Advice for my first handgun


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wcoats
February 2, 2010, 10:10 PM
I am in the market to buy my first handgun. I'm fairly set on 9mm. I have been thinking about getting a Glock 19. I went to a rental range and shot a Glock 19, Springfield XD, and XDM, and a S&W M&P. I enjoyed them, but don't like that they are all Double Action Only. I would prefer to have something that is Single/Double.

So my question is what options are there for a 9mm that is offered in Single/Double action, and I want to to to try not to spent much over $500 on it. One of my friends has an IWI Jericho that is Single/Double, I also like that is has a steel frame, and feels a little solider then any of the Polymer framed handguns that I've shot. What other similar handguns should I look into?

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The Lone Haranguer
February 2, 2010, 10:58 PM
A DA/SA steel framed 9mm? Check out the CZ75 and the S&W 5906.

REAPER4206969
February 2, 2010, 11:02 PM
Stick with the 19. You'll thank me later.

il_10
February 2, 2010, 11:03 PM
There are plenty of hammer autos that are DA/SA - most Sigs, CZs, etc. The guns you mentioned are all striker fired. The only striker fired DA/SA handgun that comes to mind in your price range is the Taurus 24/7 OSS, which is supposed to be a decent piece from all the reviews and provided you stay away from the older models.

LeontheProfessional
February 2, 2010, 11:05 PM
I would stick with the 19 but there is always the Sig P229.

tincanhunter
February 2, 2010, 11:12 PM
New and in the price range of the G19, Springers and S&W, check out the FNP9. If you want a metal frame, you may be able to find a used Sig P226/229/239 for not much more. Also may be worth looking into a Sig P6. The P6's are used German police/military pistols and can be had for $350 give or take. Many can be found in like new condition. If you do look at the P6, try and find one made 1989 or later since the feed ramp is modified to better handle hollow point ammo. For the P6, the date of issue is usually stamped on the right front of the slide.

Those are a couple of recommendations. I'm sure there will be many more :).

wcoats
February 3, 2010, 07:24 PM
Thanks for all the help!

So, should I go for something used like a Sig P225, or get an FNP 9, or go for the Glock 19 even though it is DA only.

I like what I've read on line about the FNP 9, but have never held one in person, and I'm kinda hesitant to order something I have never held.

shootr
February 3, 2010, 07:30 PM
All the guns recommended here are good ones. I suggest you go with the one that feels best in your hand - that's the one you'll shoot best IME.

For me in a 9mm it's a Browning Hi-Power. Despite all the newer pistolas I've fired, I just find I shoot better with that BHP. Ditto a 1911. They fit the hand, point naturally for me and feel good to shoot.

19-3Ben
February 3, 2010, 07:37 PM
Stick with the 19. You'll thank me later.

Ummm.....no.
When someone does his research and decides what he likes and doesn't like, it's kinda not cool to tell him that you know what he wants better than he does.

wcoats- if you don't want DAO, and you don't want polymer don't get them. Everybody has his/her own personal taste.

You have a very good instinct to avoid buying something you've never held. That'll serve you well in your search.

The Sig 225 that you mention, as well as the CZ 75 series, Beretta 92fs, Ruger P89, and any of the third generation S&W's (like the 5906) ought to do very very well for you.
Check them out and see which ones you like best.

RP88
February 3, 2010, 07:40 PM
Glocks are great guns. Say what you want about their appearance and the trigger, but for a lightweight all-round handgun, you won't find much better at its price point (even if you are paying too much for them nowadays). If you liked that Glock 19, then keep it in mind.

But since you would prefer a gun with DA/SA function, I'd try a CZ. Good price, reliability, and you can use it for pretty much anything as well: carry, bedside, HD, car, etc. I don't have one and haven't shot one, but you won't find a whole lot of criticism over them.

ReadyFreddy23
February 3, 2010, 09:24 PM
wcoats,

Glad you had the foresight to go to a range to rent and shoot a variety of guns. That's usually my first suggestion. I have many questions for you before I could even begin to make any recommendations.

What is the purpose(s) of the gun?
Are you going to carry concealed?
Will you be the only person using it or possibly a wife/girlfriend?
Are you mechanically inclined or not?

