Hardest kicking gun you've ever shot?
evbutler462
February 8, 2010, 10:51 AM
Thinking back over the past seventy years, I've fired a few single barrels that got my attention. I suppose the only one that really hurt was a tenite stocked Stevens 94 made in the 1940s. That plastic stock made it as light as a feather. Same punishment at both ends of the gun.
Some years ago, when Stoeger came out with the first genration of their 2000 models, though the gun was reliable and cycled anything stuffed into it, it rocked me pretty good. I couldn't handle the recoil of that old gun so I gave it to my son. When the new generation M2000 came out three years ago, I liked the looks of it but was hesitant to buy it due to the recoil. The gun shop clerk told me that if I put a good pad on it, that I wouldn't notice the kick. I bought it and a Limbsaver #10008, $26.95, and the gun shop screwed it on for me.
Believe it or not, it is one of my favorite guns now. It shoots like a 410. I shoot slugs and buckshot in it hog hunting.
I think I'll vote for the old model 2000 for the worst kicking gun I've ever shot.
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ATAShooter
February 8, 2010, 11:00 AM
1148 Remington 12ga I borrowed one time... Beat me like a rented mule.
jimmyraythomason
February 8, 2010, 11:07 AM
Stevens 94 12ga with hardwood stock. Man that thing was nasty!
GrandmasterB
February 8, 2010, 11:07 AM
H&R Topper single shot 12Ga kicked hard. I also had a Stevens 311 side by side 12Ga with double triggers. I pulled both triggers simultaneously "just to see what would happen". :what:
Jonah71
February 8, 2010, 11:12 AM
Maybe I was just a skinny young kid at the time (1962), but I seem to remember my Uncle's old Browning 12 ga. having quite a kick. Especially when I was use to shooting my Stevens .22 bolt action. A bit of a difference.
oldpuppymax
February 8, 2010, 11:13 AM
I've owned a hundred or more pistols, but have never much cared for rifles. My first experience with a fairly lightweight 30 06 was very instructive. I fired 5 rounds and had a blue and yellow left shoulder for 2 weeks.
SlamFire1
February 8, 2010, 11:14 AM
H&R Topper, 12 GA with slugs or buckshot. Try to shoot one prone with slugs. I tried that to determine exactly where it was printing. I won't do it again.
HGUNHNTR
February 8, 2010, 11:15 AM
Browning A-Bolt slug gun followed by a Weatherby Mark V in .460 wby, w, and w/o the brake.
Believe it or not the Abolt seemed to kick harder, but I'm sure the fact that it was shot off of the bench, and the Weatherby was shot freehanded had something to do with it.
PT1911
February 8, 2010, 11:16 AM
interesting... I have a steven's 94 12 ga and it is a pleasure to shoot.. Sadly and interestingly, it is one of my favorite shotguns.. Extremely light, fast to the shoulder, and I always found the recoil to be tame....especially as compared to my Bakail side by side 20 ga... I cannot explain it, but that gun HURTS. I love it and the way it shoots but it just plain hurts.... and it is a fairly heavy double barrel 20 with a decent recoil pad.
ghitch75
February 8, 2010, 11:26 AM
.460 weatherby ....hurts!!!...i like a gun with kick...but not that much!!! 1 is all i wanted:cuss:
12g 1148 10+1...large men put it down after 1 shot:what:
http://i47.tinypic.com/258pbpu.jpg
12g Bounty Hunter both barrels @ once high brass...same as above:what:
http://i46.tinypic.com/1j2c1x.jpg
KevininPa
February 8, 2010, 11:41 AM
My father-in-laws 10G H&R single. It's his turkey gun. That baby hurts!
halfded
February 8, 2010, 11:46 AM
H&R single shot 12 gauge got me too. Even with 2 recoil pads, that thing kicked my skinny rear end pretty good!
Cut down the barrel and re-carved the stock into a pistol grip, now that's a good time! It was actually WAY more comfortable to shoot that way and I even hit a couple skeets with it.
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt332/halfdedsphoto/i6E74972D-15D8-4808-8CA0-4C99F10B44.jpg
PA Curmudgeon
February 8, 2010, 11:48 AM
Remington 700 BDL, chambered for 7mm magnum. That one was 'snappy'.
Hunterdad
February 8, 2010, 11:50 AM
My 12ga 870 shooting Remington Buckhammers
ReloaderFred
February 8, 2010, 11:53 AM
A Rossi Coach Gun with 3" #4 Magnums. That gun was no fun to shoot at all.
Fred
308win
February 8, 2010, 11:53 AM
10ga SXS. I don't recall whether it was 3" or 31/2", in fact I am trying to erase any memory of the whole experience.
Will-Seattle
February 8, 2010, 11:57 AM
I fired 2 shots off the bench with a 470 nitro express. That was fun. It gave me an interesting right shoulder click for a few weeks. No residual problems.
Will
MCgunner
February 8, 2010, 12:13 PM
A light weight Spanish built Sarasqueta double barrel shooting slugs, or the time my finger slipped off the front trigger and tapped the rear, both barrels shooting 3" goose loads. OUCH!
My 10 gauge H&R rocks pretty good with 3.5" T shot and 00 buck loads, but it ain't as bad as that old double shooting a slug. Neat thing, though, that thing shoots like a double rifle, really accurate. No Kentucky windage to counter barrel regulation, either, at least at 50 yards, which is unusual on a cheap double gun.
I've shot up to .375 H&H for rifles and nothing kicks like that old double with slugs.
owen
February 8, 2010, 12:14 PM
Denel NTW-20 chambered in 20x110. shooting prone, I slid back about 3" after every shot.
Most painful was a Marlin lever action in .45-70 with full house hunting reloads or the S&W Scandium .357. In both cases, I shot 3 rounds and quit.
thebigc
February 8, 2010, 12:18 PM
definitly the pardner single shot with magnum goose loads it has a bit of a kick but after learnining to hold it really tight to my shoulder it does not bother me much anymore just after 3-4 rounds i get a slight buttpad shaped bruise the next day and its sore.
MCgunner
February 8, 2010, 12:19 PM
BTW, that 10 gauge H&R is a turkey model, but I goose hunt with it. Last year I put 22 rounds of T shot 3.5" through it in one morning. I was sore for a day or two, but no worse than a good morning with that old 12 SxS shooting 3" 12, really. It does kick a little more, but the stock fits better. That right there accounts for a lot of hurt if the gun doesn't fit well.
MCgunner
February 8, 2010, 12:21 PM
or the S&W Scandium .357.
I heard DAT!:D
rattletrap1970
February 8, 2010, 12:41 PM
.45 Winchester Mag. I shot an LAR Grizzly at at a gun show years ago at Blue Trail range in Connecticut. Holy crap. After 3 rounds it felt like someone beat my hand with a mallet. Fun.. But, ouch.
19-3Ben
February 8, 2010, 12:51 PM
Shot a friend's Benelli Nova with 3.5" loads. Ouch.
Of course there's the Mosin M38. That kicks like mad, and the steel buttplate doesn't really help much. Shooting it from the bench is... well, it's an experience. I'll say that much!
rondog
February 8, 2010, 01:42 PM
My brother bought some crappy single-shot .22's just like this one, totally useless. But he also has a single-shot .410 exactly like this, steel frame and all, and that's the hardest kicking little s.o.b. I've ever shot. Truly painful to shoot. No idea who made 'em.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/skeleton22rifle-1.jpg
stchman
February 8, 2010, 02:04 PM
A buddy of mine had an H&R single shot shotgun that split apart(I am not a shotgun expert).
We loaded 3" magnum shells with 00 buckshot and that thing kicked like a Missouri mule. It kicked so bad we both had nice big bruises on our right shoulders. I refused to shoot it after a while.
We finally taped a pillow to the butt stock to make it shootable.
I don't know if the shotgun was rated for 3" mag, but we did it anyway.
MachIVshooter
February 8, 2010, 02:32 PM
Never fired a shotgun that I would consider "brutal". The hardest I've ever been pelted was by my own .375 Ultra using 300 grain handloads. 2,970 FPS, IIRC, 103 grains of powder (I'll have to check my log). Calculated recoil of the 7.5 pound 700 BDL SS was 82 ft/lbs at 23 MPH.
I think I've put maybe 80 rounds out of that rifle in the 7 years I've had it.
My buddy's CZ safari in .416 Rigby was quite tolerable by comparison. It knocked me good, but the recoil of the bigger, slower bullets is not nearly as sharp. His rifle was also a couple pounds heavier. That BDL is just too light for that cartridge.
19-3Ben
February 8, 2010, 02:56 PM
I don't know if the shotgun was rated for 3" mag, but we did it anyway.
Proof that Darwinism doesn't always work:p
millertyme
February 8, 2010, 03:04 PM
.300 RUM w/o a break
RippinSVT
February 8, 2010, 03:54 PM
Handgun: 500 S&W, or Czech Skorpion on full-auto
Rifle: .458 Win Mag in a Ruger No. 1
Shotgun: Ithaca Mag 10...with 3.5" slug shells or heavy shot.
dak0ta
February 8, 2010, 03:57 PM
NEF pardner in 12 ga is pretty stout.
SwampWolf
February 8, 2010, 04:03 PM
No idea who made 'em.
For your information, they were made in Italy, imported by Garcia from 1968 to 1978 and were called the Garcia Bronco.
hogshead
February 8, 2010, 04:03 PM
Mossberg 835 with 3.5 buckshot, Rem 760 steel butt plate 35 Wheelen, Taurus Titanium 44 mag, in that order.
