J-frame concealed carry questions


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TimeIsRunninOut
February 4, 2010, 02:17 AM
I had a S&W 442 about a year ago, and am purchasing a 642 in mid March. My questions are do wood grips help keep shirts from creeping up? I used to have a kydex holster for 4:00 carry IWB (not so good comfort wise), is it better to use leather for a J-frame? I'm interested in appendix 2:00 to 4:00, would it be better for canted or straight? IWB or OWB? Pictures would be a great addition if you have any.

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cz85cmbt
February 4, 2010, 05:01 AM
I like comtac iwb, mine is a hybrid model, leather is against you while kydex keeps it shape for easy holstering but their j frame holsters are all kydex. You should call them and see if they can't do something for you. They are great to work with they might be able to adapt their kydex j frame shell to a leather backing. I use the spartan on my cz85.
http://www.comp-tac.com/catalog.php?cPath=28

ArchAngelCD
February 4, 2010, 06:42 AM
My questions are do wood grips help keep shirts from creeping up?
IMO the answer to that question is YES. Wooden grips won't grab the fabric and hold on to it.

I prefer to pocket carry my J frames but I do carry on my belt on occasion. I don't care much for IWB holsters because I don't like the feel but they can be the best choice for many. (just not me) I like this Don Hume (http://www.donhume.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67_357_223&products_id=44) holster for the belt. It works well and doesn't cost a ton on money. Also, The Silver Dollar Pancake from Simply Rigged (http://www.simplyrugged.com/store/index.html) is a great holster. It's comfortable for all day use as are all their products.

ChristopherG
February 4, 2010, 06:57 AM
The most comfortable carry there is, in my experience, is a J-frame in a leather pancake holster. It's short, so it's easy to conceal an OWB holster (and it will be easier when you get some wood grips. The very best there are, made especially for Centennials, are Craig Spegel's available from lightningarms.com; but any smooth wood grip will get you from here to concealed better than rubber). The most comfortable of the pancakes I've used is this little-known guy:

http://www.gun-holsters.com/holsters.html

No flash or razmataz, but a flat out well made, durable, comfortable and concealable holster. When I carry a J it's either in a pocket or in one of those.

heeler
February 4, 2010, 09:19 AM
Thanks for the link ChristopherG.
Just bought an older S&W M37 Airweight and have been researching various holsters for it.
Those holsters look nice and better yet are priced right.

TimeIsRunninOut
February 5, 2010, 07:34 AM
I found some smooth wood grips at midway for 55.00 and does anyone have experience with the Don Hume JIT holster? It looks like a steal at just under 20 bucks

OldMac
February 5, 2010, 07:55 AM
I have several Don Hume's. The quality is superb and the price was great too. I watch their overstocks and clearance for deals. Sometimes you get lucky and other times you compromise. I found a perfect fit for my 638 in brown. I wanted black but at that price it could be green.

myusername01
February 5, 2010, 10:26 AM
I have a Don Hume clip on IWB holster for my J frame:

http://www.donhume.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_5&products_id=35

They're not too expensive at $30 and they are well made and comfortable to wear.

KSCCHTrainer
February 5, 2010, 10:54 AM
I found some smooth wood grips at midway for 55.00 and does anyone have experience with the Don Hume JIT holster? It looks like a steal at just under 20 bucks
I use the Don Hume JIT slide on my 511 belt. I'm left handed and really like it as long as I can wear a shirt that doesn't tuck in.

For carrying tucked, I've made my own hybrid (Kydex/Leather) IWB that looks somewhat like the Crossbreed "Super tuck". It's extremely comfortable at the 7:00 position (remember I'm a lefty) and I can tuck my shirt in over it. Smooth wood grips (home made) for my Charter "Undercover" keep it concealed.

savit260
February 5, 2010, 11:00 AM
I found some smooth wood grips at midway for 55.00 and does anyone have experience with the Don Hume JIT holster? It looks like a steal at just under 20 bucks

The JIT is a nice holster, but I can't imagine it being usefull as a CCW holster in just a T-Shirt. It just doesn't pull the gun close enough to your body IMO to be usefull without a jacket.

The Don Hume 721 might be a better choice. The listing says "automatics" but there are a bunch of Revolvers listed undere "Fit Code"

http://www.donhume.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_5&products_id=44

ChristopherG
February 5, 2010, 11:14 AM
The JIT is a nice holster, but I can't imagine it being usefull as a CCW holster in just a T-Shirt. It just doesn't pull the gun close enough to your body IMO to be usefull without a jacket.

