28 Days Later--British Fools


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Cosmoline
November 17, 2003, 12:48 AM
[some spoilers]


Just watched the zombie flick "28 Days Later" on DVD. I was more disturbed by the attitudes of the main characters towards firearms than by the zombies. The unexpressed but constant theme running through the film was that firearms are so evil that it's a bad idea to use them even when toxic zombies are on the loose. The zombies in the movie are contageous. VERY contageous. One drop of their blood in your eye, mouth, nose, or open wound and you're done for. So what do the main characters use to kill them? Clubs and swords, of course! The bad guys of the film are a unit of British soldiers, all armed with assault rifles. The main character at SEVERAL POINTS has the chance to get iron or actually has a firearm, but at each point he ends up discarding the firearm and using his hands or a club. In the end we see the entire bunch of protaganists without firearms--although they could have had their pick of the latest military hardware.

I worry that this goes beyond ordinary stupidity of horror movie characters (ie, don't look in the basement!). There was something deeper and more disturbing at work here. Bad guys have firearms, good guys use swords. Am I making too much of this?

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M58
November 17, 2003, 12:55 AM
Stupid film.
Sorry I rented it.
Also, made military into rapist???:banghead:

JimJD
November 17, 2003, 01:30 AM
Wow, that's really dumb of them.
I have'nt seen the film yet.
Funny though, I had a nightmare a couple of weeks ago that was very, very "zombie movie".
Had a chance to use firearms in it. Used them I did! Scared the pee out of me though!(Zombies, not the guns).
Anyway, back to the flick...
Yeah, I agree.
It seems the U.K. is getting worse and worse with the whole "anti" thing.
On another forum I go to about movies and entertainment, there's a guy who is a "Mike Moore parrot". He tried to slam the U.S.A. and firearms every chance he got.
Happily, myself and others have shown him he is quite wrong on the subject.
I've also known many Irish and English nationals who live here in the states. Most of them have a very uninformed view and opinion on the whole subject. Must be some form of brain-washing...
The only one I've met and known who does'nt have his head in the sand, was a friend of my father's. He was S.A.S. . He knows and understands firearms.

citizen
November 17, 2003, 01:31 AM
The film had an interesting, though previously tried premise.
(Think Day of the Triffids, or when Charlie Heston battled the night mutants, etc.)
It would have NO basis for production without it's basic premise flaw; no firearms. Which is why it was filmed in London, I suspect. ENTIRE civilian population was disarmed, and the ONLY organized survivors were a renegade platoon????????????Visually pleasing film, though.

c_yeager
November 17, 2003, 01:52 AM
I thought that the ending was a complete cop-out too. The whole tone of the movie for the first 1.5 hours is completely discarded in the final reel. Even taken as just a piece of entertainment it needed work.

Geech
November 17, 2003, 02:06 AM
I thought that the ending was a complete cop-out too. The whole tone of the movie for the first 1.5 hours is completely discarded in the final reel. Even taken as just a piece of entertainment it needed work.

Which ending? The American ending or the real ending? Maybe both?

Anyway, as for firearms they did take one at the end. I don't recall exactly which shot it is, but near the end of the movie, the American ending, you can see a rifle leaning up against a wall. Before that, I don't really think the protaganists had very many chances to get guns. Remember, this is England.

citizen
November 17, 2003, 02:07 AM
BTW, I happened to watch it after dinner at a friend's and it was on DVD.
There were MANY features provided after the movie, including ALTERNATE ENDINGS. Those, more than the tightly controlled script, revealed just how weak the entire script actually was and it's narrow tailoring. Too bad......
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.Jeez; it seems like people are anticipating my worthless posts....

c_yeager
November 17, 2003, 05:24 AM
The ending that you saw in US theaters is in fact the REAL ending. It was the same ending that was on the British release. The alternate ending is just that, an alternate. I have the british release of this movie (released on DVD before it even hit the theaters here), trust me, it is EXACTLY the same feel good nonsense.

clarkg1124
November 17, 2003, 05:49 AM
I saw this flick some time ago,and IIRC their problem was lack of ammo?They were on a training mission(with blanks),and only one guy had a few rounds of live ammo.
Stupid premise,stupid movie,stupid me for watching.
Clark

WhoKnowsWho
November 17, 2003, 07:06 AM
In the end we see the entire bunch of protaganists without firearms--although they could have had their pick of the latest military hardware

Remember that guy in the room when Jim went ou the window in the end.