Nobody asked me those types of questions and I bought a great gun that I love. It feels great in my hands. It shoots better than me. The problem is that it's too big and thick for me to carry concealed.

Another important piece of advice if you plan to carry concealed is to take your time and buy the right holster. Don't be tempted by the cheap holsters. If you do, you'll probably end up with a shoe box full of holsters you don't really like or use (like me). Also, your belt is very important too.

I've purchased (2) HK USP Compact .45's, a Glock 30 .45, a Kimber Eclipse .45, a S&W 1911 .45, a Glock 17 9mm, a Kel-Tec PF9 9mm, a Seecamp .32, and a Seecamp .25. Of all the guns, the guns I've carried most were the small Seecamps (both .32 and .25) and the Kel-Tec PF9. Sold both Seecamps and primarily carry the PF9.

I love the other guns. They're all great. They're just too big and too heavy to conceal well for me.

Without knowing more, I'm going to assume you want to carry concealed. With that in mind, and your price range, my recommendations would be:

Glock 19 or 26
Kel-Tec PF9 (single stack 9mm, better trigger than P11)
Kel-Tec P11 (double stack 9mm, heavy trigger)
Kahr K9 (used)
Kahr P9
S&W J-Frame Revolver (I like the bodyguard versions with shrouded hammer)

Practice, practice, practice. Practice with purpose. Don't just spray and pray. Practice shooting various ways (2 handed, 1 handed, strong hand, weak hand, standing, kneeling, sitting, laying etc...). Aim small, miss small. Join IPSC or IDPA near you (forget about winning and shoot what you plan to carry how you intend to carry).

Get a laser for your handgun as soon as you can afford it.

Stay away from the mini .380 guns. Hard to find ammo and expensive ammo make it very hard to have enough ammo to practice with to become competent.

IdahoLT1
February 3, 2010, 09:26 PM
I really dislike the egos of some gun owners. If the guy doesn't want a DAO or polymer gun, don't effin suggest one.

That said, the cz's are good guns. The only thing I dislike about them is their low slide profile. It makes it difficultto rack sometimes. I'd suggest either a cz, berreta 92 or a s&w 5906.

Leafy Cronmer
February 3, 2010, 09:43 PM
I would suggest FN FNP9, or Browning Pro9 (same gun), or a Beretta 92. Both are quality guns and are decently priced as long as you shop around. Good luck, I'm sure you will find something you love.

Lincoln7
February 3, 2010, 09:45 PM
Beretta 92/Taurus PT92. Metallic frame for that 'sturdy' feel. DA/SA trigger. Proven design. 9mm. I've gotta try one of those CZ's, I've heard wonderful things about them, too.

wcoats
February 3, 2010, 09:50 PM
thanks for all the advice and suggestions!

First of all it won't be carried, it'll sit in my safe and make one to two trips to the range a month. This is why I don't need it to be really light, and DA only doesn't seem right for this either. I really loved the feel of the Glock 19, and I shot good groups with it, but it felt a little lighter then what I want.

I'm going to head out to my favorite gun shop this Saturday and take a look, I know they have a good selection of CZ's, but I'm not sure if that have a FNP 9 or a Sig 225. Everything I can find on google is good things about both of those, but I won't order anything if I can't hald it first.

Another gun that I'm toying with in the back of my head is a Taurus 1911 in 9mm. I saw one the last time I went to the gun store that wasn't to expensive(actually dirt cheap for a 1911, lol), but feel like my friends would give me endless crap for getting a 1911 that's not 45 auto or 38 super, but oh well.

19-3Ben
February 3, 2010, 10:01 PM
but feel like my friends would give me endless crap for getting a 1911 that's not 45 auto or 38 super, but oh well.

You have good friends.:)

wcoats
February 3, 2010, 10:04 PM
Also, I'm not to set against pollymer frames as long as it doesn't feel to light, and it isn't DAO. On that note does anyone have any experiance with teh CZ P07?? It looks nice and is Single/Double.

NMGonzo
February 3, 2010, 10:06 PM
I've been through glocks, hk, sig ...