Tom Held
February 8, 2010, 04:04 PM
The most punishing rifle I've shot is a 500 Jeffrey. 535 grain bullet @2400 fps with 7,000 foot pounds of energy. A 460 weatherby is a close runner up. Ammo for the Jeffrey runs just under $20 a round. The 375 H and H is a pussy cat compared to the other two.
Handgun would be the 454 Casull in the Ruger Alaska Guide Gun model.
Ben86
February 8, 2010, 04:06 PM
It's got to be my dad's old family relic 12 gauge with a hefty STEEL buttplate. STEEL! What were they thinking? That thing will wear out your shoulder in a hurry.
Mountie855
February 8, 2010, 06:06 PM
Friend's 600 Nitro Express in an H&H Double- in summer, T-shirt, with what seemed like a "cast-iron recoil pad"...nasty bruise lasted a while.
Fired two rounds, never felt the need to repeat the experience!
scchokedaddy
February 8, 2010, 06:32 PM
rifle-7mm weatherby mag weatherby custom rifle shotgun nova pump 12 gauge 3.5 00 buck pistol 500 smith none were any fun
bob9125
February 8, 2010, 08:02 PM
8". Charge 7, White Bag on a humid night. The concussion is unreal. [;-)
plumberroy
February 8, 2010, 08:09 PM
H&R 12 ga turkey gun 24" barrel extra full choke plastic stock just a little over 5#. I decided right there if I'm going to shoot a 3 1/2 shell it is going to be a 10 ga they are no where near as brutal.
One of the navy arms costum shop 58's made for their 71 safari 160 grains of fffg and a 500 grain minie ball. It rattle the windows a 1/4 mile away and ripped wholes all the way through 55 gallon drum full of wet ash (my 45/70 with class 3 reloads wouldn't go through) 4 shots And I was black and blue.
Once fire a spanish double 10 from the hip both barrels :what: won't do that again :D
Roy
Al LaVodka
February 8, 2010, 08:15 PM
No. 5 Enfield Jungle Carbine in .303. This military gun is so tough it was issued with an integral rubber butt-pad, however, after sixty years it is basically as hard as a rock. I used it to make a "Rambo" at the range cry once.
Hot .44 Mag. outta my trapper (16") lever-action kicks surprisingly hard too -- lightweight and a pretty thin butt. Hey, sounds EXACTLY like my girlfriend!
Al
highorder
February 8, 2010, 08:20 PM
Most painful was a Marlin lever action in .45-70 with full house hunting reloads or the S&W Scandium .357.
Owen and I somehow had exactly the same answer.
That .45-70 was brutal. I fired two rounds and set it down on the bench.
blackrussian
February 8, 2010, 08:24 PM
.50 Desert Eagle or a Saiga 12. The Saiga was more fun.
dbb1776
February 8, 2010, 08:31 PM
Revelation single shot 12 gauge. Even with bird shot it hurts.
dbb1776
February 8, 2010, 08:32 PM
I've fired 45/70 rugler single shot, 12 gauges, 500 S&w, 44's but that revelation hurts.
Izzy77
February 8, 2010, 08:40 PM
I also have to agree the steoger m-2000 ( defense mod. in my case) is one HECK of a kicking SG...Much worse than a stock Mossberg 500.
I want to get the mercury recoil reducer...but it's 75 USD + Shipping...
Maybe next year.;)
DeepSouth
February 8, 2010, 08:47 PM
New England arms 10 Ga with 00 buck shot
351 WINCHESTER
February 8, 2010, 09:09 PM
350 Rem mag. in a 600 Remmy. A real pleasure to carry in the woods and hoped I only had to shoot it once.
Ridgerunner665
February 8, 2010, 09:16 PM
+1 to the above...
But the hardest kick I've received was from a 458 Win mag (Winchester model 70)
five.five-six
February 8, 2010, 09:19 PM
.300 WM weatherized ruger with now break, 220 grain bullets.... Ehh,
m44 nagant with heavy ball.... grow up
Mossberg 500 with 1 oz slugs.... my wife's favorite round, and she's small
but the styer M95 carbine.... OMG it's like getting hit by a truck.... that thing has given me several bloody lips
Gtone
February 8, 2010, 09:20 PM
Had a Beretta O/U go double-bang on me once. That's about the hardest recoil I've ever felt in a long gun. Maybe the time I used Federal's tactical OO Buck out of an IAC 1887 Lever action. Old fashioned recoil system of wood, steel, and shoulder.
devildog32713
February 8, 2010, 09:29 PM
I also had a Stevens 311 side by side 12Ga with double triggers. I pulled both triggers simultaneously "just to see what would happen".
haha, sounds FUN
orionengnr
February 8, 2010, 09:38 PM
:rolleyes:
Arkansas Paul
February 8, 2010, 09:51 PM
Long gun - H&R single shot 10 gauge with slug
Handgun - Smith and Wesson airweight .357 mag loaded with full throttle loads. I've shot a .50 Desert Eagle and a Super Redhawk in .480 Ruger and neither kicked liked that dang airweight. You pulled the trigger and it hurt.
oldwheelieguy
February 8, 2010, 10:04 PM
This is an easy one. Don't remember the brand of gun but it was a single crack barral 10 gauge 3 1/2 magnum 36" goose getter. I shot it once!!!!!!!!
The doctor said I would be ok just don't do it again.:rolleyes:
Virginian
February 8, 2010, 10:05 PM
First place, a Zephyr Thunderbird 10 gauge SxS imported by Stoeger in the '60s. I was a 16 year old, and touched off both barrels at once on passing geese in the sand dunes below Sandbridge, Virginia. Killed a goose, and almost did me in as well. The guy who owned it grabbed the gun as I went by down the back side of a dune.
Second, 378 Weatherby. Just viscious. The rubber fitted scope objective still put a big cut in my eyebrow - tons of blood. Turned me off to anything bigger than a .257 Weatherby for 30 years.
MikePGS
February 8, 2010, 10:26 PM
When I was 13 or so my Grandparents bought me a 20 Gauge Remington 870 Youth Express. I started with slugs since that's all the range would allow. The thing crushed my shoulder and I had a huge bruise for a couple of days. However, when I actually went hunting I used Buckshot. Much to my surprise it had virtually zero recoil. Since then I haven't shot anything... including ,30-06 that even came close. Grandpa also let me shoot .357 mags the first time I ever shot a pistol (after some .38's) which also helped get used to handgun recoil. Pretty good deal on my end :D
wrs840
February 8, 2010, 10:33 PM
12ga 3" Remington Nitro Magnum Max #4 out of a Mossberg 500 24" bore-bbl.
Ouch!
My Father-in-law gave me those shells because he'd had quite enough of them too...
Les
AKElroy
February 8, 2010, 10:36 PM
1 & 7/8s oz 3" magnum 12 guage turkey loads in my 18" aluminum framed defender. Hurt my shoulder, my cheek bone, all over. Pretty orange muzzle blast kept me coming back for more. Like, 3 more. Then that was enough.
Edit for more pain---S&W 340 Scandium; 158 gr. full-house .357 mag loads. 1 was enough. More than enough. It is a .38 special now, and forever more shall be.
Independent
February 8, 2010, 11:03 PM
I used to do a lot of bench sighting of 12 ga slug loads. I'm no stranger to recoil that hurts. Heck, I even owned a 10ga single barrel that I had cut down and chocked down to be a turkey buster. But in terms of sheer pain when firing, nothing compares to a humble .44 mag Timberwolf slide action with "adjustable" stock that used to regularly implant my right thumb into my right eye orbit. It's specific recoil signature imparted an amazingly painful blow directly to the right cheek bone, that often deflected right up into the eye area. Holy Smokes that was painful, and all from a nominal "handgun" round that was exacerbated by a really, really badly designed carbine stock. I doubt anybody can appreciate it that didn't actually suffer from it. Man, I wanted that gun so bad before I had it, then I tried sooooo hard to like it, but it got to the point that I was flinching before I ever got it loaded. I went back to saner things like firing 12ga Brenneke slugs off the bench from lightweight Wingmasters and firing .338s and such. Much more pleasant.
ssjones
February 8, 2010, 11:22 PM
My Izaak Walton League and a local gun shop hosted a Smith & Wesson gun demo last Fall. My daughter and I had an opportunity to fire the S&W500.
Wow, that was a handful. Here's a video of my daughter getting her one shot.
Hmm, trying to embed the video didn't work very well. Here's the link:
http://outdoors.webshots.com/video/3011857600062237293QzLwPk
olydraft
February 9, 2010, 12:37 AM
Remington mdl 700 ADL 300 Win. mag. 3 shots and I was ready to howl. I found a slip on rubber butt pad at the local gunsmithy shop and could run round after round thru it then, but with no butt, pad you would have had to shoot me with it to pull the trigger a forth time.
josh...just josh
February 9, 2010, 11:44 AM
I have a few I guess,
1. NEF single shot 12 ga, those kick everyone
2. My buddies Mosin Nagant was one of the most unpleasant things that I have ever shot
3. M60 with the bipod set too low so it was on my collar bone, I had a bruise the size and shape of the buttplate from that one!
dbarale
February 9, 2010, 11:51 AM
My grandpa's 10ga SxS Verney-carron loaded with whatever he cooked for geese.
Ouch! x Ouch!
heeler
February 9, 2010, 12:15 PM
My most painful memory was shooting five consecutive Remington 2 3/4 inch "Slugger" foster slugs from a light as a feather NEF single shot 12 gauge Pardner across sandbags on a 50 yard range.
