms going to approach the US without us knowing about it? The Pacific is a big lake.

Don't get me wrong, I think "Red Dawn" is a fun piece of entertainment, but it is so un-realistic, especially in todays climate of total domination of the US armed forces (the West Europeans are the only challenge and they are on our side). Did you know that some say that "Red Dawn" was Ronald Reagan's favorite movie?

That said, I would take my AR-15 over an AK anytime.

[TheLastBoyScout]

I'd START with an AR, since there's no AK in the Scout family armory. I'd want to link up with friendly regulars and pick up an M16 from their supplies, but it prolly wouldnt matter too much if I 'borrowed' AK74 if I started running low on 5.56 (I've heard 5.45 AKs are almost as accurate as factory AR15s). I don't know about the reliability or accuracy of the 5.8mm Red X :rolleyes: :D ;)

[firestar]

I forgot that most armies that carry Aks are not using 7.62x39 anymore.:o

I too would rather have a scoped bolt action. I don't really want to be in ANY situation that requires 30 quick shots. I would rather be 800m out taking pot shots at officers than having to slug it out at AK ranges.

I said the Chinese only because they are the only nation in the world that could concievable invade the U.S.

[DMK]

In the "Red Dawn" scenario, the Americans who fought in the occupied areas were in fact guerillas. Quite effectively in the movie, they used hunting rifles initially to raid communist convoys and "liberate" arms, ammo and other supplies from the invaders.

In that case, you would arm yourself with your enemy's weapons and as long as you could stay victorious in your battles, you'd have an ample supply of arms until you either died, were captured or defeated the enemy.

I guess that would likely be the AK, but they might also be using M-16s, M-4s and SAWs from captured U.S. depots.

[Mr Bill]

If they hit the shores of PRK (peoples republic of Kalifornia) we be in short supply of AR's here, very short. AK's more or less are in the same trucks traveling east. What the heck, our state representatives would probably welcome them with open arms.

Since I agree with maintaining my distance I'd have to select this M1 the DCM was so kind to sell me. I keep a small supply of fully jacketed target ammo on hand and an abundant supply of clips for it so it's my first choice. After that, it's scrounge for what ever’s available.

I don't know if this scenario isn't all that impossible, with the so many shipping containers coming from China and what an opportunity it would be when the majority of our troops are fighting terrorists around the world, Sadam in Iraq and if N. Korea became and incident we'd be stretched pretty thin. What a conspiracy theory this would make. Wonder what would happen if we tried to claim bankruptcy on them for ALL those PRODUCTS they're shipping to us. It's really out of hand now. Seems like everything is made there and nothing here anymore.
Bill

[Double Naught Spy]

So if you are preparing for the unrealistic "Red Dawn" scenario, are you also preparing for the "When Mars Attacks" scenario as well and stocking up on Slim Whitman albums? I figure both are about as realistically possible as each other.

[TheLastBoyScout]

I seriously doubt anyone is actually planning for this, but it is an interesting mental/'walter mitty' excercise.

[JohnBT]

We're invading Canada? Do I have to walk? Eh?

John

[JohnDog]

My favorite "Red Dawn" scenario was.....

snuggling with Lea Thompson around the campfire!


Wolverines!!!

[rugerfreak]

With a billion+ Chinese---seems like you would have to kill 5 or so per man to even be on a level playing field.

[Kobun]

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[Skunkabilly]

If all the Chinese jumped, the world's center of gravity would shift and we'd fly out of orbit. Mutually assured destruction.

[Gordon]

More likely Lulac and Mecha will claim Atzlan and homeland security will say : "It is not politically or culturely possible to militarize the border". Whoops Tom allready said that! Its Ok though because he WILL disarm US Citizens! Try rubberband guns.:cuss: :fire: :banghead: :what:

[3 gun]

I have enough 7.62x51 on hand, I wouldn't have to switch. But if I did last long enough to run out I'd rather have an AR-15/M-16.

[Slick]

What if they filled all those shipping containers with Troops and supplies? They could flood all of our Ports with Red Chinese soldiers!! Then, at a prearranged time, they all pull the old Trojan Horse thing, and we're at war!! :eek:
Okay, there is that food and oxygen thing I haven't worked out yet....
Logistics is a bitch...

[Art Eatman]

I realize that the Beltway Bandits are dumber'n hammered dirt about defending the country, but I'm sorta dubious they'd shut down gun/ammo sales in the event of an invasion. They expect all us Rednecks to join up with the Chinese?

Question: How do the Chinese get here in enough numbers to matter? You promise the Crips and Bloods full pardons if they "do" the Chinese, and it would be over quick-quick.

More real-world: If you lived in rural southern Arizona, what would be your tactics for daily living/working/survival?

:), Art

[cheygriz]

Actually, ******* Klinton, Dickie Gephardt, Johh McCain, etc are FAR greater threats to American security and the U.S. constitution and way of life than the Chinese military ever will be.

[ShaiVong]

1. Dig a 5ft deep pit. (One thing that isnt common knowledge is that the average Chicom is only 3ft tall). Fill with pointy sticks and scissors.

