[giggitygiggity]

I heard that there is a shotgun round that has a couple of balls with razor wire attached to them. Has anyone heard of this? If so do you have a link to this round? Thanks.

[highorder]

Second to the bottom (http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/12gaugeammo.html), but I wouldn't buy it or shoot it in any gun I value.

[Cromlech]

Well that sounds...pleasant. :O

Looking at some of those rounds that highorder linked to, I wonder just how much good some of them actually are.

[rcmodel]

$5.66 a shot!
Give me a break!

It's all Mall Ninja BS.

The last time two balls connected together with anything was used successfully in combat?

They were shooting the masts & rigging off a sailing ship, or mowing down solders during the civil war.

With a cannon & chain shot.

rc

[shockwave]

This Law Enforcement video, "Rounds of Authority (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ievbU3xIYGQ)," has a section on exotic shotgun shells and the twin-ball type referred to appear to be pretty nasty. So is the "buck-and-ball" combo. All types feature ballistic gelatin slo-mos.

[lobo9er]

is this stuff made by anyone credible? how reliable is it? doesn't seem worth it to me, take a half dozen to pattern the stuff thats kinda an investment for rounds you really would never use.

[oneounceload]

It's all Mall Ninja BS.


Seconded.....and if you were ever to use some of those in a SD/HD scenario, I doubt it would bode well for you.......

[lobo9er]

"rounds of authority" good video

[Cosmoline]

The last time two balls connected together with anything was used successfully in combat?

The Royal Navy used such a load out of huge cannon for taking out masts, so in theory I suppose this thing could be used for what. .. cutting string? I guess. Maybe demasting a model of HMS Victory in style? Beyond the novelty value there's not much use.

The tack one is just nutty. Out of a shotgun they'll ruin the bore and pepper the target with little tacks. Maybe for posting a bunch of fliers in a hurry? LOL

[shockwave]

Jeez guys. There's a link that shows exactly what the "Strung Buck" load does. The narrator calls it "devastating." In the ballistic gel it does far, far more damage than regular buckshot. Just skip ahead to 16.07 on the Rounds of Authority video and then come back here and call it "Mall Ninja."

[rcmodel]

For nearly six bucks a pop they need to compare one round of it to five rounds of double ought!

See how that does.

rc

[Cosmoline]

The video is high on dated anti-gun histrionics and low on facts.

Buck and ball is a very, very old load going back to the 18th century. Nothing mall ninja about it. But it isn't really necessary for modern firearms. It was used to give an effective rate of fire increase in muskets and increase the chance of hitting in combat. It scatters very badly, which I suppose was part of the point but limits the utility. You can get far more killing power from a magnum buckshot or slug load, plus much great accuracy and range.

The flachettes out of a mere 12 ga do not penetrate enough and damage less tissue than buck.

I'd want to see more testing of the "strung buck" bolos and I'd like to see the gel in something more than a grainy old video. I'd also like to see what happens if they bounce off something hard.

[DeepSouth]

The last time two balls connected together with anything was used successfully in combat?

They were shooting the masts & rigging off a sailing ship, or mowing down solders during the civil war.

I remember reading a Civil War book many years ago that explained why this concept was abandoned in the Civil War. Apparently in the heat of battle soldiers would get in a hurry and pack the two charges differently causing the balls to come out at different rates or speeds. Because they were connected it would frequently cause a spinning effect. This was causing the balls to veer to one side or the other and possibly onto the wrong solders.


I suppose it could be possible for the same effect to happen with the "Exotic Loads" available today, either way I don't think it's a good idea. If you used it for defense it would look real bad when a Prosecution Attorney got a hold of that info. I think RC has it right with "It's all Mall Ninja BS."

[shockwave]

I suppose it could be possible for the same effect to happen with the "Exotic Loads" available today, either way I don't think it's a good idea.

Regardless of how effective any "exotic load" might be, I agree it's probably a bad idea because these are novelty rounds, limited production items that are not likely to have the quality control of regular buckshot and slugs. Be fun to try some "box of truth" testing with them, maybe.

[MarkDozier]

When chain shor\t was used it was a defensive postuure.Anyone in front of the gun was considered an aggressor so precision didn't matter at all

[rcmodel]

pack the two charges differently causing the balls to come out at different rates or speeds. There were not two charges.

A single cannon was loaded with chain shot just like it was loaded with a single ball or canister shot.

Powder + projectile, or projectiles.

In the case of chain shot, the powder went in, the first ball went in, then the chain & second ball went in.

Upon firing, they both exited the muzzle at the same velocity and begin to separate and rotate around each others axis like a bolo.

It truly would be physically impossible to fire two cannon with the balls hooked together by a chain at the exact same time.

rc

[trol79]

Hey, I think the round at the bottom (the piranya) more weird, what's the use/theory of it? maybe for sadist's?what do you guess?

[rcmodel]

Like I already said.

It's all Mall Ninja BS.

rc

[Arkansas Paul]

I'm with rc. Total crap.

[Balog]

One would hope anyone old enough to legally buy a shotgun would be mature enough to realize these type of novelties aren't effective. Talk about wishful thinking...

[Sam1911]

I think the round at the bottom (the piranya) more weird, what's the use/theory of it?The theory is to separate the uneducated and misguidedly bloodthirsty from a significant chunk of money.

-Sam