Christ that hurt!!
A very inaccurate slug shooter as well.
Never even hit the 12"x 16" target.
hatchetbearer
February 9, 2010, 12:17 PM
Some OLD Winchester bolt in .300 win mag, a cheap scope with no eye relief on top knocked me stupid on the 2nd shot.
shotgun-wise, a PGO Ithaca 37 clone. I made the mistake of trying to hold it up and use the sights. back of the gun right to the mouth.
handgun? a Ruger Blackhawk in .45LC just didnt know what to expect.
pat86323
February 9, 2010, 12:28 PM
handgun= that s&w 500 thing after emptying two cylinders i thought my trigger finger was broken
rifle= when i was 10 and decided i wanted to shoot my dads old howa 7mm mag, or my ruger44 carbine loaded with full house rounds. Each shot isnt so bad but after a few shots you realize you are hurtin.
shotgun= cant really think of any particluar gun that whooped me but i can remember being young and wanting to shoot 12ga over my 410 dove hunting i tried 3 different 12's and all three beat me near to death.
AcceptableUserName
February 9, 2010, 12:41 PM
probably my Winchester 12 as a kid. No recoil pad. 3" magnum slugs. I was 10. Haha.
chas08
February 9, 2010, 01:29 PM
I've never been recoil shy, at least not until age and arthritis has made me become more aware of my limitations. But the most unpleasant, downright painful, recoil experience I've had was finding the right slug combination for a scoped Remington 870 12 ga for a "shotgun only" hunt in Illinois a few years back. I shot several different brands of slugs over a few weeks prior to the trip searching for the best setup ( it ended up being Brenneke) at ranges from 25 to 125 yds. Prone, offhand, sitting, bagged, till I was confident that I could make the shot under most conditions. My shoulder was sore for a month. But it paid off, I got my deer and havent shot a slug since. Not even my 7mm Rem.Mag or my 45/70 are that brutal.
Hornet 6
February 9, 2010, 01:43 PM
An old and very lightly built Beretta 12 g single shot, weighed about 4 or 5 lb.
I used it for rabbits with little Eley 2 inch cartridges, and it was great fun.
But it had a 3 inch chamber, and I just had to try them, never again 15 years later and I still shudder when I think of it, and will always wonder if it was the cause of all the shoulder problems and surgeries I have had over the last few years :o
Neil. :)
AcceptableUserName
February 9, 2010, 01:55 PM
chas08,
if you don't mind, how are you coping with the recoil these days? Age is starting to catch up with me physically, and I need to look towards that. I rue the day I ever consider moving out of the 12 gauge realm. Let's hope it never comes!
chas08
February 9, 2010, 02:36 PM
if you don't mind, how are you coping with the recoil these days?
I don't mind at all. I'm 54 yrs old and have arthritis in my right shoulder. I don't shoot for recreation (especially the larger calibers I own) as much as I once did. I've had good recoil pads put on all my heavy hitters. I still shoot my 10ga on Geese and a 12ga on Ducks. In recent years I've shifted from pumps, SxS's and O/U's to gas operated semi-autos. I don't often hunt two days in a row anymore. On a typical day I may only shoot 10-15 rounds. I can usually tolerate that without any meds, but when the shoulder starts hurting nothing works for me like the over the counter painkiller "ALLEVE". Except for, good sour mash whiskey or single malt scotch, providing the hunting/driving is over for the day and in moderation of course.;):D
AcceptableUserName
February 9, 2010, 02:40 PM
thanks for the inset. definitely appreciated. its a reality EVERYONE here will have to deal with.
oneounceload
February 9, 2010, 02:48 PM
Having pulled both triggers as a lad as well, that DOES impart a push to the shoulder. However, firing an 8 gauge industrial gun, even on a tripod, gave me room for pause. That was a monster
Jubjub
February 9, 2010, 03:03 PM
Rifled slugs out of a 20 gauge Franchi 48. A 5 1/2 pound gun with a plastic buttplate shooting 3/4 oz of lead at 1500 fps. Ouchy.
AcceptableUserName
February 9, 2010, 03:07 PM
Pulling both triggers would be quite the shock as a child, one might think. :D
4sooth
February 9, 2010, 06:29 PM
Double rifle--over and under chambered for the 9.75 by 54R. European made with steel buttplate. Beautiful gun, first rate engraving and furniture to die for! Brutal is not the word for this firearm--one shot and headache for the rest of the day. The owner shot this thing off the bench for 20-30 rounds!
Bud Tugly
February 9, 2010, 06:33 PM
Another vote for the H&R 12 gauge. Mine only had a 2 3/4" chamber and was brutal with slugs or high-brass loads.
I can't imagine 3" or 3 1/2" shells in one.
earlthegoat2
February 9, 2010, 07:18 PM
Single shot 10 gauge. This is a good one for the light and fast crowd.
PJR
February 9, 2010, 08:02 PM
My most memorable are....
Shotgun: Benelli Nova with a 3-1/2" turkey load.
Rifle: .378 Weatherby. I found it worse than the .460 but not by much.
otcconan
February 9, 2010, 09:03 PM
I might sound like a wuss for saying this, but mine was my brother's 1903A3 Springfield. Way more recoil than a Ruger .44 Magnum lever action.
But then, I am 5'4" and weigh 110. That's why I hunt doves with a 20 instead of a 12.
Oddly, I have a Chilean Mauser chambered for 30-06 and sporterized as a hunting rifle, and it doesn't kick nearly as much. I shoot it a lot.
tactikel
February 9, 2010, 09:27 PM
Mossberg 835 with Win. 3.5" buckshot (54 pellets of #4 buck) -It kicked so hard I started laughing:what:
76shuvlinoff
February 9, 2010, 09:31 PM
Not a fan of nor do I have much experience with brutal kicking firearms.
Worst for me was my Wards Hercules 12 ga single with slugs. The stock is so short my thumb busted me in the nose when I fired it and that was probably the worst part... then I cut a foot off the barrel and learned where to place my thumb. Since my shoulder is wrecked from a murdersyckle incident I shoot this one from the hip these days.
rustycrusty
February 12, 2010, 02:17 AM
My Browning BPS 3 1/2" with #4's. Kicks 2X as bad as my 3 1/2" Benny Nova!
It is worse than two other BPS's that others owned and I shot to compare.
about 30 different people have shot this gun only my son and I shot it twice in a row, the rest shot it one time and said that was enough! Browning says nothing is wrong with the gun and won't even look at it!:cuss:
rswartsell
February 12, 2010, 03:49 AM
Never had much trouble with 12 ga., lucky I guess. Moved up gradually on handgun but still the first shot from a SBH .44 mag was a revelation. Had a definitely unpleasant cumulative effect from bench-resting a day's worth of Remington 700 30.06. Had a Pachmayr decelerator pad installed after that.
But I am going to vote with ridgerunner for the Winchester 70 .458. Damn, I don't have any reason to do THAT again.
Aaron12
February 12, 2010, 04:12 AM
either has to be a: IAC lever action 12G with BB's in it, 18 inch barrel all wood stock, lefta bruise on my shoulder for about a week. or a Lee enfield .303 with handloads full wood with a metal butt. that hurt after about 5 rounds.
sharpshooter1212
February 12, 2010, 04:34 AM
.557 t-rex. got a chance to shoot one at a range near ft walton florida, and it was by far the most rediculus gun i have ever seen. the shock knocked my hat off.
Fred Fuller
February 12, 2010, 09:57 AM
Back in the mid-1970s a friend had a Boys rifle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_anti-tank_rifle ) that had been rebarreled/converted to .50BMG. It still had the 'harmonica' style muzzle brake that didn't really do much if anything to help with recoil.
Makes me appreciate the 'shark brake' on my Serbu... and haven't ever found anything else as bad as that Boys.
lpl
SwampWolf
February 12, 2010, 09:59 AM
Browning says nothing is wrong with the gun and won't even look at it!
What could possibly be "wrong" with it to recoil harder than you like? :confused:
rustycrusty
February 12, 2010, 12:15 PM
That is what I wanted to know. I wanted to send it back for them to check it out but the Jackalope I spoke with just made sarcastic remarks about me not being able to handle "a little recoil". He completely ignored me when I told him that NO ONE would shoot it twice. Also no other BPS I've come across kicks like that. As light as the Ben Nova is it still kicks less than the BPS. The BPS with 3" shells is worse than the Nova with 3 1/2" shells. I suspect the barrel is not bored quite right, just a guess. NO guess on the chances of ever getting me to buy another Browning. They USED TO be great guns.
19-3Ben
February 12, 2010, 01:10 PM
Get it in writing from Browning that they will not look at the gun after hearing your claim. Get Browning to agree that if independent gunsmith finds a problem that would cause excessive recoil, they will fix the gun and reimburse for fee of gunsmith.
Then give gun to gunsmith and see if there is actually something wrong with it. If not, then you're just a wuss.;)
If so, send to Browning, along with the invoice from the gunsmith's evaluation.
swampboy
February 12, 2010, 01:10 PM
12 gauge Ithaca Model 37 Featherlight that I got for Christmas when I was 12. Then again, I was 12...
Cosmoline
February 12, 2010, 01:18 PM
The Ithaca featherlite with Brenneke magnums was one of the most intense kickers I've ever shot. It felt like the shotgun was coming apart--because it was! It didn't break but it was getting wiggly. I don't think they intended for it to be shot with anything that potent.