I want a FN HP

ttheel
February 3, 2010, 10:07 PM
SIG. Nuff said.

nulfisin
February 3, 2010, 10:21 PM
For what it's worth, my first auto was a CZ 75. To this day, I don't think I've held a more comfortable gun in my hand. They are also durable and reliable. The triggers are just so-so, but you can always change it later if you want.

TPS
February 3, 2010, 10:31 PM
depending on the money you want to spend a ruger p89 as mentioned earlier is an economical pistol. they feed well and arent very sensitive to infrequent cleanings. iv had one since they came out. after many years of shooting it is still very reliable and accurate. it is not as tight as my gold cup 1911 or other customs but it only cost a fraction of those guns and 9mm ammo is cheaper. start your collection with what is comfortable to you and fits your budget. an expensive gun wont provide you with great shooting skills but time at the range will help with any weapon. welcome to the shooting community.

IdahoLT1
February 3, 2010, 11:54 PM
If you're fine with polymer framed I would recommend a beretta px4. It's the lightest 9mm I've ever shot

SOCO
February 4, 2010, 12:00 AM
+1 on Beretta's 92FS and PX4 Storm. Same basic design, but the Storm is polymer ... both are a dream to shoot.

AcceptableUserName
February 4, 2010, 12:19 AM
I'd look for a used but good Sig p226 or Browning Hi-Power, honestly. If not that then I'd recommend a Beretta 92 or Ruger p89.


I like Glocks, XD's etc, but for FIRST pistols, the above are a better choice imo.

bds
February 4, 2010, 01:09 AM
Stick with the 19. You'll thank me later.

Like selecting a tool for a job, pistol selection should be made based on intended purpose. Sometimes we are attracted to the lure of the shine - and believe me, that is often more than justified - modern gun manufacturers have done a great job of building fine shooting guns. For me, it was love at first sight with my Sig 226.

But like a nice new looking pair of jeans vs old comfortable broken in pair of jeans, we often prefer something that is comfortable over something that looks new and shiny - because it works better.

Going from 1911 with light reworked trigger, it was like "ugh" with the Glock trigger. But more and more I shot, especially under the stress of match shooting double taps after double taps, the ugly utilitarian Glock became more and more like that comfortable pair of jeans.

Does my heart still race when I pick up the Sig 226? Absolutely.
Do I feel content and powerful when I hold my 1911? Yes.
When I hold the CZ75, my hand becomes one with the pistol - Awesome.
These are truly mechanical engineering marvels and receive my standing ovation.

But, when I need to make two holes really quick and right next to each other, I reach for my favorite hole puncher - Glock, any one of them (some make small holes, others make bigger holes).

It's a tool. Not shiny. Not beautiful. Not ergonomic. But it does one thing very well - move bullets down the barrel.

It's not for everyone - some of us don't need two holes made that quick so close to each other with shaky hands.

Stick with the 19. You'll thank me later.

BTW, at our last shoot, I demonstrated another shooter's G17 by doing a fast off-hand aimed shot at a metal disk set at 150 yards - it went "ding" - Combat accuracy? :)

butters
February 4, 2010, 01:16 AM
Bersa Thunder UC or Firestorm Mini 9mm. SA/DA, midweight, 13 rounds, and a great value at ~$330-$350.

sidheshooter
February 4, 2010, 01:27 AM
Well now, what's yet another opinion? :D

Since you asked, and based upon the OP, I'd say (in addition to the CZ offerings; the P-01 is killer) take a look around for a clean, used 3rd gen S&W. I'm partial to the 6906, and I'm hardly alone in that opinion.

md7
February 4, 2010, 11:56 AM
if you are set firmly in the $500.00 price range, and are looking at new handguns i would suggest the following:

CZ 75B- Around $550.00 here
Beretta 92-Around $550.00 here
Ruger P series-Around $400.00-$450.00 range

all are DA/SA, all can be had in 9mm, and all but the Ruger have steel or aluminum frames.

If you look for used handguns, then you may be able to find some Sigs in that price range as well as some lowered prices on several others that have been mentioned already.

