what 380 is good?


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gutterman
February 5, 2010, 07:55 PM
give me your opinions on the best 380's for carry(ie. price,concealment,quality etc). I value your opinions-so let me have it.

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ew2x4
February 5, 2010, 07:59 PM
My friend carries the Bersa Thunder 380 and loves it.

Starter52
February 5, 2010, 08:03 PM
+1 for the Bersa. For cost and reliability it's the best .380 on the market.

Enachos
February 5, 2010, 08:04 PM
diamondback 380

dpeticca
February 5, 2010, 08:13 PM
I have a Sig P232. It is my best gun.

It's all metal.
It's got wood Nills grips that fit my hand like a glove.
The barrel is slightly longer than other 380's, giving most round a good bit more velocity.
It is the most accurate gun I have. The straight blowback design is the reason I suspect.


I keep it in a Galco shoulder holster and I forget it's even there.

usp9
February 5, 2010, 08:24 PM
In no particular order;
Sig P232, Beretta 84 or 85, Sphinx AT380, HK P7K3, CZ83, Kahr P380, Walther PP/PPK/PPK/s

Micro
February 5, 2010, 08:27 PM
CZ83.

D!rty H@rry
February 5, 2010, 08:37 PM
the sig P238 is rising to the top!

H-D Rider
February 5, 2010, 08:37 PM
Bersa 380 Thunder
Bersa 380 CC :p
Glock Model 27
Kel Tec P-11 9mm

All with ISP Holsters

gwnorth
February 5, 2010, 08:38 PM
Another vote for SIG P232 - superb little pistol. Not as small as the ultralight .380s, but much more "shootable" and IMO, a great size for carry. Available in either an all stainless (which I have) or a lighter stainless slide/alloy frame.

rfwobbly
February 5, 2010, 08:41 PM
If you were an NRA member you'd know that American Rifleman just did a cover story on that exact same question!

:rolleyes:

holysmoke
February 5, 2010, 09:05 PM
Got a Bersa 380--Ruger LCP--and am lusting for a Sig P238 Nitron with Rosewood Grips. LCP is my favorite today--Maybe the P238 tomorrow.

gutterman
February 5, 2010, 09:27 PM
hey rfwobbly-I am an NRA member-just haven't seen the article yet-thanks.

rellascout
February 5, 2010, 09:29 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/DSCF2034.jpg

Beretta 84FS Cheetah.

MICHAEL T
February 6, 2010, 12:27 AM
Bersa in 380 American Rifleman only covered some of the 380's Their a lot of choices out their

I also don't believe that test was correct All those pistols just happened to have trouble at same time. To many people report never a problem of these brands I have 4 keltecs 3 are couple years old and have never failed 4 th is new but has 50 trouble free rounds down range and wasn't even cleaned just oiled before shooting
I think test should be done over with different shooter.

MedWheeler
February 6, 2010, 12:59 AM
Yet another here in favor of the Bersa.. carrying one now. What it gives up in concealability, it makes up in pointability and grip. It's longer barrel also enhances both sight radius and bullet velocity.
Of course, there are some comparable guns in both 9x18 Makarov and 9x19 (Parabellum) as well (such as the CZ models). Both are more powerful rounds, and the latter is cheaper and more plentiful than the 380. I carry my Bersa because I don't own any guns in either of those calibers, but I feel just fine with it.

rswartsell
February 6, 2010, 01:12 AM
Everybody talking about .380 when shops haven't seen .380 ammunition to sell you for about a year, At least where I am. I was doing .380 carry years ago. With an FEG Hungarian knockoff of a Walther PPK, I honestly doubt any suggestions here would have served me any better.

I sold it to a friend with the caveat that if he chooses to sell it I get first dibs. I sold it to him at a bargain price because he needed it. If I get it back I know my .380 needs are well met.

forindooruseonly
February 6, 2010, 01:47 AM
Mauser Hsc. Excellent design and reliable. Neither of mine have ever failed to work, and an Interarms import can be found for about $300. In my opinion, it is one of the most underrated carry guns out there.

golden
February 6, 2010, 06:51 AM
I would go with the BERETTA 84 unless it is too large for your needs.