Right; it's half a pancake. Nothing to hold the front of the gun against the body.

Guillermo
February 5, 2010, 11:39 AM
in my experience wooden grips are less likely to "ride up" a shirt...but it can still happen.

ms6852
February 5, 2010, 08:22 PM
I prefere the rubber grips than I wrap them with rubber bands, I than use a cheap foam pocket holster that I use in side the belt either on my side or small of the back, or in a cross draw on the front of the pants.. The rubber grips wrapped in rubber bands along with the foam pocket holster keeps the pistol in place and will not fall out or into my pants. When I practice quick draws in all positions the pistol comes out every time and the holster stays in place.

NMGonzo
February 5, 2010, 08:29 PM
^^ we have the same holster

dairycreek
February 5, 2010, 08:48 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/dairycreek/PICADJUST-1.jpg

From the OP.

I'm interested in appendix 2:00 to 4:00, would it be better for canted or straight? IWB or OWB? Pictures would be a great addition if you have any.

The pic is of a Comp-tac 2 O'Clock Carry which is their version of a dedicated appendix carry holster and, from personal experience, it works exceedingly well for that purpose.

My revolver is a Ruger Sp-101 which is definitely in the J-frame "ball park" and would work very well with the 642. Great CCW combo.

I wear mine IWB with no cant and, for me, that is the perfect position. Easy to conceal and equally easy to draw and present rapidly.

TimeIsRunninOut
February 7, 2010, 09:01 AM
Has anyone had any experience with RKBA holsters? He's got some really nice looking pocket holsters and a custom low ride IWB. How much clearance should the grip have from the belt to make fast presentation? I have a M-tac for my Glock 19, cz85 and agree its a nice holster. I had a C-tac for a 442 and it was not so comfortable, the supertuck sounds like a good option. I have been looking around a lot at different holsters mainly for IWB, but do like the OWB holsters that have been recommended too.

Iggy
February 7, 2010, 09:13 AM
Simply Rugged Silver Dollar Pancake.

Best bang for the buck.


http://www.simplyrugged.com/store/index.html

ir3e971
February 7, 2010, 09:39 AM
+1 to The Don Hume holster myusername01 mentioned.

I use it constantly, closely followed by a sleeve for in the pocket.

Great buy, and a great product.

Paints
February 7, 2010, 12:49 PM
The perceived recoil is a lot higher with wood grips.

My wife's LadySmith .38 special with the pretty wood grips has more "kick" than my .357 Taurus with Hogue rubber grips.

I haven't noticed my shirt riding up on the grips although I guess it could happen. But then it could happen with wood grips too. It depends on the shirt and the holster.

NMGonzo
February 7, 2010, 01:28 PM
Belly band.

Deep conceal and practice.

Is not THAT much slower to draw from it.

John Wayne
February 7, 2010, 04:19 PM
Checkered wood or hard rubber grips do not cling to fabric as much as the soft rubber (i.e., Hogue) type grips, but the checkering still lets you get a decent grip on the gun.

If you already have a J-frame and the next one is going to be strictly for IWB carry, I'd rather have a 3" barrel (you get a full length ejector rod). On that note, I'd also rather have a K-frame to get an extra round, better grip, and better trigger.

Paints
February 7, 2010, 04:31 PM
I definitely agree with the 3" barrel for CCW, although they can be harder to find holsters for. I have a 3" Taurus 605 on my hip at the moment.

7an
February 7, 2010, 11:21 PM
642/442 in OWB Blackhawk leather holster:

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Speed-Classic-Leather-Concealment-SW-J-Frame,809,1418.htm

Pulls the gun close to your body, provides good retention and has a nice cant. Very comfortable; the J-frame simply disappears. Easy one-handed reholstering.

Put Crimson Trace laser grips on it and you're done.

DAdams
February 7, 2010, 11:50 PM
642/442 in OWB Blackhawk leather holster:

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Spe...e,809,1418.htm


Good choice for OWB. Mika Roundcut for pocket carry.

friscolatchi
February 8, 2010, 12:17 AM
I hate to disagree with the OWB Blackhawk but... I don't recommend it (the speed classic) as I have had retention problems with it. If you are active with the holster, ie lots of bending, kneeling and twisting, the revolver creeps out. It's a beautiful holster but I can't use it as I don't trust it. I dropped my M&P 340 into a stream when out in the bush one day. I gave the holster another chance 2 weeks ago when working around the property and noted that the gun was ready to fall out.

