Boberama
February 2, 2010, 05:35 AM
The right to self defense in this country is at danger due as ever to the all encompassing charge of breach of the peace, which can now result in a £40 spot fine, for which police discretion is applied. However once again the usage of police quotas for the amount of these issued per month often produces the production of these fines to people who are defending them selves from attackers.
I was leaving a night club with my girlfriend last month and 2 men started shouting at me in the cloak room queue, i ignored it and carried on down the stairs, i paused at the entrance of the club to look for some friends i had been with that night and one of the two men walked up behind me and kicked me in the calf muscle, i turned round and he head butted me in the face. i reacted by punching him once which knocked him to the ground, at which point his friend ran in and swung a punch at me which i blocked and i punched him once as well, again knocking him to the ground. The first man got back to his feet and swung for me again which i avoided and at this point the police stepped in.
I thought i was perfectly within my rights to defend myself from both attackers, however the police issued myself and only one of my two attackers with spot fines for forty ponds, my one stated that i had committed a breach of the peace and had been in a stand up fight. The police refused to listen to anything i said, despite deliberately remaining calm with a low voice, i tried to explain that it was self defence but was told ”just shut it you could still end up spending the night in bell street (the local police station)”.
For me the breach of the peace law is a blatant violation of human rights, the most important is obviously that of defense of self and family. No wonder there are as many cases of people being attacked in crowded places in broad day light with on lookers offering no assistance, they are probably just afraid to break the law in a society where criminals have more rights than people who risk there own safety to save others
And that's just one story.
Read this: http://geoff82.wordpress.com/2006/11/27/the-right-to-self-defense/
A homeowner who discovered two robbers in his home held them with a toy gun while he telephoned the police. When the police arrived they arrested the two men, and also the homeowner, who was charged with putting someone in fear with a toy gun. An elderly woman who scared off a gang of youths by firing a cap pistol was charged with the same offense.
From another site:
I have no desire to travel to the land of George Orwell’s nightmares for any reason. Cameras are everywhere, in a land that disallows self-defense for simple survival. The Brits are obsessed with violence, knives and guns.
In the UK they’ve created a predator’s Utopia where every potential rape, robbery or homicide victim is absolutely unarmed and helpless. They have made total social outcasts of anyone who suggests self-reliance against criminal assault. The socially acceptable to react to attack is to lay down and die.
A recent sales gimmick here hoodie style sweatshirts are being sold with a small Swiss Army knife has become an adman’s dream. The sales effort garnered world-wide attention and exposure. The endless and shrill condemnation by the “sensible” crowd is selling the hoodie/knife combo off store shelves.
The Brits are suffering from some strange mass mental pathology. They must really believe their bans on weapons are somehow effective in controlling crime. Any real effort at statistical analysis would debunk those theories.
They must learn to punish violent behavior rather than weapons possession. Weapons are the only way people have to stop assault, rape, robbery and murder.
Training, concealed weapons permits and handguns will help the UK reduce violence and crime. The UK’s politicians have to learn their own law abiding citizens are a real resource to trust with the tools of self-defense.
The Brits will argue they allow self-defense but that ends when any weapon is used to ensure survival.
End of extract
But instead they installed literally MILLIONS of CCTV cameras.
London residents thought these ads were satire at first.
http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/big_brother_f.jpg
Article on the CCTV:http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2002/11/56152#
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/09/14/cctv460x276.jpg
This enrages me.
I was leaving a night club with my girlfriend last month and 2 men started shouting at me in the cloak room queue, i ignored it and carried on down the stairs, i paused at the entrance of the club to look for some friends i had been with that night and one of the two men walked up behind me and kicked me in the calf muscle, i turned round and he head butted me in the face. i reacted by punching him once which knocked him to the ground, at which point his friend ran in and swung a punch at me which i blocked and i punched him once as well, again knocking him to the ground. The first man got back to his feet and swung for me again which i avoided and at this point the police stepped in.
I thought i was perfectly within my rights to defend myself from both attackers, however the police issued myself and only one of my two attackers with spot fines for forty ponds, my one stated that i had committed a breach of the peace and had been in a stand up fight. The police refused to listen to anything i said, despite deliberately remaining calm with a low voice, i tried to explain that it was self defence but was told ”just shut it you could still end up spending the night in bell street (the local police station)”.
For me the breach of the peace law is a blatant violation of human rights, the most important is obviously that of defense of self and family. No wonder there are as many cases of people being attacked in crowded places in broad day light with on lookers offering no assistance, they are probably just afraid to break the law in a society where criminals have more rights than people who risk there own safety to save others
And that's just one story.
Read this: http://geoff82.wordpress.com/2006/11/27/the-right-to-self-defense/
A homeowner who discovered two robbers in his home held them with a toy gun while he telephoned the police. When the police arrived they arrested the two men, and also the homeowner, who was charged with putting someone in fear with a toy gun. An elderly woman who scared off a gang of youths by firing a cap pistol was charged with the same offense.
From another site:
I have no desire to travel to the land of George Orwell’s nightmares for any reason. Cameras are everywhere, in a land that disallows self-defense for simple survival. The Brits are obsessed with violence, knives and guns.
In the UK they’ve created a predator’s Utopia where every potential rape, robbery or homicide victim is absolutely unarmed and helpless. They have made total social outcasts of anyone who suggests self-reliance against criminal assault. The socially acceptable to react to attack is to lay down and die.
A recent sales gimmick here hoodie style sweatshirts are being sold with a small Swiss Army knife has become an adman’s dream. The sales effort garnered world-wide attention and exposure. The endless and shrill condemnation by the “sensible” crowd is selling the hoodie/knife combo off store shelves.
The Brits are suffering from some strange mass mental pathology. They must really believe their bans on weapons are somehow effective in controlling crime. Any real effort at statistical analysis would debunk those theories.
They must learn to punish violent behavior rather than weapons possession. Weapons are the only way people have to stop assault, rape, robbery and murder.
Training, concealed weapons permits and handguns will help the UK reduce violence and crime. The UK’s politicians have to learn their own law abiding citizens are a real resource to trust with the tools of self-defense.
The Brits will argue they allow self-defense but that ends when any weapon is used to ensure survival.
End of extract
But instead they installed literally MILLIONS of CCTV cameras.
London residents thought these ads were satire at first.
http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/big_brother_f.jpg
Article on the CCTV:http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2002/11/56152#
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/09/14/cctv460x276.jpg
This enrages me.