It is very, very reliable with a nice trigger and its large size for a .380 means that you have a grip you can hold onto, a 13 round magazine, good sights and a choice of "COCKED AND LOCKED" or traditional double action/single action carry.

If the grip is too large, you might try the model 85 with a single collum magazine.

Jim

AirForceShooter
February 6, 2010, 06:57 AM
Forget about which gun.
Can you get ammo??

AFS

Bill B.
February 6, 2010, 07:30 AM
I have a Sig P232. It is my best gun.

The Sig is the Caddy of the .380's. My Sig. 230 is accurate enough to hit a pop can at 25 yards about ever shot. The Kel Tech & Ruger & others my be easier to conceal but I don't think there are many that will match the Sig for accuracy.

Plain Old Bill
February 6, 2010, 08:39 AM
Beretta 84 and Mauser HsC. The Beretta is the cream of the .380 crop, and the Mauser is not far behind. I carry both, and have for decades.

Pilot
February 6, 2010, 09:02 AM
I often carry a Beretta M85FS (single stack version of the 84). Its a little slimmer. Great choice.

gwnorth
February 6, 2010, 09:11 AM
Everybody talking about .380 when shops haven't seen .380 ammunition to sell you for about a year, At least where I am.

Ammo availability seems to vary tremendously around the country though. For myself, I have little trouble finding it in the last 5-6 months. There seems to be a fair bit of WWB, Remington, and I picked up 100rnds of golden sabers a few weeks back and they had a full shelf of it. Another local store had stacks of Gold Dots a couple of weeks ago. All had enough .380 FMJ that they were no longer restricting purchasers to just two boxes, which they had been doing through the first half of last year.

Mad Magyar
February 6, 2010, 09:24 AM
PPK....Don't leave home w/o it....Some say too heavy for pocket carry: hogwash!:)

Gun Geezer
February 6, 2010, 09:37 AM
I often carry the Baby Eagle. I would rather have had the Kahr P380, but I have never been able to find one to buy other than Gun Broker.

The Baby Eagle is very small, shoots very accurately at 7 to 10 yards. But it is a challenge to hold onto. the front and rear grip is smooth and shiney.

I like the Bersa 380's also and all that are of that size and shape, but they are too big for pocket carry.

BTW, Cabelas has had 380 in-stock for several weeks now. $19/box for Fiochhi.

kokapelli
February 6, 2010, 10:28 AM
Although the Bersa (top left) is a good pistol for me it is too large for pocket carry. The Micro Eagle opposite the Bersa, or the P-3AT below the Micro, or the Diamondback below the P-3AT which all fire the same round as the Bersa are much better suited for pocket carry.

The Micro and the P-3AT have been 100% for me. The Diamondback is too new for me to comment on it's reliability, but I have high hopes for it.

The Kahr PM9 below the Bersa is smaller than the Bersa and fires the much more powerful and usually less expensive 9X19 round.
The snub would be my last choice for carry.

http://omploader.org/vM2d2MA/Pocket%20size.JPG

NMGonzo
February 6, 2010, 11:23 AM
Got a Bersa 380--Ruger LCP--and am lusting for a Sig P238 Nitron with Rosewood Grips. LCP is my favorite today--Maybe the P238 tomorrow.

I got a thunder .380 too ... and I too want a LCP for bicycle gun.

searcher451
February 6, 2010, 11:37 AM
Here's another vote for the Walther PPK and PPK/S models. The German-, French-, and Ranger-made (USA/Interarms) guns are all terrific and well worth your time to take a hard look at a proven design.

rogertc1
February 6, 2010, 12:10 PM
Hi Point makes a good 380

http://www.valorcorp.com/images/products/1991064.jpg

Mr. Whimsy
February 6, 2010, 12:50 PM
My PPK/S from S&W is a good gun. I pocket carry in the summer. My Beretta 84 is also excellent.

DonGlock26
February 6, 2010, 03:17 PM
For IWB/OWB: Sig P232

It's a great mix of accuracy, thinness, light weight, and reliability. The sights are great for a small CCW pistol.

Here's my P232 with P230 grips on for maximum concealibility.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DonGlock26/p232_2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/DonGlock26/p232.jpg

Pocket: Ruger LCP

swiftak
February 6, 2010, 03:40 PM
I don't want to insult anyones choice of guns, but I'm pretty sure no Hi Points or Bersa's are at the top of anyones good gun lists anywhere for any caliber. I understand its a matter of opinion, but come on.

kokapelli
February 6, 2010, 03:45 PM
I don't want to insult anyones choice of guns, but I'm pretty sure no Hi Points or Bersa's are at the top of anyones good gun lists anywhere for any caliber. I understand its a matter of opinion, but come on.
Makes a good club if you runout of ammo.:)

Fourbits
February 6, 2010, 04:45 PM
Take a lok at the new S&W 380ACP pistol.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&content=754501

May be worth waiting for?

Fourbits

Taurus 617 CCW
February 6, 2010, 05:56 PM
+1 for the Bersa

I have owned one for a year now and have not been the least bit disappointed in it. You get a lot of features for a decent price. It's not the smallest .380 on the market but it has worked for me every time I shoot it.

Bohemus
February 6, 2010, 06:02 PM
Ruger LCP - light, flat and cheap, but i doubt if will survive over 500 rounds..
Others are ZVI Kevin or CZ 83

03Shadowbob
February 6, 2010, 07:15 PM
I have had the Ruger LCP, the Keltec P3AT, the Bersa and the Sig P238. There is absolutely no comparison between the Sig and the others. My Sig has been 100% and it actually has sights (night sights at that). The trigger is 1000% better than any others I have fired and recoil is almost nonexistent.
The Diamondback is also working it's way onto my list.

verdun59
February 6, 2010, 07:50 PM
Kahr P380.

MedWheeler
February 6, 2010, 11:36 PM
I don't want to insult anyones choice of guns, but I'm pretty sure no Hi Points or Bersa's are at the top of anyones good gun lists anywhere for any caliber. I understand its a matter of opinion, but come on.

Swiftak, I take it you read none of the other posts in this thread.. The Bersa seems to be quite respected. No one asked what is at the top of your "good gun lists", only what guns in 380 are "good."

Dolph92
February 7, 2010, 12:02 AM
The one YOU shoot best and are most comfortable with :)

357sigRog
February 7, 2010, 01:01 AM
Bersa for me

Seedtick
February 7, 2010, 02:10 AM
I've got several hundred rounds (I reload) through my Bersa CC and it just keeps getting better. When I leave the house I don't pick up a Ruger, Taurus or even a Beretta, I pick up my CC. It's always in my front pocket.

I do plan on replacing it though. I keep hearing rumors of a 9mm Bersa Conceal Carry and if they ever hit the market I plan on having one. :cool:

ST

:)

NWCP
February 7, 2010, 02:27 AM
The Colt Mustang, or the Government .380 are both great little pistols. I'd like to get my hands on the new Kahr P380 and see how it shoots. Problem is I own a PM9 so the .380 Kahr would be a nice to have, but don't really need it pistol... like many of the guns in my safe. :D

butters
February 7, 2010, 09:24 AM
I carry a LCP and so far it has been a fine pistol. I think the Bersa 380s are great guns as well.

Comanche180
February 7, 2010, 10:12 AM
Thanks for the opinion SWIFTAK, you added a lot to the conversation. Now the OP has some useful information.

mustachio
February 7, 2010, 10:16 AM
I have a 1983 W. German version of the P230 and it is tops. I currently have the LCP for pocket carry. I have had the Bersa and sold it. I had the Beretta 85 and while it was a beauty, it was too big for the caliber. I sold it also. My vote goes for the Sig-reliable 100% and very concealable.

Gun Geezer
February 7, 2010, 10:50 AM
My desire in this area was for very small and very moistrue proof. The Micro Eagle fit this criteria for me.

It jammed on the very first shot. But none in the 100 rounds since then. I like the sights, but have painted the front ramp "red" for better visibility.

I wanted a Karh 380 for this same carry purpose, but could not find one, and wanted it also as I intend to carry the PM9. Still, I am very pleased with my MDE.

Gun Geezer
February 7, 2010, 10:54 AM
Forget about which gun.
Can you get ammo??

AFS
Cabelas had 380 in stock last week. Fiochi for $19.

KevinR
February 7, 2010, 01:18 PM
I have had a Beretta 84fs and a sig 232 I like the sig. I think the beretta is better built but the sig is smaller

78CJ5
February 7, 2010, 01:31 PM
I have a Beretta Mod 86 with the tip up barrel, and a Ruger LCP. I enjoy both of them.

sidheshooter
February 7, 2010, 06:19 PM
I swear, I must be the only guy on the planet that had bad luck with a bersa thunder .380.

After shooting a number of the new crop, I'm currently leaning towards the kahr p380, as soon as availabilty of the same intersects with my finances.

Most reliable .380 I own? A Beretta model 34 that I learned to shoot on as a kid (alongside a flatgate single six, of course). Never a single malf over numerous decades with that one.

Not the most practical carry piece these days, though... ;)

benzy2
February 7, 2010, 08:53 PM
I have a LCP and enjoy it. Works well for pocket carry. Can't compare it to the field but so far it has been 100% reliable and certainly accurate enough for its intended use. Not sure what more I would ask for.

usp9
February 7, 2010, 08:54 PM
I swear, I must be the only guy on the planet that had bad luck with a bersa thunder .380.

I just didn't care for it. Felt and looked cheap. Wait a minute...it was cheap. :uhoh:

D!rty H@rry
February 7, 2010, 08:55 PM
Not sure what more I would ask for.


no smilies?

EMUGOD
February 7, 2010, 08:55 PM
cz 82 + .380 barrel will be ~$100 less than an 83, and you can use the superior 9x18mak round.

Utah_Jay
February 7, 2010, 09:05 PM
My wife carries the Bersa Thunder .380. It has been a great gun. We have put around 800 rounds down the pipe with no problems. It will eat any ammo we feed it. The recoil is low and the slide is easy to rack, this is important for some women such as my wife. The only down side for some is the Bersa is not a "pocket" gun. It is larger than the Kel Tec and LCP.

I am looking forward to the new Bersa concealed carry .380. I am hoping it is under $350 when it comes out.

gbelleh
February 7, 2010, 10:02 PM
I've found these to be good .380s in my experience:

Beretta 84
Bersa Thunder .380
HK4
Kel-Tec P-3AT
Mauser HSc
Sig 232
Walther PPK/S

I'm sure there are many others, but these are the ones I've had good luck with. The one I carry most is the Kel-Tec (but I don't normally carry .380).

MCgunner
February 8, 2010, 07:16 AM
The Ruger LCP makes a great always gun.

BMF500
February 8, 2010, 07:40 AM
Never had any expericnce with the others, but I sure do like my LCP. Light, perfect pocket size and never fails.

heeler
February 8, 2010, 08:18 AM
For me this a very timely thread.
I am taking my CHL course in two weeks and intend to purchase myself a pocket .380 of some sort.
I already own a Colt Mustang PocketLite,which is pretty light at 12.5 ounces but in fairly tight bluejeans that cocked and locked hammer along with it's sharp protruding spur makes it less attractive for the pocket.
Since the Sig P238 is a clone of the Mustang I can only assume it's pretty much has the same issues.
I was at the gun show this weekend and looked over the Kel-Tec and Ruger LCP.
both were really small in the hand and pocket and I could have bought the brand new Kel-Tec for $253.00.
The LCP was for 289.00.
Truthfully The Kel-Tech seemed cheap for some reason too me compared to the LCP.
And from what I have read they seem a bit more quarrelsome with ammo feeding compared to the LCP.
Anyway after taking a break and drinking a bottle of water I went back to look them over again before buying one of them but they were already sold.
So I may check out that new Khar 380 and the new Smith that's coming out in May.
No rush really because the CHL instructor informed me it's taking about four months for the state to process the carry license and get it to you.
Keep this thread going as it is helpful to at least me.

MCgunner
February 8, 2010, 08:25 AM
If I were in the market for a pocket .380, I'd get the new Taurus 738, stainless, slide lock on the last round. They're a little new, yet, though, but I've been hearing good reports on 'em.

Those are great prices! Last LCPs I looked at, and a good price around here, was $320. i've about decided I don't need one, anyway, never carry the .380 I've got now. Prefer my 9 and my .38. These little pocket .380s, though, are all the rage and companies are still having a hard time keeping up with demand. You snooze, you loose. If you find one at a price like that and want it, you'd better not procrastinate. :D I think all of 'em are nice little guns. Some cost more, some have a little better finish, but from what I can gather without actually owning one, they're all pretty reliable.

There's a good write up on the micro .380 pocket guns in the "American Rifleman".

Just One Shot
February 8, 2010, 08:55 AM
Double post.

Just One Shot
February 8, 2010, 08:56 AM
LCP was my choice loaded with these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhXSTqV0CT4&feature=related

benderx4
February 8, 2010, 08:57 AM
Beretta Cheetah 84/85/86

Sig P232

CZ 83

kokapelli
February 8, 2010, 09:09 AM
This is what I carry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhXSTqV0CT4&feature=related
You carry a blond with a gun!;)

docpadds
February 8, 2010, 10:05 AM
The 738 TCP has been the honey for us recently, especially since theAmerican Rifleman article. Its difficult to keep them on the shelf to be honest, and they are impressive little pistols!

Marlin 45 carbine
February 8, 2010, 10:17 AM
I've owned a CZ83 (sort of regret letting it go), a PPK/S (fine pistol but not for X-Large hands) a Colt Mustang (another good one but I just didn't get fond of it) and now have a BDA. the Berettas are great also.
awhile back at the range an off-duty cop was trying out his new Bersa .380 for his off-duty carry and invited me to run a mag full through it. I was favorably impressed.
for my money though a CZ82 or a good Makarov are just as good if not better. the Mak is my ccw it seems to 'fit' my large hands well.

CZF
February 8, 2010, 11:13 AM
For pure shooting swetness. The big and heavy ( for a .380) Cz83
is great.

Carry is another subject.

I prefer something like this:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/GUNS2/MDE/MDE3.jpg

Not as light as a Ruger LCP, but there has been no recall on it.


Smooth DAO with low recoil.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/GUNS2/MDE/MDE%20High%20Noon%20Pocket/HNN6.jpg

A perfect back-up gun to my larger CZs, or with my Ruger LCR.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/GUNS2/MDE/DT380-banner.jpg

Jonah71
February 8, 2010, 11:26 AM
I like my Bersa Thunder .380 Deluxe. Especially with Mag Tech Gold +P's. Very accurate, easy to keep clean. And a few weeks ago everyone suddenly had .380acp's for sale so I bought a few hundred. I feel better now. When you see .380 ammo around here, you'd better stock up.

SOUTHPAW
February 8, 2010, 11:28 AM
As far as carry goes I love my Kel-Tec P3AT. :)

I absolutely HATE plinking at the range with it, but it's actually quite accurate and has been very reliable. I carry on a clip draw at 4-5:00 and does not print no matter what my attire. I can even take my shirt off and you can hardly see it! :eek: (Ruger LCP is pretty much the same pistol)

heeler
February 8, 2010, 11:31 AM
CZF,who makes that pocket holster??

Jonah71
February 8, 2010, 11:38 AM
I swear, I must be the only guy on the planet that had bad luck with a bersa thunder .380.

After shooting a number of the new crop, I'm currently leaning towards the kahr p380, as soon as availabilty of the same intersects with my finances.

Most reliable .380 I own? A Beretta model 34 that I learned to shoot on as a kid (alongside a flatgate single six, of course). Never a single malf over numerous decades with that one.

Not the most practical carry piece these days, though... ;)
No.....you're not the only guy to have trouble with the Thunder .380. I love mine BUT it can be a bit particular and expensive when it comes to ammo. I can count on it to go bang with the right ammo but I can't take it to the range and fire as much as I'd like. And that sucks because it's so much fun to shoot. I shoot it just enough to feel comfortable carrying it.

j21blackjack
February 8, 2010, 11:51 AM
I love my P238. I can shoot it all day at the range too (with reloads). I have the two tone with night sights. It's only slightly larger and heavier than the LCP/P3at, and it fits the same holsters. I feel very confident carrying cocked and locked in the pocket since the safety takes more than just a little flick to disengage.

gordy
February 8, 2010, 12:08 PM
Well I like the kel-tec over the lcp, it is a little smaller, and is a dao, if it were to get dropped there is no stricker to hit the ground. ruger has told us that they fixed the problem. but I like the hammer on a kel-tec. If the ruger went boom before it may go boom again.

Ala Dan
February 8, 2010, 12:11 PM
The most goregous of the bunch is a factory nickel Browning BDA; but I carry
a KEL-TEC P3AT .380~! :uhoh: ;)

kokapelli
February 8, 2010, 12:21 PM
Well I like the kel-tec over the lcp, it is a little smaller, and is a dao, if it were to get dropped there is no stricker to hit the ground. ruger has told us that they fixed the problem. but I like the hammer on a kel-tec. If the ruger went boom before it may go boom again.
The P-3AT and the LCP are both DAO and have almost exactly the same firing mechanisms and both have hammer driven strikers.

http://omploader.org/vM2htNQ/Parts%20list.gif

gordy
February 8, 2010, 04:36 PM
On reveiw of the pictures, I stand corrected. It seems the ruger is almost a exact copy of the kel-tec. that is so ruger. there is many more parts in the ruger. that may or maynot be a improvement. but I like the kel-tec.

verdun59
February 8, 2010, 05:02 PM
sidheshooter, this will make you feel better. You are not the only guy on the planet that did not have success with the Bersa .380.
Count me in that army too.
On another note, I see a couple of people say they want the Kahr
P380 but since they can't find one they have bought the DE Micro.
Hey I did the same thing, long story short, the DE Micro is gone
and I now have a Kahr P380. NOW here is the point .. there is no
comparison between the two, absolutely none ( other than the fact that the are both guns and both use .380 ammo ). I am not
bashing any guns here just expressing past experience. I never bash any guns with the exception of AMTs, and I can't help myself in that case.

TexasBill
February 8, 2010, 07:08 PM
Walther PK380. Priced just a little bit more than the LCP, but a lot more pistol for the money. Nine rounds, including one in the pipe, easy to shoot, big enough to hold onto, has functioned flawlessly with every type of ammunition I have fed it, flat enough to carry IWB under a loose shirt. I paid $450 for my First Edition with the extra magazine and holster but I've seen the regular version locally for about $350.

It will fit in a coat pocket or cargo pocket, but it's not designed to conceal in your underwear which is the only reason I can imagine for an LCP. I can (and have) put a couple of boxes of ammo through the Walther in a single visit to the range, but I'm not sure I would want to fire an entire box through the LCP unless I was wearing shooting gloves. The same is true of a a lot of the glorified derringers that combine too much "fire" with too little "arm." Self-defense tests enough skills; endurance doesn't need to be added.

My other .380 is a Beretta 84FS Cheetah. IMHO, it's a toss-up as to whether the Beretta or the SIG 232 is the best .380 pistol. Both are sweet-shooting, premium-quality firearms that will serve faithfully for many years. The SIG is more concealable, the Beretta has 14 rounds, including one in the pipe. The aluminum-framed Beretta does weigh in at a hefty 29 ounces, fully loaded, just three ounces less than my polymer-framed FNP-9 with 17 rounds, but it fits my hand so beautifully, it's still one of my favorite carry weapons. I have two Beretta leather holsters: an OWB thumb-snap and a shoulder rig. Both are molded to the gun and are quite comfortable.

For a normal CCW, I would highly recommend taking a look at the new Walther; I have been extremely pleased with mine.

Big Wes
February 8, 2010, 07:17 PM
Sig P230 for me, mine is accurate as all get go right out of the box. As far as the ammo situation, I roll my own in all the calibers that I shoot.

stchman
February 8, 2010, 07:19 PM
I really like my Ruger LCP. Small, lightweight, and easily concealable.

Cabela's had a whole bunch of .380 so I bought 700 rounds.

stchman
February 8, 2010, 07:36 PM
To kokapelli:

The P3AT and LCP have nearly identical dimensions.

P3AT:
L - 5.2
H - 3.5
W - 0.77
Wt - 8.3oz (without mag)

LCP
L - 5.16
H - 3.60
W - 0.82
Wt - 9.4oz (with empty mag)

Those are VERY similar numbers and the LCP can use P3AT mags. Also the LCP has a manual slide stop. The LCP has far better fit and finish than the P3AT. The LCP has all edges rounded while the P3AT has some sharp edges and corners.

sidheshooter
February 8, 2010, 10:38 PM
I never bash any guns with the exception of AMTs, and I can't help myself in that case.

verdun59, we must be walking the same path.

I can say this for my errant bersa .380: it is still a heck of a lot better gun than an older AMT backup I once knew in the same caliber.

Let's face it: unreliable, but handsome with a sweet trigger pull, still beats unreliable, homely and a trigger pull heavier than a 1940s case D tractor's hand clutch any day...

orionengnr
February 8, 2010, 11:16 PM
LCP about 10 oz, Bersa 24 oz empty. That alone disqualifies the Bersa from any serious consideration...in my mind. The only legitimate advantage of a .380 is that it is tiny and light. If it is neither, why not carry a more competent cartidge?

I have a 9mm that weighs 14 oz, and two .45acps that weigh 18.5 and 24 oz respectively.

Each is utterly reliable, has a good/great trigger (one is a 1911). True, neither caries 13 rounds, but I don't plan on missing that many times. And 13 x 90 gr does not even come close to 8 x 230 gr. :)

I own an LCP, and may buy a Kahr P380. None of the others hold my interest.

jjmc2001
February 8, 2010, 11:43 PM
I have a browning bda that shoots great and is very fine piece of workmanship. Although I admire greatly one of my lcps is always in my pocket. Size does matter.

Extremely Pro Gun
February 8, 2010, 11:49 PM
The Bersa is a good gun but POINTLESS the problem is that there are smaller 9mms!!!

I Like the Ruger LCP ONLY because its little!!!!

For example: The Walther PPS is the same size as the Glock 36 thats a big ***.

Just One Shot
February 9, 2010, 08:56 AM
You carry a blond with a gun!
:D

No, my wife's a brunette.

huntsman
February 9, 2010, 09:00 AM
give me your opinions on the best 380's for carry(ie. price,concealment,quality etc). I value your opinions-so let me have it.

I carry a BDA and if I wanted a pocket gun it would be a Seecamp LWS 380.

Steve 48
February 9, 2010, 11:00 AM
My German made PPKS is the most accurate 380 but I often carry the P3AT if it's summer.

verdun59
February 9, 2010, 12:12 PM
sidheshooter, since we are walking the same path, maybe you will be kind enough to tell me the next gun to be avoided. It's just costing too much the way I'm going.........

rccook16
February 9, 2010, 03:19 PM
Colt Gov. 380 is with me always and shoots anything I feed it. Handload so ammo is not a problem. A little bigger than the new ones but I have big hands.;)

RonBernert
February 11, 2010, 03:17 PM
I carried a Sig Sauer 230 until it got too heavy to carry. Then I moved to a PPK and didn't like it. I had an AMT .380 B'UP and sold it. I moved on to a Polish P-64 in 9mm Makarov and carried that one for a while.. he 9mm Mak had more punch and more available ammo. I like the .380 round, but availability really scares me....:what:

schiesz
February 11, 2010, 04:56 PM
Sig P230 got too heavy to carry and you moved to a PPK? Maybe we are talking completely different guns, but in my research I found the P232 weights in at 16.8 oz, and the PPK/s at 22.4 oz, both without mags. Is the P230 a lot heavier than the P232, or the PPK/s a lot heavier than a PPK? I can't imagine a P232 being too heavy to carry, but i'm a big guy.