The Styer-Mannlicher straight pull carbine shooting amped up surplus was very brutal as well.
Also the Iranian Mauser carbine with full power 8x57JS. And of course the Ruger No. 1 firing .45-70+P mega-slugs
But overall the very worst recoil I ever had was from my .54 smooth rifle flintlock. I screwed up the load and the ball got stuck on soot half way down the barrel. I must have been chatting with someone and didn't notice. It didn't kaboom, but it punched me so hard that my chest hurt for a week.
[Pb]
February 12, 2010, 01:20 PM
My grandpa's 80 year old H&R single shot when I was about 12 years old... Almost knocked me over. The stock finally split apart from three inch slugs, and it didn't have a recoil pad of any kind.
foghornl
February 12, 2010, 01:29 PM
"tenite stocked Stevens 94 made in the 1940's"
Shotgun like I started out using.."Pops" shotgun was the 16-Ga version, Mdl 94B with that 'tenite' stock/forend. Not sure hwen made, though.
Toss-up in handguns...One of those "Ultra-Light-Tanium" S&W's w/full-house .357Mag loads, or Shooting Budd's "Amercian Deringer" , again w/.357 full-house loads.
45crittergitter
February 13, 2010, 03:18 PM
In no particular order:
.378 Wby. Mag., no brake
.416 Rem. Mag., about 9#, no brake
12 ga., 3-1/2", 2-1/4 oz. turkey loads, 7# gun
.458 Win. Mag. single shot
If Boddington weighs in, he's gonna win this one - I just read of his experience with a .600 that doubled on him...
reckless carolinian
February 13, 2010, 08:24 PM
Hey 45, did you read his article on the .700? Took 3 men to keep him from falling on his backside.
QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW
February 13, 2010, 08:32 PM
mosin nagant thus far
dancer
February 13, 2010, 10:07 PM
The one that leaves you in pain for the rest of your life... In my case, a Remington Model 11 semi-auto shooting 2-3/4" 0-buck (at mistletoe in the top of a red oak tree!). Blew out a cervical disk 12 years ago. Post-surgical arthritic deterioration means that I take narcotic pain meds every day, plus other side effects. It wasn't the gun or the loads but probably the elevation of the barrel plus a too-relaxed attitude about the effort. :(
HGUNHNTR
February 13, 2010, 10:46 PM
Lazzeroni 308 Warbird, the recoil was manageable, but the real pain was in the $120/20 ammo.
ChefJeff1
February 13, 2010, 10:47 PM
Mossberg youth, 12 gauge with slugs. I sold it.
ricklin
February 13, 2010, 11:52 PM
It's not the caliber as much as the position! Prone hurts!!! Just can't soak up the recoil like you can from other shooting positions. The worst I ever beat myself up was a long afternoon with my Hawken and 500 grain bullets. From prone it left me black and blue.
BHP FAN
February 14, 2010, 03:21 AM
H&R single shot 12 ga....with a slug.Turned out that barrel was full choked...who knew?
cottonmouth
February 14, 2010, 03:39 AM
Not sure what model it was but it was a 12 gague double barrel that had been reamed out from 3" to 3-1/2". Buddy wanted me to shoot both barrels at one time so we put two buckshot in it and when I pulled both triggers my left foot came off the ground! Made my .458 Winchester seem mild.
J.B.
Al LaVodka
February 14, 2010, 08:52 AM
J.B.
I have some questionable guns I'd like you to proof for me -- when are you available?
Al
Mp7
February 14, 2010, 09:27 AM
... definitely the 59.95$ Wallywolrd single-shot.
It was the first shotgun i´ve ever shot.
A friend in highschool let me try Granpa´s collection
... to show the european what kentuckian gun obsession means.
compared to the 870 and a Remington semi 12.ga
the korean-times M14 and the 1903 .... i shot on that day
that walmart POS will forever be unforgettable.
Dunno what maker ... but it looked
like the "Sterling" of shotguns,
a steel pipe with hammer, trigger
and a "lock" that would put a german engineer to tears ....
(... call me a girl, but i liked my squirrel gun the Fox Savage 16.ga
SxS the most. Very elegant gun. Loved it.)
boondock843
February 14, 2010, 10:02 AM
Remington 870 Express Super Magnum loaded with 3 1/5 inch goose shot. It will make you sore.
All synthetic and almost as light as the shells.
cottonmouth
February 14, 2010, 01:33 PM
Al, I won't be back in the states for a while but Ill let you know!
J.B.
coolcloo1019
February 14, 2010, 09:41 PM
Has to be my grandfathers 12 gauge with 3" turkey magnums. I can't remember what it is, I believe a Remington (I know, very vague)
Nick5182
February 14, 2010, 09:45 PM
I'm not sure what model of shotgun it was, all I know is that it was a 12 ga, semi-auto, that you actually had to grasp the barrel and push the barrel down into the receiver to cock it, and every time you fired it, the barrel would move back into the receiver and cycle the action, but that thing kicked like you wouldn't believe.
LeontheProfessional
February 14, 2010, 10:40 PM
My Savage 511. Both triggers at once.
HKGuns
February 14, 2010, 11:31 PM
Browning BPS with 3.5" goose loads. Ouch.
Oyeboten
February 14, 2010, 11:57 PM
Long time ago, I was out with some people shooting Shotguns at Skeet.
Guy handed me a shell, said 'Try this one'...
I had a 1902 production Model 1897 Winchester, from which I had been shooting a hodge-podge of old 2-1/2 inch Paper low base shells my dad had since the 'thirties, of whatever sort of Birdshot.
I tried the Shell he had handed me, and 'BOOM!!!!" there was a noticable difference in recoil and report.
I felt worried I may have hurt my Shotgun it was so extreme.
My Gun was alright, far as I could tell...but the shell had been a Three or three-point-five Inch 'Magnum' of some kind, with a heavy rifled Slug...I had noticed it was longer, but, I was young and naive.
Not so good.
Later, learning more, I realized this was an error in judgement I would be careful to never make again.
Since then, with whatever Arm, if someone says 'Here...try one of these', and hands me a round, I say, "No thank you..."
Lol...
ol' scratch
February 15, 2010, 12:01 AM
A Winchester model 71 in .348. Also, a double-barrel 10 gauge that touched off both barrels. It wasn't one big boom, but BaBOOM as one barrel fired and then the other.
Gordon
February 15, 2010, 12:13 AM
Back in the bad old days of early 60s a neighbor youth had a Winchester 37 12 ga.with the barrel cut off even with the forearm maybe about 11" or so. He hands me the gun out at the "dumps" with a slug and tells me to shoot the dumpster about 20 feet awy. Well it DID put a slug thru the side of the dumpster allright, but also put the hammer spur thru the web of my 15 YO hand ! THAT was the hardest kicking SG I've ever fired!
Hornet 6
February 15, 2010, 05:42 PM
thanks for the inset. definitely appreciated. its a reality EVERYONE here will have to deal with.
I already am, these days although I can still use the SxS 12 it is with 2 3/4 shells only, and not many of them.
95% of my shotgunning is now done with a 6 1/4 lb O/U 28 bore, and even then I use 16 or 21 gram loads for clays (once or twice a year), and not too many of them.
I can still cope with 1 oz 28 bore loads for game, but I have more or less given up rabbiting with the shotgun, now I use the .17HMR, no kick and cheaper to run than the 28 bore.
Neil. :)
RUGER SCOUT RIFLE
February 15, 2010, 07:45 PM
When I was in 6th grade I got my first shotgun NEF Pardner 12gauge, with a hard plastic butt plate. I used to really hate the recoil. 20 years later it's my favorite squirrel gun.
Hardest kicking though would be a Mossberg 835 with 3 1/2 high velocity turkey loads.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 16, 2010, 12:10 AM
Remington 870 Express Supermag pump, with 18.5" home defense barrel, and 3.5" 2 oz turkey loads, from the bench - man, what a BEAST!! :eek:
This should be moved to General discussions, since it also involved rifles.
Sav .250
February 16, 2010, 07:35 AM
With out a doubt...............An Old Winchester 97, 12 ga. Plus, it was ..heavy. Mean and heavy! Still have it thought. :)
Skeeter_Killer
February 16, 2010, 01:16 PM
My old man had a single shot 10ga, used to feel like it was tearing off my entire left side.
dirty dave
February 16, 2010, 05:30 PM
I will agree on the 10 gauge.Had a slug gun 10 gauge 24 inch barrel shot it at the range to check it out put two holes for evey shot at 25 yards.I told the other shooter to stop being a ise ass and dont shoot at my target.felt stupid whrn looking closer to see it shoots so hard it puts the wad in a hole to.KICKS LIKE A MULE both ends.traded it off after a season or two.
msrtex
February 16, 2010, 05:57 PM
Browning 525 over and under, 12 gauge. Left a big bruise after every round of sporting clays.
MattTheHat
February 16, 2010, 09:32 PM
A .458 Lott Scout rifle. MOTHER OF GENE DAVID!
-Matt
Deltaboy
February 16, 2010, 09:47 PM
H&R Topper 30 inch barrel full choke 12 gauge 3inch Mag. No recoil pad it has popped some mens shoulder out of the joint.
But back in the days of Lead shot duck hunting late in the season I could reach out and touch mr Mallard at 70 yards with those Peter's Tru-Blue Buffered Copper plated #4's .
With winter hunting clothes and a float coat it did not hurt but with just a shirt OH MY!
billdeserthills
February 16, 2010, 09:57 PM
American Derringer Model #4 with two Wolf 3" Magnum .410 shells
the wolf shells are solid brass, not plastic and when you fire them you'll know why!