"I haven't got any bullets!"

And it was easier for them to use hand to hand wepons, considering none of them had probably ever handled a firearm ever. It made sense to me. That's one thing my friend asked when we watched it. I am glad they didn't make normal Jim into Rambo Jim, mowing down people with a SA-80 or something.

"Why doesn't anybody have guns?"

I laughed and had to explain it to him...

Sean Smith
November 17, 2003, 08:04 AM
Besides, they were SA-80s, they probably didn't work anyway... very realistic. ;)

Black92LX
November 17, 2003, 08:08 AM
was that firearms are so evil that it's a bad idea to use them even when toxic zombies are on the loose

not so sure that was the theme that i took from it. afterall they would have been dead with out the snipers that came from the bushes. there is no doubt that guns were a vital part of the movie, or it would have ended right there at the check point.

and also the girls would have been raped to no end if Jim wouldn't have shot thru the chains of the captured soldier that was infected. there would have been no other way for Jim to let him loose. so once again a gun was needed.



but that's just my .02 cents

Cosmoline
November 17, 2003, 09:36 AM
SA-80's! Of course. That explains it. I probably would have used a club, too :D

Camel
November 17, 2003, 10:06 AM
Are you insinuating that an SA80 isnt a club? Ive heard they make fine blunt weapons.

OF
November 17, 2003, 10:17 AM
I thought the bit about how a small military unit would degenerate in a band of murdering rapists in less than a month of isolation was the most awful plot line in that movie.

- Gabe

TheeBadOne
November 17, 2003, 11:18 AM
or when Charlie Heston battled the night mutants
The Omega Man ruled! A much better picture. :cool:

2nd Amendment
November 17, 2003, 11:22 AM
My wife came dragging the thing out at the rental store the other nite. I told her how the plot line went. She put it back without comment. :)

Balog
November 17, 2003, 11:28 AM
Good Lord! For a supposedly marginally gun related movie, this sure generates a lot of talk on here. This is what, the fifth thread made about this movie?!?!

HankB
November 17, 2003, 01:15 PM
Saw the movie. Was disappointed for the reasons already mentioned.

Hmmm . . . with "rage" virus sweeping across London, killing off virtually the entire population . . . where were the millions of bodies?

This looked more like what a high school film class might turn out if you gave them some money, rather than a professionally written, directed, and acted film.

gunsmith
November 17, 2003, 04:23 PM
is this rotten tomatoes?
Anyway,peta types cause plauge to spread all over creation,sounds plausible to me.

morganm01
November 17, 2003, 05:09 PM
Who else here thought that at the very end when the jet circled back around to see the "Hello" sign , that it was going to drop a big hit of napalm on them!

Razor
November 17, 2003, 05:15 PM
Who else here thought that at the very end when the jet circled back around to see the "Hello" sign , that it was going to drop a big hit of napalm on them!

Now that would of been a great ending! :D

JimJD
November 17, 2003, 05:37 PM
What type of jet was it?

Cosmoline
November 17, 2003, 07:45 PM
I think the reason this gets so much attention is because in many ways it can be seen as an anti-gun response to "Omega Man." But maybe we're all reading too much into it.

All I know is, when the zombie virus hits ALaska I'm not gonna use no sword or club!