Anyway, I see .380 ammo all ove the place in KC now. Its not always in stock, but if you look around a little you can always find it finally.

sidheshooter
February 11, 2010, 06:10 PM
sidheshooter, since we are walking the same path, maybe you will be kind enough to tell me the next gun to be avoided. It's just costing too much the way I'm going.........

:D

to quote the infamous Bill Clinton: "I feel your pain".

Wish I could help. All I can say is, for the love of pete, don't buy one of the new Taurus TCPs until we've had a few more range reports logged in...

:evil:

(and that is *not* a bash on Taurus specifically, btw, that is a bash on any new, quick to market, micro .380...)

JMidJr
February 11, 2010, 06:32 PM
While I only have 175 rounds through it, so far I'm impressed with the Diamondback DB380
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/jmidjr/Guns/diamondbackdb3801-1.jpg

RonBernert
February 12, 2010, 04:27 PM
Sig P230 got too heavy to carry and you moved to a PPK? Maybe we are talking completely different guns, but in my research I found the P232 weights in at 16.8 oz, and the PPK/s at 22.4 oz, both without mags. Is the P230 a lot heavier than the P232, or the PPK/s a lot heavier than a PPK? I can't imagine a P232 being too heavy to carry, but i'm a big guy.

Anyway, I see .380 ammo all ove the place in KC now. Its not always in stock, but if you look around a little you can always find it finally.
Sorry, I think I had them mixed up. You're right.. PPK then Sig. I remember now because after I got "bit" by the PPK once, I never shot it again. I liked the Sig, but someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse..

D!rty H@rry
February 12, 2010, 07:05 PM
"While I only have 175 rounds through it, so far I'm impressed with the Diamondback DB380"


does the mag realease painfully jab your trigger finger?

kokapelli
February 13, 2010, 07:57 AM
does the mag realease painfully jab your trigger finger?
The mag release is flush and just about impossible to accidentally activate.

Litlman
February 13, 2010, 09:34 AM
Interarms Walther PPKS has just made it in to my rotation. Nice little gun.

D!rty H@rry
February 13, 2010, 11:46 AM
The mag release is flush




maybe not!
if it was flush it wouldnt be jabbing me in the finger, would it?

;)


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115491&stc=1&d=1266079403

kokapelli
February 13, 2010, 01:44 PM
maybe not!
if it was flush it wouldnt be jabbing me in the finger, would it?

;)


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=115491&stc=1&d=1266079403
Here's mine and although it's not really flush it doesn't stick out nearly as far as your's does. I wonder if they modified the ejection button? Mine is actually below the thick part of the grip.
http://omploader.org/vM2pqdA/Ejection%20button.JPG

skipbo32
March 12, 2010, 04:46 AM
i got my sig 232 for $450 on gunbroker bran new with three mags. i love it. why?.....well, if i could use one word it would be simplicity. simple design breaks down easier than any gun on the planet. no funky chucky saftey switches catching on clothes. sig was very smart to put the european mag release on the bottom of the grip as well. most people whine about this because they like the tactical drop free button. well a .380 is not a tactical gun...its a pocket gun. the drop free mag release on pocket guns are unsafe and most pocket guns have them. the sig p232 is a classic and sexy as hell. the blued one is light weight and that is my cc. i had to get the solid stainless steal one as well because IT IS the sexiest gun on the planet!

if you dont have the dough. get a bersa thunder. they are ugly as sin, but get the job done. they are aslo available with double stack mags (which just adds more weight if you are going to carry).

the grip is a tad big and .380 ammo is hard to find....other than that, this gun is damn good.

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