SpeedAKL
February 20, 2010, 12:02 PM
Hot 12-gauge loads seem to be a common theme here. I'm in that boat - hot 3-inchers out of a Mossberg 500 with a worn-down buttpad are fun for about two shots and get old afterwards. I've seen recoil calculations for heavy 3-inch loads and they run roughly 50-55 ft-lbs of recoil, comparable to a .416 Rigby or .375RUM. 3.5-inch loads in a standard-weight gun are up near .458 Win Mag territory....thankfully most of us fire shotguns standing rather than on the bench!
I have not fired any rifles that bother me recoil-use. Stoutest has to be the Mosin-Nagant M44 but that is perfectly tolerable once you get used to it.
The most brutal handgun I fired was a T/C Contender in 6.8SPC. Made the .44 Mag look almost mild.
steelhawk
February 20, 2010, 09:09 PM
The most kick I experienced was from a double barreled elephant gun in .458 Winchester Magnum.
The outside barrel was the worst.
ryanu
February 20, 2010, 09:41 PM
mossberg 535 ATS with 3.5 magnum winchester turkey loads, the gun is verry light and it kicks like a mule
and the same gun with a slug barel with a 3' remington buckhammer slug, verry accuret bullet but it does have recoil
wolfe
February 20, 2010, 09:52 PM
Had a 12 guage Rugar Red Label O/U Double Barrel... Man it beat the snot out of me..... Wasn't but about 16 or so but OUCH.....
robhof
February 20, 2010, 10:08 PM
10 ga. double, old rabbit ears and 30+ in. barrels, iron buttplate, I was 14 and a cousin had it and an old box of #4's. We fired about 4 each and decided to quit. We understood why his uncle gave it to him and still had the original box of shells that came with the gun minus 2 that he apparently fired.
CZ223
February 21, 2010, 06:40 AM
I pulled both triggers on a double barreled 10 guage loaded with 120 grains of Black powder each. Does that count?:evil:
Big Boomer
February 21, 2010, 07:56 PM
I'm a big bore freak, and have shot many, but the one in my collection that hurts me the worst oddly enough is my Browning Sweet 16. That thing gives me bruised and blood blistered shoulders every time!
My 45/70 actually hurts my index finger more than my shoulder, that from slammin into the trigger guard.
By FAR worst recoiling firearm I have is my Magnum Research 500 S&W with 10" bbl that has actually broke my hand. The worst loads are the lighter 350's I also have an uncompensated 460 mag that has about 50% of the recoil of that 500 but then again it's not a single action from MR either...
I would love to own and shoot a 460 Wby Mag next up on the list for big shooters.
4v50 Gary
February 21, 2010, 08:04 PM
Slugs fired from Rem 870 with one of those factory folding stocks. That metal buttplate was brutal. With a wood stock and rubber recoil pad, I could fire them all day.
Ben86
February 22, 2010, 02:51 PM
Metal butt plates are masochistic.
winchester '97
February 27, 2010, 06:45 PM
garcia made the ugly little all steel guns, and my hardest kicking was my savage 210 slug gun. ouch.
mharveyww1
February 28, 2010, 04:26 AM
My grandfather (an avid collector) picked me up early one morning for a duck hunting mission with a gleam in his eye and and an evil cackle.
He then gleefully showed me a new gun that he had brought me to replace my trusty 870 12 ga,
It was a beautiful, nickel-plated and marvelously engraved 10-GAUGE double- barrelled, breech-loader! The weapon was supplied with a full case of the hottest GOOSE loads ever conceived by the twisted mind of man.
I was 17 years old at the time and the starting quarterback for my high school football team. Long story short: Shooting this beast was an excruciating experience. After a day in the blinds, I coudn't even RAISE my right arm.
I missed nearly a whole week of football practice. my coach threatened to kill me with that very gun. Fortnately I could function enought by Friday night that we won the game. Coach agreed to postpone the firing squad.
Only other gun that has punked me that badly is the 470 Nitro Express.
I need some Alleve and Ben-Gay just thinking about it! :0
Mike
I did NOT use the piece again!
bds
February 28, 2010, 05:05 AM
Shot a friend's 10ga shotgun once - the experience was not very pleasant - kicked like a mule, my head was fuzzy/blurry for some time.
When I came home, I hugged my Mossberg 500 12ga shotgun with a smile.
Daveboone
February 28, 2010, 07:17 AM
Father in laws 45-120 Sharpes. No fun.
grafsk8er
February 28, 2010, 08:45 AM
by far it is my 12 gauge double. barrels were cut to 24", stock shortened and hollowed out, it is by far the best field gun i've had. but my god does that lil thing kick. it weighs only about 6 lbs, so you definitely feel anything you put in it, god forbid magnum loads.
Buckshot Bill
February 28, 2010, 09:03 AM
A relative once had a Beretta single shot 20 ga. LIGHT weight, - pretty little gun with an engraved receiver, but HORRIBLE to shoot. With the light weight of the gun, all you needed was 1 or 2 standard/field load shells and you were ready to hand it back! He doesn't own it anymore!
KSCCHTrainer
February 28, 2010, 09:08 AM
Shot a Greener double rifle in .500 Nitro Express ONCE! Dang thing didn't have a recoil pad on it and when I touched it off, the whole bloody world took a break for about 30 seconds! Nasty beast, what?
Shot a Remington 700 BDL in .458 Win Mag with 500 grain factory ammo the same afternoon and it was pleasant by comparison. My wife even put 5 rounds downrange with the .458 that afternoon and if my friend hadn't been out of ammo, she'd have shot more of it. She wouldn't even go near the Greener though!!!
charlesr41
March 10, 2010, 10:19 AM
The hardest kicking gun I ever shot was a Ruger number 1 in 458 Winchester magnum that had been converted to 460 Weatherby. It belonged to a local County deputy. It split the butt stock on the first shot after conversion. I repaired the butt stock with Brownell's AcraGlas and it was still holding after 10+ years.
usmccpl
March 11, 2010, 10:11 AM
American Derringer im 44 mag. Both barrels went off at the same time. Recoil pulled it out of my hand.
oldwheelieguy
March 11, 2010, 10:58 PM
Bump, even thought I put in early in this post I do now remember the time I was duck hunting by my self (Dad and his buddys were only a 200 yards away) and I had my great grandfarther's L.C. Smith and accidenntally pulled both triggers and Dame......that hurts a 12 year old's shoulder. By the way the duck did drop!:neener:
glazer1972
March 12, 2010, 04:02 PM
870 Supermag 26" bbl. Factory Ventilated Pad w/ Remington 3.5" 00 Buck.
glockdriver
March 13, 2010, 03:46 AM
A 7&1/2# Ruger Carbine chambered in .460 Weatherby Magnum. To quote the guy that owned it"it kills out the barrel and maims at the butt" One round was enough for me
Used to own a COP (4 bbl .357). Any .357 round was bad enough then We tried some old Thompson Contender .357 hotshot rounds. You could see that the plastic cover over the shot was almost to the end of the barrel. Lord those things HURT . Don't know why but I was always asked if it could fire all 4 barrels at once
fyrfytr
March 13, 2010, 09:05 PM
870 Express shooting 3" magnum Turkey loads. 1903 Springfield with a Limbsaver still did a number on my shoulder.
the iron horse
March 14, 2010, 09:54 PM
When I was about 12 I pulled the trigger
on my grandpa's 16 gauge.
I was trying to hit a squirrel's nest.
*It was a single barrel shotgun he had ordered back around 1918 from a Sears and Robuck catalog.
QuarkMartial
March 15, 2010, 12:29 AM
I'm a big bore freak, and have shot many, but the one in my collection that hurts me the worst oddly enough is my Browning Sweet 16. That thing gives me bruised and blood blistered shoulders every time!
Man, that sucks. I shot mine for the first time yesterday, and it had really gentle recoil. I was only shooting birdshot, though.
On the other hand...
H&R single shot 12 gauge got me too. Even with 2 recoil pads, that thing kicked my skinny rear end pretty good!
Cut down the barrel and re-carved the stock into a pistol grip, now that's a good time! It was actually WAY more comfortable to shoot that way and I even hit a couple skeets with it.
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt332/halfdedsphoto/i6E74972D-15D8-4808-8CA0-4C99F10B44.jpg
This thing beat my shoulder to shreds. I only managed 18 shots of birdshot out of it before I called it quits. I was having joint problems, and the bruise on my shoulder says I didn't shoulder it in the right place.
And seeing that gun chopped like that... I want to do it to mine; I'd cut the barrel down just after the foreend, though.
chugcatsts01
March 15, 2010, 01:00 AM
Pistol; Freedom Arms .454 Casull
Rifle; H&H .700 Nitro Express
Shotgun; Mossberg 12 GA 3" Magnum 36" Barrel bolt action
Armchair Bronco
March 15, 2010, 02:03 AM
I haven't shot a lot of guns in my time, but so far the winner in this category is my 1954 M1 Garand. Those .30-06 cartridges pack a whallop, and the metal butt plate does nuttin' for comfort.