2. Loot a McDonalds and steal all the perfectly preserved hamburgers.

3. Put a couple hamburgers on the grill upwind of some chicoms, they will flock towards it lustily for american food.

4. They fall in pits.

5. Return to step 1 untill no more chicoms are remaining.

6. Shoot all surviving liberals before they flee to China.

7. Stripmine China.

Thats why I should be a General. :evil:

[jacks308]

Then I need to start loading development for 62 grain soft points in the flat top AR ! Even then I'm gonna halfta start making three and a half inch groups reliably at three hundred yards in all kinds a weather just to stay even with 'em :(
C'mon colonel , can't I please use something a little more effective an' keep um further out ? Ya know it would really stink ta git overrun by dead guys :uhoh: !!!


Jack

[Mr Bill]

Heard on the news tonight, part of a story about divers checking under ships in L.B. port, that only 3% of those shipping containers coming in are checked. Ships must notify authorities of their arrival 93 miles out.
There has been people smuggled in them, some not so lucky.
Would anyone have ever thought the twin towers act could've happened? Nearly anything is possible these days so lets not let our guard down or we may again get surprised. Although, the odds of the Chinese attacking our shores is pretty slim. That might not be the case in Taiwan but, I'm more concerned about N. Korean missiles.

[Joe Demko]

For a scenario like this, the only possible choice is the Webley-Vickers 50.80

I can fairly hear the ta-pocketa-pocketa of far away ChiCom guns already...

[Gewehr98]

Were the Red Chinese to land on Kalifornia shores, especially closer to Monterey or Laguna. Think about it, the trendy natives would think there was some big celebration, and would keep the Chinese troops busy with orders for Moo Goo Gai Pan, Dim Sum, and so forth, keeping them tied down for weeks.

(Since it's a tinfoil helmet type thread, anyway...) :D

[cheygriz]

Gewehr,

I think we will all need a DOUBLE layer of tin foil. Who knows what those crafty Chinese have that might penetrate one layer?

[geekWithA.45]

According to the CIA factbook, they've got 180 million military eligible people, which is about 1:1 for every American.

We've got, in private hands, about 180 million firearms.

So, the reds magically beam in, we magically beam a firearm into the hand of each American, and...

(I'll bet some of you see this coming...)

..and we each fire once and go home.


No need to wake the military. :D

[Skunkabilly]

In case of a Chinese invasion, Twoblink, Jesse_H and I will tunnel under and steal all their ammo and 30-round magazines.

Or we'll call the CA DOJ and tell them we know where a bunch of minorities are hiding 30-round magazines and unregistered AK receivers.

[MarineTech]

Personally, I'd forego the M16 and AK all together. If you're going to be operating during an invasion, you're most probably going to be acting in a guerilla role. Unless you can get a group of like minded individuals together, you're going to be operating alone. That means you need to use distance and "Hit and Fade" tactics to your advantage. Selecting a rifle capable of the sniper role, along with the ability to provide a volume of fire should it become necessary, and is going to stand up to field conditions with the possibility of receiving little cleaning. I'd probably grab an M1 Garand or an M1A.

Should I run low on ammo, and need to procure an enemy weapon for resupply, then the line the SgtMaj in We Were Soldiers used comes to mind, "If things get to the point where I need one, then I'm sure there'll be some lying around."

[CWL]

China has naval troop capabilities of one division. And this is for Taiwan, not crossing the entire Pacific Ocean.

If China did invade, Taiwan would probably invade China. Provinces like Tibet & Xinjiang would revolt. There'd be more chaos & dissention in China than in USA.

Those bases we have in Pearl Harbor, Guam, Japan, Korea would dump so much ordnance on Chinese shipping & ports that there'd be ZERO supplies for CHICOM forces in USA. They'd be searching OUR guns for ammo.

CHICOM forces in United States would probably shed their uniforms and desert as fast as happened in Korea. About 1/4 of them would look up relatives & friends already in USA and melt into large cities.

We'd have an overabundance of educated cheap labor. Probably would force illegal Mexicans to go home.

[another48hrs]

I wouldn't be afraid of the PLA, they are like the Salvation Army. They would rather help an old lady across the street and start a bake sale than attack the US.

[sw442642]

Fly C-130s over the invasion forces.
Drop Green Cards, licenses to drive taxis and open restaurants.

Wait

Welcome hard working new Americans to USA.
Eat in great new restaurants.
Have a good role model in a new set of valedictorians, kids who know calculus, etc, in our schools. Maybe our kids will get the hint.

I must say I got this from someone else.

It will be call the Takeover the USA, Sell Out , Takeout war.

[4v50 Gary]

Skunk, I don't think the CA DOJ is big enough to stem an armed invasion and to confiscate all those illegal weapons. Clearly this is an inter-agency problem requring some Calif. park rangers (since they have the beach) and of course, Federal assistance. Regarding the latter, I'm thinking primarily Immigration & Naturalization and secondly, those stalwart heroes behind the gold Shield, the ATF or whatever they're going to be after being absorbed into the Fed DoJ. Somebody's going to have to do "ballistic fingerprinting" if those guys are going to be allowed to keep their weapons.

Like the Russians use to joke, we'll lose the war when we starve trying to feed 1 million prisoners.

[Schuey2002]

Whatever rifle that I can get my mitts on..

I'd probably end up calling my local C3 dealer (who is a good friend) and ask him if I could "borrow" a few items. :D

[MLH]

Landed in the PRK they would so busy filling out forms to get free meds, food stamps, and all the other freebies that we would have plenty of time to get our troops back from Iraq or where ever.:rolleyes: