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remmag
January 31, 2010, 11:40 AM
hey everyone
in alliants reloading guide it says all loads should be reduced by 10% for starting loads, the exception are loads listed as target in 45 apc and 38 special.
i am working up 45 apc loads with led 200 grain bullets, their load is 5.4 grians of unique powder, i did not see anything about target on the data so i think i should reduce by 10%
problem is i dont see anything in 45 apc or 38 special listed as target so i am wondering if they mean all data is defined as target in these 2 calibers and i should start at 5.4 grains
if anyone is familiar with this please help
thanks

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243winxb
January 31, 2010, 11:58 AM
The Free Alliant Powder Reloaders Guide availabe my mail lists "Target Loads". Order the guide here, Free. Many more load data. http://www.alliantpowder.com/resources/catalog.aspx Down load the PDF file 3.07 MB guide on the link page, this might contain "target" loads.

243winxb
January 31, 2010, 12:02 PM
Or more info might be in the down load of the guide on the link page??? http://www.alliantpowder.com/resources/catalog.aspx

rcmodel
January 31, 2010, 03:14 PM
5.4 Unique with a 200 LSWC is giving only 790 FPS velocity.

That is most certainly a target load.
You don't need to download it any further.

rc

remmag
January 31, 2010, 04:45 PM
rcmodel and 243winxb
thhanks for the responces and i have now downloaded that guide
i actually just got back from shooting my first batch of 100 rounds loaded
i did load them all to 5.1 grains of unique ,1.190 coal and 200 grain led rnfp bullets
here is the report
most seemed fairly acurrate
1 cardridge failed to fire, pin did strike the primer
all seemed weak as compared to the factory 230 grain loads i have
why do i say weak
the factory loads throw the brass out to where you cant see it and you have to chase it down
my loads you can actually see the brass as it flies
out of 8 per magazine an average of 2 would either not cycle the slide or would get hung up in the ejection port
none got hung trying to feed into the chamber

i am actually happy with the results so far

rcmodel
i do not understand when you say this is most certainly a target load, by that do you mean a weak load, according to the alliant recipe i can move up to 5.4 grains . will this be enough of a change to properly cycle my gun (smith 1911

thanks again

rcmodel
January 31, 2010, 05:14 PM
I only mean a 200 grain lead SWC bullet at 790 FPS is a target load.

You can push a 200 grain cast bullet to 1,000+ FPS in a full power combat load.

But I think you would be better served with a faster powder for reduced power target loads. Look at Bullseye, 700x, Red Dot, or something in that burn rate range.

According to Lyman #49, 5.0 Unique only gives you 670 FPS, and 7.5 gives 980 with one 200 grain LSWC bullet design.

With another 200 LSWC bullet design..
6.0 grains = 717 FPS.
7.5 grains = 913 FPS

rc

remmag
January 31, 2010, 05:26 PM
got you.
am i correct in assuming the load i have loaded is the reason for the ejection problems encountered today

Randy1911
January 31, 2010, 05:34 PM
It is the light load that is causing the ejection problems. You have two choices, one is to increase the load and the other is use a weaker recoil spring i.e. a 14 or 12 pound spring.

remmag
January 31, 2010, 05:42 PM
i will increase the load
thanks

Steve C
January 31, 2010, 06:06 PM
Current Alliant data mirrors the Speer manual and indicates the use of Speer bullets. Earlier versions where more generic and bullet type was not mentioned. Some of the loadings for the Speer bullets are heavier than the data for the generic bullets and in some cases its a little less. Its a decent guide to loads.

Speer 13 lists 4.9 to 5.4grs of Unique with the 200gr SWC while the Hornady manual lists 5.6 to 6.2grs for their 200gr SWC bullet.

If you have failures to eject or cycle you propably should up your charge to 5.4gr or change your recoil spring to a slightly lighter one.

remmag
January 31, 2010, 06:57 PM
that is what is the most confusing. all the manuals seem to differ,and the list a bullet type rarely being the same as what i am shooting (rnfp)
the lyman manual says with oal 1.235 6.0 grains to 7.5 and with 1.161 oal 5.0 to 7.5 both with #2 alloy bullets
as best as i can figure the determining factor is the cartridge length
thanks

ArchAngelCD
February 1, 2010, 02:40 AM
I hate to tell someone to use a different powder than they are asking about but I have to agree with "rcmodel". You will be better served with a faster powder than you are using. I like W231 for all my .45 loads and it lends itself to light loads as well. Any of the powders in that burn rate range will give you better results than Unique. To add to the suggestions of alternate powders already provided you can also try Clays, PB, AA#2 and American Select. (but I still favor W231/HP-38)

243winxb
February 1, 2010, 09:58 AM
Bullet Types- A swaged lead bullet like Speer will have target loading data because it is soft. Hard cast bullets(Lyman) can withstand more pressure and can be loaded to maximum velocity. Some powder companys must think lead is only for target and that people will load jacketed hollow points for personal defense. Start low on powder and work up the charge as you are doing. My maximum loading in 45 acp with a cast 200gr lswc is 6.9 gr of Unique. The seating depth of the bullet is set by the chamber and how it feeds. Click for Larger Photos http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/th_45seatingpossibilitiesxn.jpg (http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/45seatingpossibilitiesxn.jpg) http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/th_CastBullets_20090207_005.jpg (http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/CastBullets_20090207_005.jpg) http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/th_45acp947inch_001.jpg (http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/45acp947inch_001.jpg)

243winxb
February 5, 2010, 11:55 PM
Seems we went over this before.

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