Still, if I had been a G.I. in WWII, I wouldn't have complained about the M1's kick. That gun had stopping power relative to every other standard issue small arm.
sonier
June 18, 2010, 09:57 PM
220 grain hot loaded 30/06 interarms mark IV with no recoil pad
ILUVCOINS740
June 18, 2010, 10:08 PM
rossi single shot 20g break open with slugs i might as well hold a 20g shell in my hand the gun maybe weights 4 pounds i very beat up after 5 rounds :barf:
sonier
June 18, 2010, 10:13 PM
I had loaded a T/C.50 cal hawken, then forgot, 3 months later i fired 4 caps to make sure it was empty, reloaded a mild load and fired................this has a brass buttplate, im 5'8 135
memphisjim
June 18, 2010, 10:15 PM
personally a coach gun double 3inch slugs
but i imagine it fails in comparison to my dads story of being 8years old and having his grandfather tell him to try out his 8 gauge!
1357MAG
June 18, 2010, 10:35 PM
12 gauge Mossberg 835 w/ 3 1/2" #6 turkey loads. Cheek and shoulder sore.
Caution: Do not shoot this on the morning of a hangover. I know by experience.
hawkass13
June 18, 2010, 10:42 PM
My uncle let me shoot his 10 guage single shot once when I was around 8 or 9. The only shells we had for it were 3 1/2". It kicked so bad that it knocked me down.
Tim the student
June 18, 2010, 11:10 PM
Me and a buddy and his brother were shooting rabbits in his granddads garden back when we were in middle school (I think). My friend and his brother dared me to light off both barrels of an old 12g sxs. Of course I was obligated to, so I did.
In that one instance, that was the hardest kicking gun I ever shot.
jlv08
June 19, 2010, 03:25 PM
Ithaca Model 300 recoil operated 12 ga.
That thing could kick the salt out of a bisquit.:what:
Ratdog68
June 19, 2010, 06:30 PM
This one... in this configuration, shot single handed with 3" magnum solid slugs... fired two or three in a row that way... just to know what it'd be like if/when I needed to do so (thankfully... I haven't). Let's just say... it gets your attention. It was my building entry/search weapon at the time.
Winchester 1200 Police 12 ga 18" smooth barrel, no choke, flip up rifled sight, 3" magnum.
http://vrcc.photostash.com/vrcc_11930/Winchester1200%20(Small).JPG
Blue Line
June 19, 2010, 09:06 PM
155mm Howitzer
doc2rn
June 19, 2010, 09:31 PM
.338 laupa w/o the muzzle break
millertyme
June 19, 2010, 10:20 PM
Ultralight .300WM without a break.
huntsman
June 19, 2010, 10:31 PM
Hardest kicking gun you've ever shot?
An old GEO Worthington 12 gauge single, it had to have had 3" of drop and the stock was cut straight.
A real bruiser.
ifit
June 20, 2010, 12:52 AM
a guy at the range asked if i wanted to tryout his shot gun that he has not shot in like 10 years, when i pulled the trigger i was ike W-T-F was that? he told me its 3-1/2 inch shells:what: nobody else wanted to shoot it so i finished of his last 6 rounds of 31/2, next day bodyache, shotgun if i remember correctly was a mossberg 835
XxWINxX94
June 20, 2010, 12:55 AM
I've got an old Ranger model 30x (Stevens 5-- something) in 16 gauge with a recoil pad thats beat to hell. After a few slugs, my shoulder starts to hurt.
Rifle: Winchester model 70 XTR in 338 WIN MAG
Pistol: Contender in 45-70 gov't
Friendly, Don't Fire!
June 20, 2010, 12:58 AM
460 Weatherby Magnum and a S&W 500 4" barrel.
One is mine, the other is not mine.
Nushif
June 20, 2010, 02:11 AM
Mossberg 500 with wooden stocks and no dampening pads or the like and 3" slugs. That was fun.
shooterfromtexas
June 20, 2010, 02:38 AM
9mm +p LOL
copdills
June 20, 2010, 05:39 AM
My Grandfathers single barrel 12 ga Carolina Steel shotgun , I don't know how old it is but it's a pinned barrel shotgun , I hurt my back shooting that thing years ago and have never even thought about shooting it again
mjyeagle
June 26, 2010, 01:34 PM
the hardest kick i get is with my franchi semi auto shotgun with my 3 1/2 buckshot handloads i have a 375 rum and the shotgun with these loads kicks way harder than any 375 load the shotgun is very light but these loads are very fun
Tom Held
June 26, 2010, 04:47 PM
4 bore, black powder double rifle, never again. Tom
TonyRumore
June 26, 2010, 06:48 PM
This 50BMG bullpup zip gun abortion with no muzzle brake.
It's pretty much a bare Browning M2 machine gun barrel that you throw over your shoulder and fire it like a LAWS rocket. There is no real frame or receiver. Just a barrel with an end cap on it.
I thought it was going to break my collar bone.
The muzzle rotated upward well past vertical and was pointing rearward as I stumbled backwards trying to keep the whole thing from flipping me over on my ass.
Tony Rumore
Tromix
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/TonyRumore/Rifles/50BMG.jpg
Moose23
June 26, 2010, 10:29 PM
An old 12 gauge H & R Topper single shot loaded with 3" 00 buck when I was 13 years old. First shot was at the biggest deer...still...I have ever seen in my life. Once the adrenaline wore off (and the deer ran away), I couldn't move my shoulder!
bowman1962
June 26, 2010, 10:58 PM
I still twitch at the thought of that danged ol shotgun:cuss:
The gun had a 36in. Full choke barrel and weighed almost nothing. My friends and I would test our 12yr. old MANHOOD by seeing who could shoot the most 3in. slugs through it before the first one would either shed tears or blood !!
4570Tom
November 14, 2010, 12:20 AM
10 gauge single shot break open shotgun. 3.5 inch slug. Once.
Rail Driver
November 14, 2010, 12:37 AM
I had the opportunity to fire a punt gun mounted to a small rowboat. The recoil from a 20 oz BB load sent us about 20 yards in reverse. The concussion was insane, and my ears were ringing for almost 5 hours afterwards.
The hardest kicking man portable, shoulder fired weapon I've ever fired would be a single shot .50BMG with a broken muzzle brake. The muzzle brake had a crack in the end when my buddy bought it so we hacksawed the end off and dealt with a 1 chamber muzzle brake that day... Needless to say we all had bruised shoulders, ringing ears and headaches after that range trip. He ordered a new muzzle brake the next day.
Stevie-Ray
November 14, 2010, 09:27 PM
My T/C Contender pistol with tapered barrel in .45-70 shooting a factory Remington 300 gr load. Literally, like a firecracker going off in your hand. (I've had that experience also) A few rounds later, my hand was completely numb. Had it Magnaported rifle style. Afterward, and armed with gloves it was better, but still too much gun for me. Of course the 405 gr loads are nice, but they are extremely weak. I guess I want my shooting to be pleasureable. I've never found any .44 mag objectionable, so I guess that's the upper limit of pleasureable for me. I have a CBC single-shot shotgun that I've heard is a shoulder-breaker. I wouldn't know, as I've never fired it.
Captcurt
November 14, 2010, 09:28 PM
I lost three teeth when I shot a turkey lefthanded. I was shooting a 3" 2 1/4 oz Active in my 1300 Win. We found a formula to calculate recoil. The 1300 had around 55# of recoil with that load. My 270 has about 17#.
That wasn't even the hardest kick that I have had. Just the most painful and most expensive. The hardest was a 458 Win Mag.
Note to self. Don't shoot lefthanded unless you are lefthanded.
cleardiddion
November 14, 2010, 09:36 PM
3in shell out of a 4.5lb NEF Pardner single shot.
Ouch
armarsh
November 14, 2010, 10:19 PM
2 3/4" 1 oz 12 ga out of a Mossberg 500.
With 13 grains more Green Dot than expected due to a drilled out powder bushing. BOOM.
Maj Dad
November 14, 2010, 10:43 PM
Most painful was a Marlin lever action in .45-70 with full house hunting reloads...
Around 1977 I loaded up some max 405 gr JSP loads for my 1974 vintage Marlin M95 with a nice looking hard, curved buttplate. I fired 2 rounds & gave the rest away. I haven't had any thing hit me that hard since I was a kid & stuck my nose in a jar of Muriatic acid and sniffed... :eek:
shotgunjoel
November 14, 2010, 10:51 PM
3 1/2" goose loads out of an old sxs 10 gauge. The gun was a friends that we were shooting with. He had gotten the gun from his father and only had the one box of shells. They were old paper hulls, Winchester I think. Well, the gun was beefy enough to take a lot of the recoil, I thought that it was a lot of fun. Not everyone did though. The most painful gun I've ever shot was my S-R K31. I was prone and it hit me hard on the collar bone. I'm thin and don't have a lot over my collar bone.
ms6852
November 15, 2010, 01:24 AM
Fired my brother's contender in 45-70 with a 300 grain bullet. In a rifle it has to be my marlin guide gun the 450 marlin out of a 16 1/2 inch barrel. The marlin bruised my shoulder for about 2 weeks.
foghornl
November 15, 2010, 09:02 AM
I started out hunting with a Savage/Stevens Mdl 94B 16-Ga with that light "Tenite" stock. It was "Pops" {Grandfathers stored by the back door gun for keeping the fox out of the chicken house, etc} shotgun, and it was a real BEAST with heavy-duty loads.
