[Balog]

I've been browsing about trying to find a shotgun that fits a few critieria, and I'm not having much luck. I'm looking for: SxS 12ga, internal hammers, double triggers, with ejectors. So far the internal hammer models tend to have single triggers, and most of them lack ejectors. I don't care about appearances, I just want something stout and reliable. I was looking at the Russian guns, but can't seem to find one with these specifications. Am I missing something?

[oneounceload]

There are plenty of them out there made much better than the Russian guns. Depending on your budget, I can recommend several types. Actually what you're looking for is the most popular type of modern-made, well-made SxS

[glove]

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[Balog]

There are plenty of them out there made much better than the Russian guns. Depending on your budget, I can recommend several types. Actually what you're looking for is the most popular type of modern-made, well-made SxS

Really? Perhaps I've not been looking in the right places. I was concentrating on the budget models: as I said I don't care about fancy wood, engraving, or any of the other cosmetic things that seem to be the only real difference between the ~$300 imports and the ~$1500 models.

[oneounceload]

"Uggies", or Ugartecheas are a well-made Spanish double that start around 1200 or so and can go through several models up to $4000. Their basic boxlock, especially used, are a great value.....some of the older AyAs can be found (if used is OK) for 4-500 and are a real sleeper, IMO

These guns are splinter forearms, double triggers, ejectors, and a litheness that is far and above the 2x4 guns

[35Rem]

you won't find ejectors on a budget double gun.

Look at a Stoeger Uplander. Will have double triggers, but Extractors, not ejectors.

[Balog]

Used is preferable, actually. I'm a bit confused by your post though: are AyA and Ugartecheas the same manufacturer?

[oneounceload]

No, there are several very good Spanish makers. IMO, Uggies are the low end and Pedro Arrizabalaga the high end with AyA, Arietta, Grulla, and others in between. They copied the H&H and others at a MUCH lower price to the point that they are now the favorites in England because H&H and Purdey etc. are too expensive, yet the Spanish guns are exact copies and equally made.


If you have a Cabela's, Bass etc near you, they will typically have some to fondle. When you do, you will understand what I am talking about regarding litheness and feel....

[Balog]

And they are safe to modern modern heavy loads in?

[oneounceload]

They are modern guns safe to shoot with whatever they were made to handle. Some are 2-3/4" only, others are 3", depends on the model

Here are some Uggies for sale:
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Ugartechea-Shotguns-NEW-CATEGORY.cfm?cat_id=3665&CFID=6051124&CFTOKEN=a5285e43b97091d0-8F5DC910-0C3B-3C7B-898A67FBCF38685D

Here are some AyA:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Aya-Shotguns.cfm?cat_id=516&CFID=6051124&CFTOKEN=a5285e43b97091d0-8F5DC910-0C3B-3C7B-898A67FBCF38685D

Here is the main US dealer for Uggies:
http://www.doubleshotguns.com/ugartechea.htm

[Balog]

Hmmm, some of those AyA's look good. None specify ejectors though, but some state they are extractor. Should I assume that unless stated otherwise they are ejector? I need to email that seller...

[oneounceload]

If they are modern-day they should all be ejector guns. Unless you're shooting driven birds or engaging in some form of timed competition, IMO, that is not that big of a deal. In fact for a field gun, I'd prefer extractors - it makes recovering the empties a lot easier, as well as opening the gun somewhat easier

[ArmedBear]

Uggie definitely makes whole lines of extractor guns, as well as ejector guns.

http://doubleshotguns.com/ugartechea.htm

I don't generally shoot driven birds, but I do shoot some thrown or launched birds...:D

I.e., I find that an extractor gun works fine for dog training and testing.

[Balog]

Oddly enough I'm actually intending this one for social work, hence why ejectors seem important to me.

[ArmedLiberal]

Stoeger

http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_uplander.php

For social work -

http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_coach_guns.php