MAKOwner
November 17, 2003, 07:45 PM
Yes, this movie sucked for the reasons listed, main one being they went to great pains to have it in a area devoid of guns for the most part. It's just about as bad as that stupid Alien3 movie where they come up with a prison planet so there are no weapons. LAME, LAME, LAME. Big fat copout by the writers. Even if there are no guns, the best the survivors can come up with are melee weapons? I'll be damned if I don't go out of my way to come up with some of weapon to use against these guys other than bare hands or a bat. For crying out loud, the "survivors" wouldn't survive more than an encounter or two with zombies doing this extremely messy hand to hand crap. Just too easy to get infected...

The Dawn of the Dead remake coming out before too much longer should spank this politically correct POS all over the place. Unless of course they manage to screw up the remake, the original sure was cool although dated now...

dustind
November 17, 2003, 08:16 PM
Is Dawn of the Dead the movie where at one point the good guys are in a camp and people are taking pot shots at zombies in a pen and wrestling with the zombies?

keederdag
November 17, 2003, 08:17 PM
Cosmo; There is an SA-80 proped in the window-sill of the house in the last scene, you have too look closely. He dumped the only rifle he ever got his hands on when it was #1 out of ammo and #2 stuck bayonet first into a soldier, who ran into it. He emptied the remainder of the mag, John Wayne style, cutting the chain the pet zombie was attached too. The Stories Hero was an English bike delivery guy....No Commando. The Gal was a Pharmacist.....No Commandet. After it came out I PM'd a bunch Of THR Brits about getting firearms. All but one exception told me they really didnt know where they could get one if The SHTF. :)

eXe
November 17, 2003, 08:26 PM
I found myself yelling throughout the whole movie "PICK UP A GUN ALREADY" :D

Could not believe not ONE of them thought to get a gun from someone somewhere.

lazhuward
November 17, 2003, 11:08 PM
I didn't really like "28 Days Later", but it was a pro-gun movie. Check out the alternate endings on the DVD, especially with the commentary.

In the main alternate ending, the little girl picks up a pistol at the very end of the movie. It shows that she's evolved in her choice of weapons and will likely have success against the zombies in the future.

The radically different alternate ending also has pro-gun epiphanies. Characters who used bats and blades against the zombies suddenly realize how effective guns are.

If you want a British anti film, check out "Road to Perdition". It's a good movie, but it's also the most anti-gun movie that I've seen. Deleted scenes on the DVD help bring its theme into focus.

morganm01
November 17, 2003, 11:57 PM
I gotta admit. I loved the movie. Brit's don't have guns, and the few remaining people wouldn't have been able to scour any up, everyone else was infected. The only people with guns were SURPRISE the military. Completely accurate as far as the UK is concerned. If the movie was based in the US I would cry BS! If there were hundreds of uninfected people all over the place, they could have found a gun somewhere, but they were barely able to find TWO other people! And there are no gun stores either!
Great movie, I recommend to anyone.

anyone see the Men's Journal 50 greatest guy movies? Where was Red Dawn!!?!?!?

MoreTEN
November 18, 2003, 11:35 AM
All the great zombieflicks, like "Night of the Living Dead" & "Return of the Living Dead" mock the army & guns. So I dont see the point of this thread...didnt you now that "Night of the Living Dead" is a film about the cold war?

keederdag
November 18, 2003, 11:40 AM
Ok I'll bite?

Kaylee
November 18, 2003, 11:46 AM
so... about those SA-80s....

*hint hint* :)

vi9er
November 18, 2003, 01:20 PM
Is Dawn of the Dead the movie where at one point the good guys are in a camp and people are taking pot shots at zombies in a pen and wrestling with the zombies?

No, that, I believe was Day of the Dead. Dawn was the one in the shopping mall.

Ed

Newton
November 18, 2003, 02:24 PM
Well here's an evil, gun hating Brit who has a house full of guns in the US, and who had firearms in Britain, as did a lot of his friends, even from childhood.

