Best SD ammo for 9mm


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The grons
February 5, 2010, 12:53 AM
I have a Bersa 9mm Thunder 9 with a 4" barrel; I have 124 gr JHP Hydra shoks and 147 gr hydra shocks JHP and also some 93 gr solid copper hollow points. What would be best for my night stand gun? Also Will the 147 gr. damage the polygonal rifling on the gun?

Thanks

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meef
February 5, 2010, 01:24 AM
Put Federal 147 gr +P HST in it and sleep well.

And I'd worry less about the ammo damaging the polygonal rifling and be more concerned about how well it would damage the bad guy.

:cool:

Starcheck55
February 5, 2010, 01:29 AM
in before ".45 acp"

railroader
February 5, 2010, 02:12 AM
Hornady Critical Defense http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhXSTqV0CT4 This looks promising. Looks like they expand every time. Mark

CPshooter
February 5, 2010, 02:21 AM
Gold Dot 124gr +P

HST 147gr +P would be my next choice. Hydra-Shocks are an out-dated and very ineffective bullet design compared to the newer designs out there. HST > Hydra-Shock.

None of the bullets mentioned will damage your polygonal rifling whatsoever.

CamaroLovr
February 5, 2010, 03:10 AM
+1 on the HST. I use 124 +P to reduce excessive penetration but gold dot 124 +P would definitely be a very close 2nd. Agree on the Hydra-Shocks too. not really proven to expand as reliably as most more modern bullet designs.

IdahoLT1
February 5, 2010, 06:16 AM
I like Hornadys critical defense. I'll take damn near guaranteed expansion, low flash and quick follow-up shots over 50 extra ft lbs of energy from +p ammo any day.

Nuke8401
February 5, 2010, 07:24 AM
I find opinions on which ammo to use more of a personal choice based on the looks of the ammo vice its true performance. I like the way Golden Sabers look so I carry them. I doubt many that recommend a particular bullet/cartridge type have a better reason, i.e. proof by testing. You might check out this site as he tests all types of ammo.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/index.htm

D!rty H@rry
February 5, 2010, 07:44 AM
+1 on the HST. I use 124 +P to reduce excessive penetration


i use it more to make bigger holes. oven penetrations are a myth for the most part.

SOUTHPAW
February 5, 2010, 08:34 AM
My xD is ready to roll with 2 mags of the Federal HST.

I'm sorry but I feel more at ease with 20 of those in my 9mm pistol over 8 rounds of .45 in my old 1911... ;)

golden
February 5, 2010, 09:37 AM
I would go with the 124 grain HYDRO-SHOK. I use the +P version of this bullet because it was ammo I was issued when I carried a 9m.m. My agency had very good luck with it.
In all of my guns it has proven accurate as well and even the standard velocity version has a very good record on the street.

I would try the ammo for at least 100 rounds without a failure to feed or jam.
Then select the most accurate. Most of the 9m.m. hollowpoints will work as long as the velocity is high enough. I stay away from the 147 grain ammo as I think the velocity is too low and the posibility that a round might overpenetrate.

Jim

GForceLizard
February 5, 2010, 11:17 AM
Remington Golden Saber 124+P. If you can get LE only, Winchester Ranger 127+P+.

CamaroLovr
February 5, 2010, 11:39 AM
The tests I've seen on the Golden sabers show A LOT of jacket core separation tho...

Steve C
February 5, 2010, 04:02 PM
For the 9mm velocity makes the most difference and +P+ is the most effective but hard on the pistol. The loads you have are as good as any standard velocity load and quite effective and accurate in my pistols anyway. If your gun will function and shoot accurately with +P+ ammo get some and carry it for SD however there's no reason to shoot it for practice so stick with standard velocity ammo for that.

Personally I'd stick to ammo manufactured by the major companies and ammo of the type they sell to police departments like the Hydrashoks you have now. They do more testing and have a longer successful track record than the custom loaded companies that have sprung up and do a lot of sensationalistic advertising but have little in the way of actual street shootings or standardized testing to support the claims.

