The obligatory fired casing with CA guns.


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Five-O
February 7, 2010, 03:41 AM
Why does California have the obligatory fired casing that comes with the purchase of a handgun? Is it somehow connected to the gun itself? Like if it's used in the commission of a crime and they find casings, can that lead to the owner of the gun? I find that hard to believe so wondering what is the real purpose.
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PT1911
February 7, 2010, 03:45 AM
No... that is something that is done with every factory new gun... it is proof of their test fireing and function testing before shipping it to the wholesaler.... From what I understand anyway. We get the same thing in Alabama and I suspect evey other state.

The Lone Haranguer
February 7, 2010, 09:02 AM
AFAIK (former Californian) it is not a requirement for California, which has no "ballistic database" law. Rather, the manufacturer ships every gun with a fired case because it has no control of where the gun will end up in the distribution chain.

wbwanzer
February 7, 2010, 09:11 AM
In liberal anti-gun states like the People's Republic of Maryland where I live, the fired case is required by the state police for any new handgun purchase. I don't know the technicalities of such things but my basic understanding is that the case would have markings similar to a fingerprint that could later be compared to fired cases found at a crime scene. Not a single crime has ever been solved in Maryland because of this fired case database. It's just something to make the antis feel good.

I suspect that places like California and New Jersey and New York would be doing the same thing for th same reason. Not all new guns ship with fired cases.

The Lone Haranguer
February 7, 2010, 09:32 AM
In liberal anti-gun states like the People's Republic of Maryland where I live, the fired case is required by the state police for any new handgun purchase.
For a liberal state, they sure are restrictive. :p But I digress. Does the dealer take the case out of the packaging and send it to the state police along with the paperwork?

DeepSouth
February 7, 2010, 09:47 AM
In liberal anti-gun states like the People's Republic of Maryland where I live, the fired case is required by the state police for any new handgun purchase. I don't know the technicalities of such things but my basic understanding is that the case would have markings similar to a fingerprint that could later be compared to fired cases found at a crime scene. Not a single crime has ever been solved in Maryland because of this fired case database. It's just something to make the antis feel good.

WINNER!!!

In some states (Maryland may be the only one) it is required to be turned in, so that they can use it to help with crime solving. From what I understand the indention made by the firing pin is "supposedly" different for every firearm, the problem is that it obviously doesn't work, because no crime has ever been solved using one. So now it is just a system used to suck up tax dollars from hard working Americans.

WardenWolf
February 7, 2010, 10:38 AM
And the even more humorous bit is that these markings would obviously change somewhat as the firearm is broken in. You're taking a factory new, effectively unfired firearm and using that for the test. Most semi-automatic firearms require at least a hundred rounds or so to properly settle in. I'd be willing to bet that "fingerprint" would be significantly different ater 100 rounds.

bds
February 7, 2010, 12:26 PM
And the even more humorous bit is that these markings would obviously change somewhat as the firearm is broken in. You're taking a factory new, effectively unfired firearm and using that for the test. Most semi-automatic firearms require at least a hundred rounds or so to properly settle in. I'd be willing to bet that "fingerprint" would be significantly different ater 100 rounds.

And especially if you change the firing pin/striker. ;)

belus
February 7, 2010, 12:47 PM
A single piece of evidence will never "solve" a crime. Crimes are solved when all the evidence is woven together to form a coherent and plausible beyond a reasonable doubt story.

wbwanzer
February 7, 2010, 01:57 PM
To The Lone Haranguer, yes, the FFL sends the spent case to the state police (we're talking Maryland here). Every new handgun must have one. If you buy used, there is no requirement. Not all manufacturers provide one. EAA for instance, does not. I found a used Witness Elite Match so I was able to get around the requirement.

It's just another layer of BS to go through for no good reason except to make the law makers happy.

nalioth
February 7, 2010, 06:32 PM
No... that is something that is done with every factory new gun... it is proof of their test fireing and function testing before shipping it to the wholesaler Up until recently (in my lifetime), no gun was shipped with these.
The factories ship them with all guns, instead of having to spend numerous man-hours separating out the guns bound for MD and other states with similar laws and sticking fired cases in those particular packages.

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