Shot a .375H&H bolt-action rifle...ONCE
dogsoldier0513
November 15, 2010, 11:05 AM
Beretta 1201FP with 3-inch Brenneke 1.25-oz slugs. The recoil is BRUTAL with the factory field-type stock but become VERY manageable with the installation of a Benelli M1 Super90 or Choate pistol gripped buttstock.
oneounceload
November 15, 2010, 11:15 AM
One of the worst was first time ever firing a gun - nice double barrel at a pheasant when I was about 12. As a LH, those triggers were in the perfect spot for me to pull both at once - THAT hurt..........and there was nothing left to eat of that bird either
Harley Quinn
November 15, 2010, 12:31 PM
One that I remember, was when I was in my 20s had a very light 30-06 it hurt... Sold it ;)
OOPs this is a shotgun shoot....:o
Hmmm ;)
I have a model 37 that is cut down and still legal, shooting it one handed is a hand full...Shooting it with two hands is a breeze... The hold on tight and squeeze the trigger and pump:evil:
Buckeye71
November 16, 2010, 12:31 AM
a Husqavarna 30.6 with a scope. The scope came back and sliced me across the top of my eye.
sert01
November 16, 2010, 11:32 AM
two that come to mind. An NEF UltraComp that I fitted a Tracker II 3" 12 gauge slug barrel to. With Remington Buckhammers, it bloodied my eyebrow with the scope. Didn't Hurt!!! (too much!!) The second was an NEF 36" full choke 3" mag 12 gauge. Man, it kicked worse than a 10 gauge singleshot that I had. I thought that I was used to recoil as I used to load my Siamese Mauser 45/70 approaching .458 power but that 12 gauge gave me a quick reminder. Sert01
Marty183
November 16, 2010, 01:33 PM
A friend of mine asked me to take a few shots with his Mossberg 695 12GA Bolt Action slug gun to help him sight it in...I never should have taken him up on that. That gun is ultra light and he was shooting 3" Winchester Partition Golds...I will never shoot that gun for him again...It is certainly no fun and that is an understatement.
WalkAbout
November 16, 2010, 01:42 PM
I fired 3" magnum #4 turkey loads out of my Beretta 390 to try and pattern it. That was traumatic to say the least. I replaced the plastic recoil pad the next day with a Limbsaver. Everyone who has mentioned the Mossberg 835 with 3 1/2" shells, check under your recoil pad and see if the plastic spacer between the stock and the gun (on synthetic stocks anyways) is still in one piece. I put a couple 3 1/2 #4's through it and it cracked the spacer in half. Luckily a replacement is only 6 bucks.
A Marlin XL7 in 30-06 isn't very fun either. It has scoped me twice. Better optics are on the way before shooting that again.
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Pete D.
November 16, 2010, 05:38 PM
On paper it is a .416 Rigby, Ruger #1 Tropical. The only gun/cartridge combo, however, that ever gave me a problem because of recoil was a T/C Encore with a 20" SSK barrel. It is chambered for one of SSK's "Whisper" series of subsonic cartridges, the 50-70-750.
As noted, One loads a BMG bullet into a 50-70 case over a charge of H322 or RE7. The result is a bullet that comes out of the barrel at about 900 fps.
No big deal?
It is the only rifle that I have ever fired (and I have shot them from .22RF up to 50 BMGs and pistols from .22 to 500 S&W) - the only gun that has ever caught me with the scope. I broke a couple of pair of shooting glasses trying to find the right place for a scope. I had to go to a Red Dot to get enough eye relief. The recoil pulse in that light rifle was so fast that I could not keep out of the way.
In pistols.....also a T/C Encore....was the 500 S&W using some of Rick Gibson's 750 grain "Tyrannosaur Thumpers". Every shot hurt....every single one....a 750 grainer at 1200 fps.
I know that this is in the shotgun forum but the OP was "gun" so to the above. As far as SGs are concerned, I have had a twelve gauge SXS double on me - a turkey had risen from, literally, under my feet. It was about as big as a B-52. I brought the gun up and BOOM! I thought right away that it was a bit more than it should have been. I missed the bird.
I suspect that a lightish pump gun and 3.5 inch 12 ga. Turkey loads would be a handful.
Pete
robertbartsc
November 16, 2010, 05:43 PM
Winchester M70 338 Win mag - kicks like a mule!
230therapy
November 16, 2010, 06:00 PM
300 Weatherby Magnum was pretty bad.
ZeBool
December 9, 2010, 02:50 AM
Haha 230 I have to agree with you. I have a .300 weatherby that kicks like an angry mule. Ten gauge with hevi shot turkey loads is no slouch either though.
jyo
December 9, 2010, 05:12 AM
I was "lucky" enough to get to shoot a Hyem 600 Nitro Express bolt-action rifle---one round was more then enough for me! The cost of the ammo alone even back then would pay for months of shooting .45 or 9mm.
K-Rod
December 9, 2010, 06:58 AM
Oldpuppymax,
I bet that 06' was a Savage!! I can't remember the model, I want to say 110?? There was something about that Savage that kicked like a PO'd mule!! Hated that rifle but was all I had to hunt elk when I was 16.
BigN
January 8, 2011, 08:16 AM
I've got a 7mm Mag with souped up handloads. Fire comes out the barrel about three feet when you shoot. It does knock you back a bit. It's cool at dusk though, shooting coyotes or woodchucks, when the fire comes out the barrel in the dark:) After a long day of shooting woodchucks, the shoulder WILL be black and blue but the gun is a joy and it's very accurate with handloads. 110 grain hollow points make a mist out of anything it hits. It's got a 30-06 beat in all areas.
Mp7
January 8, 2011, 08:25 AM
a wally-world singleshot. No recoil pad. Slugs.
i was 15 .. and the friend who handed it to me
had this smile on his face .....
ryanrichmond
January 8, 2011, 08:37 AM
One time I double pulled on a double barrel SXS New England 12ga. with 3-1/2" 00 Buck in each chamber. It pushed me back a foot or so
content
January 8, 2011, 08:58 AM
Hello friends and neighbors // It would have to be the first gun I ever shot.
I was in Boy Scouts, 11years old and we were on an early spring trip to a mountain cabin. Around 12 Boys and 3 adults, one the Scout Master.
One of the adults thought it would be funny to have us shoot his .30-06 at a milk carton. I happened to be first.
I still remember him using a tape measurer to get the butt "exactly" 1/2" inch from my shoulder. :what:That was unforgettable recoil,to cheek and shoulder, I'm 49 now and I still remember.
He got his though, I promptly dropped, what I think was a Winchester 70, onto the rocks and he went from laughing to cussing without a pause.:neener:
The Scout Master came over and showed me how to actually shoulder a rifle, before mine got too sore or the shock wore off ,and shoot the milk carton.
I remember some of the older Scouts teaching me a bit with a .22 rifle the next day and even that qualified as recoil after the .30-06.:D
Of the firearms I have now, it would have to be the H&R, Ducks Unlimited "Ten Thirty", a single shot ten gauge, using 3 1/2" 00buck.
A great choice for a whitetail man drive in the S.C. brush or a HD funnel plugger, 18 pellets with a touch of the finger is hard to beat.;)
Bravo2uniform
January 8, 2011, 11:00 AM
When I was a kid we had this old 12 gauge double barrel with rabbit ears. I cocked both ears and fired once...and both barrels went off at the same time.
Yes it hurt and yes, I dropped it like a bad habit. I still hunted with it but I was so gun shy after that, that I would only load one barrel at a time!
Cactus66
January 8, 2011, 11:53 AM
My great great grandpas 8guage shotgun lol he got it to protect our family/ranch from the poncho villa invasions. We still have about 40 papershells so my grandpa and I went and shot it....let's just say I'm sticking to my 12 haha
Messenger Guard
January 8, 2011, 12:24 PM
.458 Win MAG, 500 gr. out of a Ruger #1.
mesinge2
January 8, 2011, 12:27 PM
Snubbie S&W 500 Magnum. I fired 6 rounds. If I fire a 7th from that gun in 50 years it will be too soon.
788Ham
January 8, 2011, 12:56 PM
I remember my Pop had a Spanish made Zabala 10 ga. SXS, 3 1/2" shells, man that snot sucker would beat you to death! Fired that shotgun goose hunting one time, never tried it again!
XxWINxX94
January 8, 2011, 01:00 PM
12 gauge slug in an old Winchester model 12. Did not expect the recoil to be that much at all.
Ouch.
idaho81
January 8, 2011, 02:43 PM
My parents has matching custom rifles one chambered in .284 win the other 7mm STW.
My brother and I were shooting pumpkins that were floating down the river behind our house. long story short I mistook the Dads STW for the .284 took a snap shot.....and hit the deck. Had a great scope cut and bruised cheek. That made me a life long hater of the 7MM shooting time western.
McCall911
January 8, 2011, 03:12 PM
Probably the hardest kicking gun I ever shot was my old Winchester Model 370 12 gauge single shot that I owned when I was a kid. My uncle taught me to focus on what I was shooting at instead of the recoil, so I built up a tolerance.
However the most unpleasant recoil that I experienced was shooting a very lovely Sauer Model 90 Stutzen (full stock carbine) in .30-06. I suppose it was due to the light weight of the carbine, but shooting that thing hurt!
Sniderman
January 8, 2011, 03:26 PM
Single shot H&R 162, 3" slug barrel.
Since I learn slowly, and forget quickly, every few years I'll look at it in the safe and think "I haven't shot that thing for a while, Ought to take it out,,,"
One shot later it all comes back to me why I hadn't taken it out for years! :what:
Any one here looking for a "Good" single shot 12? HeHeHe,,,, :evil:
pikid89
January 8, 2011, 03:30 PM
the worst i ever shot was a enfield jungle carbine...dont know why but that thing kicked the snot out of us (me and my buddy)
gatornavy
January 8, 2011, 06:19 PM
Barret 99 in .50 BMG without the break just to see the difference with and without the break. the break is there for a reason i will never, ever make that mistake again, it got shoulder and face simultaneously.