I get the impression that there is still the mistaken belief that guns just don't exist in Britain, whereas the truth is that there are a LOT of shotguns in private ownership. Indeed far more shotguns than there were ever pistols, I knew many people with shotguns, but I never ever met anyone in the last 30 years of shooting in Britain who owned a pistol.

Clay Pigeon shooting is the third largest participation sport in Britain after soccer and golf, and whilst not common, rifles are certainly not rare, especially in rural Scotland.

Let's not confuse a handgun and semi automatic rifle ban with all firearms, and "British Fools" isn't really a very nice way to talk about us just because we don't have enough guns for your liking.

I believe the aircraft was a Hunter, maybe a T.11, but I'd have to check.

I seem to recall that the main character (who was Irish anyway) did pick up an SA80A2 towards the end of the movie, and I doubt that you find many countries outside of the USA, Angola, South Africa, former Yugoslavia, Somalia, Chechen Republic etc where the people would know how to easily get their hands on assault weapons.

Balog
November 18, 2003, 02:36 PM
Newton: "assault weapon?" Sounds like someone's been reading too much propaganda from VPC and the Brady Bunch.

keederdag
November 18, 2003, 02:45 PM
I dunno but Newtons right, the "British Fools" thing was uncalled for, and also BS. If we have one ally in the world there they be.

Kaylee. SA-80 Enfield, P-35, Fn-minimi. Nuff guns? They were all in the movie Kay?;)

Newton
November 18, 2003, 03:31 PM
Balog

I believe the term "Assault Weapon" is now enshrined in US law, if it's good enough for the Feds then it's good enough for me.

Thanks Keederdag.

I was also wrong about it being a Hunter T.11, seems it was a T.8b, most likely this one http://www.hawkerhunter.co.uk/

dustind
November 18, 2003, 03:49 PM
Isn't talking about wether a move is pro or anti gun on topic for the high road?

fish2xs
November 18, 2003, 04:05 PM
I bought it before Halloween, turned out all the lights, lit a fire, cracked a bottle of
vino, cranked up the 5:1 surround sound to 7 and checked my disbelief at the door.

Once in this mode, I thought it was Excellent!

OK - now that it's over:

"Military is bad" - what else were you expecting???
"Poor use of guns" - It's the UK, what else were you expecting???

Actually, my main 'realistic' beef with the movie is that if the 'virus' was that fast moving,
that fact by itself would have isolated the disease to the island. The longer the incubation
period, the more widespread it becomes.


Sure, there are 'issues', but I didn't let it keep me from enjoying what I thought was a VERY
suspensful and well done movie.

Razor
November 18, 2003, 04:19 PM
I dunno but Newtons right, the "British Fools" thing was uncalled for, and also BS. If we have one ally in the world there they be.

Amen to that.

Tommy Gunn
November 18, 2003, 04:39 PM
Just the usual Leftist crap from the film industry.

In this film, we see that "guns are bad" and the "anyone wearing uniform is a pig" mentality.

My advise is to boycott this Leftist agitprop.

JimJD
November 18, 2003, 05:50 PM
I believe the aircraft was a Hunter, maybe a T.11, but I'd have to check.

Ok, thanks for the info.
But...

I seem to recall that the main character (who was Irish anyway) did pick up an SA80A2 towards the end of the movie

Heyyyy... What's the Irish thing supposed to mean?:)

Since we're on Brit weapons...
I've been catching a little bit of "SAS, Are you tough enough?" on T.V. .
Has anyone seen them carry anything else besides M-4's and it's variants?

10CFR
November 19, 2003, 12:08 AM
Cosmoline hit the nail on the head. This flick made me mad for the same reasons. Very anti-gun message there. It also wasn't a very good movie anyway.

:fire:

Justin
November 19, 2003, 01:32 AM
This one's already been talked about pretty heavily in a number of other threads:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50254&highlight=days+later

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46170&highlight=days+later

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42392&highlight=days+later

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32660&highlight=days+later

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