The Mica is the best bet for pocket carry. The gun exits the holster like butter. My Nemesis has a lower in pocket profile but sticks to the gun, so when it's drawn the gun and holster exits the pocket. I have to flip the holster away from the gun when training a draw from the pocket. I don't see a reason for IWB carry for anything less then 3".

Hope this helps.

DAdams
February 8, 2010, 09:11 AM
frisco what do you recommend for OWB of a J frame then for active wear?

I haven't given the BH the workout you have so I am disappointed with your experience.

Paints
February 8, 2010, 09:30 AM
When actively working around the farm, I tend to carry in a thumb break holster.

Ken

7an
February 8, 2010, 04:57 PM
friscolatchi, sorry you've had trouble with the Blackhawk. I can't even pull the gun out of mine with force unless I draw at a forward angle. Straight up or backwards doesn't work; the gun is stuck in the holster. The front end has that elastic piece that allows the holster to expand and release the gun. Might your holster be defective?

Best regards

DAdams
February 8, 2010, 06:14 PM
friscolatchi, sorry you've had trouble with the Blackhawk. I can't even pull the gun out of mine with force unless I draw at a forward angle. Straight up or backwards doesn't work; the gun is stuck in the holster

That's the way mine is.

friscolatchi
February 9, 2010, 01:59 AM
QUOTE: sorry you've had trouble with the Blackhawk. I can't even pull the gun out of mine with force unless I draw at a forward angle. Straight up or backwards doesn't work; the gun is stuck in the holster. The front end has that elastic piece that allows the holster to expand and release the gun. Might your holster be defective?

Gents,

I can't understand either. It appears to be a perfect fit and in order to draw the gun I have to cock it forward against the elastic just as you do. I could not believe that the holster was the problem until I tried it last week. When I checked the 340 it was leaning forward against the elastic just ready to pop out. Mind you I was in the house at the time without a coat on. The first time that I lost the gun I was leaning over a small pool of water at a stream wearing a jacket.

Believe me, I"m in love with that holster. I just don't trust it unless I"m at home. What I may do is use it again, keeping the Mika in my pocket in case I have to run out.

DAdams, I bought a desantis thumb break scabbard for the best possible retention. It's not as nice as the blackhawk, as a matter of fact it's butt ugly, but it'll do for now. I have 3 holsters from SimplyRugged for the 44's and the model 19 and I may try the pancake for the 340.

If I didn't live in NY and wasn't so paranoid about absolute concealment and exposure I wouldn't think twice about using the Blackhawk, unless I was over a body of water or hanging off the side of a cliff.

Dear OP, sorry for taking your question off course. I value all and any info from the folks on THR. Maybe we can bring the discussion to DAdams thread.

What do you use for IWB, or do you carry IWB?

Hope you're all well.

Frisco

TimeIsRunninOut
February 9, 2010, 07:31 AM
Is the blackhawk holster like the "avenger" style alot of companies sell?

jerico34
March 31, 2010, 04:00 PM
I have a Don Hume clip on IWB holster for my J frame:

http://www.donhume.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_5&products_id=35

They're not too expensive at $30 and they are well made and comfortable to wear.
(For myusername01 - or anyone else who knows the answer.)

Is the mouth of the Don Hume 715 reinforced enough to enable easy reholstering?

I bought an inexpensive Kirkpatrick Leather holster for my 642 and it's all but impossible to reholster without dropping your pants.

Youngrevolver
March 31, 2010, 09:27 PM
All of the Don Hume holsters I've seen were reinforced. I use to have the IWB h715 m w.c for my jframe. Now I use a blackhawk iwb for my sp101, it's ok but I think I
gunna buy another Don Hume. You can't really beat the bang for the buck.

JimGnitecki
March 31, 2010, 11:33 PM
Since we are talking CCW holsters, am I correct in thinking that if:

- IWB is NOT an option (since too many work days on "no gun" worksites and can't afford two wardrobes of pants), and
- the firearm is a 2" barrel but larger than a J and a bit large for a pocket carry holster, and
- The wardrobe restrictions require tucked in shirts but SHORT lightweight jackets are fine

Then a HIGH RIDE belt holster, and especially a belt slide holster, would maybe work, since the short barrel would be unlikely to come low enough to flash below the jacket?

Jim G

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