Mark8252
January 9, 2011, 02:05 AM
The biggest kick recieved personally came from a friends 50cal handgun. The biggest kick from a rifle personally came from a 45-70 I used to plink with. I as a rule do not own firearms with a lot of recoil. Just not fun to shoot for me.
Cromlech
January 9, 2011, 09:20 AM
S&W 629 Classic .44 Magnum.
Only rifles that I have shot were in 5.56x45 NATO and .22LR chamberings. Nothing too harsh.
garyw
January 9, 2011, 11:06 AM
My old H&R 349 12ga Bolt action. The barrel was cut down to 20" and it was really only good for slugs. Boy did it knock me around when I lit off a round.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/garyw22923/Guns/guns2/349sale001.jpg
waidmann
January 9, 2011, 03:01 PM
The old H&R 10 ga. full choke goose gun loaded with 3.5" #4 Buck.
moharrow
January 10, 2011, 08:03 AM
77 cal blunderbuss with buck and ball load
left my sholder with an interesting bruse
lizziedog1
January 10, 2011, 08:12 AM
Years ago I had a deer tag for an area that was shotgun only. I decided to buy a New England Single Shot slug gun with a rifled barrel. It was cheap and accurate. But it also kicks the snot out of you.
Russ Jackson
January 10, 2011, 08:31 AM
Mossberg 195k bolt action 12 ga. I was 14 and still remember it. The 16 ga version wasn't much better. Why does it hurt more when you shoot a can then a bird? You can go bird hunting all day and never feel it. You shoot a bunch of milk jugs you wake up with a bruise and a sore shoulder...Russ
That 12ga bolt is worse than a 10ga single shot H&R.
Hangingrock
January 10, 2011, 12:12 PM
a 155 gun.:what:;)
bob9125
January 10, 2011, 12:38 PM
a 155 gun.:what:;)
Pig or Self Propelled?
Topkick
January 10, 2011, 03:28 PM
ghitch75;
Sir, where in the world did you find that mag. ext. for the 11-48? I surely would like to find one like it!!
Topkick
sansone
January 10, 2011, 03:29 PM
300 win mag
TylerPearce
January 10, 2011, 03:39 PM
A friends pump 12g with 3.5 inch turkey loads.
And believe it or not, the least pleasant gun I have ever shot was my remington 870 tactical with a knoxx recoil reducing stock. I don't know why, but it just wasn't fun, even with cheap target loads. It didn't hurt my shoulder at all. It hurt my cheek(something about the springy recoil didn't like my cheek weld). I got a headache after 7 shots.
I shoot 12 gauge pumps all the time, usually a buddy's mossberg 500 with a wooden stock, but this one and I just didn't get along very well.
TylerPearce
January 10, 2011, 03:41 PM
That and a bolt action 12 gauge with slugs. Don't know the brand, all I know is it had a detachable magazine.
USAF_Vet
January 10, 2011, 04:07 PM
10 gauge muzzle loading shotgun was pretty tough.
I shoot 385gr sabots through my .50 ML with 80gr loose powder. My wife was p!$$ed at me when I let her fire that.
also, my Mosin Nagant M-44 kicks pretty hard. Whoever came up with the idea of having a steel buttplate was a certified genious.
nyresq
January 10, 2011, 04:54 PM
I did the" pull both triggers for fun" once... once was enough.
Even harder then that was a 460. Weatherby magnum that a" friend" handed me and said, "here give this a try". It was a plastic stock with no pad and a pencil barrel light weight that smacked me like an angry mother... Then I turned to see everyone laughing and remarking no one had ever shot it with the brake and recoil pad removed...
And the second worst was a scandium 44 mag revolver that I had for about a month before I sold it. Even with padded shooting gloves the recoil was so sharp my hand would hurt after 10 or 12 rounds.
HGUNHNTR
January 10, 2011, 05:03 PM
Browning A-Bolt 12 guage with sabot slugs and a piercing headache.
Moose23
January 10, 2011, 06:07 PM
Seems to be a recurring model on this thread, so....
H & R Topper 12 gauge with No. 1 buck. No recoil pad, 11 years old, first shot EVER at a deer. Too excited to feel pain when I pulled the trigger, but, boy did it hurt the next day! And missed the deer, to add insult to injury.
roadchoad
January 10, 2011, 09:38 PM
Mossy 835 2oz 3" magnums. That gun kicks hard with anything though.
Hangingrock
January 10, 2011, 09:49 PM
bob9125:Pig or Self Propelled? Self Propelled:)
PapaG
January 10, 2011, 09:49 PM
Six gauge flintlock at the Wisconsin Sportsman's Alliance summer black powder shotgun matches. Brass scheutzen style buttplate, eight or so drams of powder, three or more ounces of shot and my first shot on station 1 high house just about put me out for the weekend. I got the bird but I got over wanting a really big bore and went back to my ten double.
Mentokk1
January 10, 2011, 09:50 PM
.510 kodiak
Searcher4851
January 10, 2011, 10:13 PM
Hardest kick I ever experienced was from a 600 nitro express double rifle shooting a 900 grain bullet. Figured what the heck, how bad could it kick. The rifle weighed a ton. (or at least 15 pounds) I was wrong. Needless to say, I didn't fire the second barrel. The bruise was gone in 3 weeks.
Jalexander
January 11, 2011, 07:35 PM
The worst shotgun was my grandfather's 20 gauge Lefever Nitro Special. It's not really that bad, but the old plastic buttplate is no fun when you're 10. For real, honest-to-goodness worst, though, nothing has topped the .454 Ruger Alaskan with full-power loads. That just hurt.
James
tcrocker
January 11, 2011, 08:03 PM
NEF 10ga extra full choke short barrel :what:
mio
January 11, 2011, 08:13 PM
.338 win mag
garyw
January 11, 2011, 08:32 PM
For real, honest-to-goodness worst, though, nothing has topped the .454 Ruger Alaskan with full-power loads. That just hurt.
That's just fun in my opinion! However, the S&W 340PD with full power loads, all 5 of 'em in quick succession, now THAT hurt!
WhitewaterDave
January 12, 2011, 03:49 PM
50-110 Sharps in a medium weight re-barreled Shiloh Sharps rifle with the original style
metal butt plate. Even though the owner said I could fire it several times, once was enough.
Nick5182
January 12, 2011, 03:52 PM
Winchester Widowmaker 12 ga.
I found a .375 H&H to be more pleasurable, tho neither make my "fun gun" list.
commygun
January 15, 2011, 05:18 PM
NEF Tracker II (I believe that's what it was called). It was a short barreled 12ga. slug gun. I'm not particularily recoil sensitive but that sucker hurt! Stopped my Timex as well.
32 Magnum
January 15, 2011, 06:11 PM
Rem. M700 in .375 REM UltraMag - not fun - one shot was enough off the bench. (Other than that - it was probably the M2 .50 BMG with the barrel cut down to 16" and fitted with a hand carved bullpup stock I made from a C-ration pallet while fighting my way off of Hainan Island during the VietNam conflict:evil:)
Shadow 7D
January 15, 2011, 06:24 PM
MK 19, was good enough on the T&E, preferred to ride it down and to the left, I was a lightweight (as in not a heavy or especially strong) so the few time I tried free gunning it, I got rocked.
shooter_from_show-me
January 15, 2011, 06:41 PM
Rifle: Win M70 stainless in .300 Win Mag shooting 180gr SP bullets
Handgun: Ruger SBH .44mag using 23gr of Lil Gun behind a 240gr Horn. XTP bullet
Marine SS
January 15, 2011, 07:07 PM
my grandpa's .338 lapua sniper rifle. I am twelve and I have shot alot of big guns including my .375 h&h. even it didn't kick as much. i was shooting it offhand and i had to go to the hospital!!!!
BushyGuy
January 15, 2011, 07:10 PM
i shot a .458 winchester magnum safari gun, oh man i never forget that day.....:(
nothalfbad
January 15, 2011, 11:14 PM
12 gauge Ithaca Deer Slayer Featherlight with rifled Remington slugs. I got drawn on a controlled hunt that allowed shotgun slugs and I needed practice. I shot 25 of those slugs and made mince meat out of my shoulder. I could barely keep it on the paper most of the time and never did improve with practice.
The most brutal shot I ever saw was when me and my cousin (both 12 years old) gave my 11 year old brother my uncle's old 12 gauge (Stevens?) double barrel and dared him to point it up and pull both triggers. It literally sat him down. He was a big kid so no permanent damage.
FIVETWOSEVEN
January 15, 2011, 11:25 PM
Remington 700 in .308, only gun to ever give me a bruise.
husker
January 15, 2011, 11:30 PM
Mossberg 835 with 3.5 buckshot, Rem 760 steel butt plate 35 Wheelen, Taurus Titanium 44 mag, in that order.
Mossberg 835 with 3-1/2 inch 000 buck. pretty good kick
My SPR 220 coach with 3inch mag 000 buck. Shot the 5 I bought. never again. 2-3/4 are plenty
Joe Demko
January 15, 2011, 11:37 PM
A lightweight .338 Winchester Magnum rifle about 15 years ago. It was a Ruger. The synthetic stock didn't fit me and was, IMO, poorly designed. In fairness, it would put the bullets where you were aiming. At the same time, each shot was an excercise in unpleasantness. It belongs to a friend who still has it, but I don't believe he's shot it since that day we last had it out.
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