The stats from this website http://handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp can give you some idea of which ammo is relatively more effective than say another brand but don't get hung up on a couple percentage points as being of any significance.

MikePGS
February 5, 2010, 04:10 PM
I like the boxotruth site, but for the most part the medium they use to test isn't similar to human flesh. To their credit though I believe they acknowledge this.

Kingofthehill
February 5, 2010, 04:21 PM
IMO- call your local Police Department. Ask what they run and get some boxes for yourself.

God forbid you have to use it, I want to be able to say I use the same as our local PD's Finest. That way im not going to be looked at like a killer trying to find the most "Scary" looking bullet possible ie: Black Talon.

JOe

The grons
February 5, 2010, 07:50 PM
What about the 93 gr solid copper hollow points? I thought they would be good because of their volicity and light weight which would guarantee expansion and not over penetration?

Jenrick
February 5, 2010, 10:51 PM
In no particular order: Gold Dot 124gr +P, Winchester Ranger 124gr.

-Jenrick

REAPER4206969
February 5, 2010, 10:55 PM
9mm

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Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
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Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
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Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
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Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
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Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
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Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
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Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
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Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
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Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
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Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
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Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
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Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

Taurus_9mm
February 5, 2010, 11:49 PM
There are a lot of good choices out there. Personally I use Speer 124 gr. Gold Dots in my 9mm pistols but would feel equally as well off with a proven quality JHP from another maker i.e. Winchester, Remington, Corbon, Buffalo Bore, Federal etc...

skoro
February 6, 2010, 10:02 AM
I like Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, and Remington Golden Saber. All three have good records, as I understand it. The new Hornady Critical Defense ammo may be the best so far, but I haven't read any test data on it yet. I do have some in the magazine of my P3AT, though.

The grons
February 6, 2010, 12:46 PM
Surprised nobody has commentedd good or bad on the 93 gr hollow points - I thought someone would say that "something that light would fragment on impact" or penetrate 3 inches and expand very well...?

Zerodefect
February 6, 2010, 12:55 PM
Winchester Ranger T, Remington Golden Saber Bonded.

RandyB
February 6, 2010, 01:06 PM
My 9mm are loaded with either 124 +p gold dots or Winchester 147 JHP (Both are what I could find in my area).

model of 1905
February 6, 2010, 01:25 PM
JMO Corbon DPX 115 gr +P

481
February 6, 2010, 01:25 PM
There is no correct answer for this question.

"Best"? Our choices are all pure opinion and nothing more than that.

Kinda like asking what flavor of ice cream is "the best".

I like strawberry. :) Does that make it "the best"? For me, it does.

Distilled to its simplest, the real issue is what ammunition you have confidence in. What ammo suits my needs best, may not suit yours and vice versa.

Carry whatever you like.

Blakenzy
February 6, 2010, 01:48 PM
I don't think anyone here has had experience with the solid copper 93gr bullets you mention, that's why you are getting the runaround. But, judging from solid copper hunting rounds, I would guess that they do not tend to fragment at all. One advantage of a solid copper bullet is that they do not shed the jacket like some lead core JHPs do. However, the light weight + expansion may lead to less than recommended penetration values.

As far as choosing between the 124gr and 147gr hollow points you have, I would go with the 124gr, simply because I don't believe that the subsonic 147gr achieves enough speed to reliably expand. In other words, I would expect much more reliable expansion from the 124gr.

Oh, and regarding the 147gr damaging polygonal rifling, I don't think there is any merit to that claim. What is mentioned occasionally is that un-jacketed lead rounds tend to leave excessive lead build up in polygonal rifled barrels, which if shot a lot and never cleaned could eventually lead to a bore obstruction (Glock, I'm looking at you!). BTW I didn't know Bersa used polygonal rifling in their barrels.

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