IdahoLT1
February 4, 2010, 08:06 PM
Dont be afraid to buy used CZ's and Beretta 92's. I bought my Beretta 92F(probably built in mid-80's) 3 years ago. It replaced a G19 and G23C that i bought new as my first pistols. They operated fine but in my hands, were very inaccurate and i just couldnt get used to the feel of them. I bought them because thats all i had heard of and thats all everyone recommended to me. Note that i didnt buy the guns because I liked them.

So i sold both of them to my buddy and picked up a used 92F for $400. I dont know how many rounds it had seen but ive easily put 3000 through since ive owned it and not a single problem. In my hands, my Beretta puts up better groups at 25yds than the Glocks did at 10.

wcoats
February 6, 2010, 12:35 PM
I'm not the prowed owner of a Sig P226 :)

I whent to the three gun shops yesterday, and at the last gun shop I had to make a difficult decision between a CZ 75 and the Sig P226. Both felt great in my hand, but I liked the triger pull of the Sig a little better. I'm going to take it to the range in a few hours to try it out.

So, my next question is where can I get and extra clip for my new sig P226?

bds
February 7, 2010, 05:17 AM
Try CDNN:

$33 for factory Sig mag with phosphate finish: http://www.cdnninvestments.com/sig2269mm15p.html
$19 for factory Sig mag with tactical bottom (not sure if these are true factory Sig): http://www.cdnninvestments.com/sig2269mm15w.html
Haven't tried these, marked LE but civilian legal (maybe someone else can verify):
$29 for LE factory Sig mag: http://www.cdnninvestments.com/sig2269mm15l.html

I also found Mec-Gar mag to be of very good quality in general $26 for 18rd: http://www.cdnninvestments.com/2269mm18anma.html

KevinR
February 7, 2010, 08:40 PM
Lincoln7 hit it on the head

Beretta 92 stainless on alloy single/double 9mm

GLOOB
February 9, 2010, 04:18 AM
I dunno why you'd dislike DAO for a range gun. I mean, a true DAO, I can see. But a polymer "fakey" DAO, like in a polymer gun, makes for a good range trigger.

Whenever I cock the hammer on a DA/SA, I feel like I'm cheating. And yet, I almost always cheat. :) With a DAO, you can't cheat on your practice.

If the G19 feels too light, then try the G17L. It's wicked fun at the range, and it's got a nice muzzle balance to it. The Beretta 92 is nice, if it fits your grip. It's definitely a soft-shooting gun that's great for rapid fire and long range sessions.

GojuBrian
February 9, 2010, 04:28 AM
Cz75b, Beretta92, then ruger P series. :)

gordy
February 9, 2010, 11:02 AM
if you can find a sig p6 they are great guns. single stack mag(can be hard to find) DA-SA trigger and a thin grip cost is under 500, will be closer to 400, there on the market now for three years. a used 226 or 229 will be close or over what you want to spend. S&W has lots of DA-SA 9mm, you should be able to find some in you price range.

oldpuppymax
February 9, 2010, 11:06 AM
You are big believer in opening worm cans, aren't you! Here's a thread which could extend to Obama's Kenyan "manger." Anyhow, get the Glock 19. Superb gun. Very accurate, little recoil, great price.

Zerodefect
February 9, 2010, 11:22 AM
Stick with the Glock 19. One of the best guns ever made! Its the perfect size for CCW most of the time.

The Glock trigger is hardly DAO. With a little help the Glock trigger can be improved greatly. It'll still feel horrible and gritty during dry fire practice, but under pressure that all disappears and the trigger works well when its actually needed. It deos smooth out a bit.

Also check out the Glock 23 and 32. Same frame as the 19, more power.

wcoats
February 9, 2010, 08:27 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions, but as I posted earlier I got a used Sig P226 :) and love it so far! But this is only my first handgun, there will be more to come in the future... as save enough money for them, lol

fourwedge
February 9, 2010, 08:47 PM
I too would recommend CZ. I have a p-01 among other guns...sigs and kahr's but my CZ is my favorite!

Mike J
February 9, 2010, 10:07 PM
Congrats on your purchase wcoats

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