Smallest 9mm pistol?


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Triggernosis
February 8, 2010, 12:10 PM
What's the smallest 9mm pistol - not the lightest, but the smallest in dimension, width particularly?

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DJW
February 8, 2010, 12:13 PM
Maybe not the thinest but pretty thin is the Keltec PF9.

MachIVshooter
February 8, 2010, 12:20 PM
Rorbaugh R-9. It's very close to the P3AT/LCP.

Next wold be the Kahr PM9

MCgunner
February 8, 2010, 12:28 PM
The Rohrbaugh. The PF9 IS the thinnest, I THINK. If it ain't, I don't know how they could get any thinner. They're only 12 ounces, too. The Rohrbaugh is up around 19 ounces I think, but it's an all steel gun. Should be 24K gold for what it costs. :rolleyes:

DAdams
February 8, 2010, 12:54 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=171820

GIJOEL
February 9, 2010, 09:31 PM
kahr pm9 is very small, not sure if it's smaller than others but it's in the class

usp9
February 10, 2010, 07:45 AM
The chart tells all.
http://www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.jpg

DAdams
February 10, 2010, 10:53 AM
Although it doesn't make the "mouse gun" cut, it is close enough for consideration.

Walther PPS. 9 or 40.

ArchAngelCD
February 11, 2010, 05:29 AM
Kahr PM9 - 5.3" L - 4.0" H - .90" W - 14oz.
Kel-Tec PF-9 - 5.8" L - 4.3" H - .88" W - 12.7oz.
Walther PPS - 6.3" L - 4.4" H - .91" W - 19.4oz.
Rohrbaugh R9 - 5.2" L - 3.7" H - .??" W - 13.5oz.

usp9
February 11, 2010, 10:32 AM
Fixed it for you. :D

Kahr PM9 - 5.3" L - 4.0" H - .90" W - 14oz.
Kel-Tec PF-9 - 5.8" L - 4.3" H - .88" W - 12.7oz.
Walther PPS - 6.3" L - 4.4" H - .91" W - 19.4oz.
Rohrbaugh R9 - 5.2" L - 3.7" H - .81" W - 13.5oz.

MCgunner
February 11, 2010, 10:47 AM
I need to get some 12 round mags for my P11. At 1" it ain't the thinnest, but the double stack mags help pay for the difference. It totes just fine in MY pockets. :D I bought it 14 years ago when only 10 rounders were available.

JohnBT
February 11, 2010, 10:48 AM
That's strange, my Rohrbaugh 9 doesn't weigh that much. I wonder when they redesigned them. The picture on their site used to say 12.8 on the scale.

Just google "rohrbaugh 12.8"

"The Rohrbaugh R9 and R9s have an amazing unloaded weight of just 12.8 ounces and a size of only 3.7 by 5.2 inches. . . yet still permit the use ...
www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/pdf/Rohrbaugh_8pg.pdf

essayons21
February 11, 2010, 12:34 PM
Do the PF-9 or the R9 allow the use of +P or +P+ 9mm ammo?

MCgunner
February 11, 2010, 02:26 PM
I'd thought the Rohrbaugh was heavier, guess not. It is not +P rated. The PF9 is rated for "limited +P use". I carry +P in my P11.

I bought that P11 when there were few other choices, was the innovator as little 9s go. Between the PF9 and the P11, I'd go for the thinner gun since the firepower isn't that much different, a few rounds, but there's not enough difference in the guns IMHO to switch. I'm perfectly happy with what I've got.

Rohrbaugh? Well, if I hit oil on my property or the lotto works out for me, maybe. I do prefer +P stuff, though.

I'm not sure if ANY of these little 9s are +P+ rated. Maybe a Kahr K9, all steel pistol, not really a pocket gun.

Nasty
February 11, 2010, 04:58 PM
Yes...The Kel-Tec manual states "limited use of +P ammunition".

Overall...Kel-Tec is declared the winner.

ArchAngelCD
February 12, 2010, 02:43 AM
Fixed it for you.
Thanks for adding the Rohrbaugh weight usp9, I couldn't find it on their site.

I think the chart should read like this though because the OP asked about width and weight, so I fixed it for both of us!! LOL

Kel-Tec PF-9 - 5.8" L - 4.3" H - .88" W - 12.7oz.
Rohrbaugh R9 - 5.2" L - 3.7" H - .81" W - 13.5oz.
Kahr PM9 - 5.3" L - 4.0" H - .90" W - 14oz.
Walther PPS - 6.3" L - 4.4" H - .91" W - 19.4oz.

Nasty
February 12, 2010, 05:43 AM
ArchAngelCD had it *almost* perfect...

Kel-Tec PF-9 - 5.8" L - 4.3" H - .88" W - 12.7oz. Factory rated for use with +P
Rohrbaugh R9 - 5.2" L - 3.7" H - .81" W - 13.5oz.
Kahr PM9 - 5.3" L - 4.0" H - .90" W - 14oz.
Walther PPS - 6.3" L - 4.4" H - .91" W - 19.4oz.

Brooks@Thompson Machine
February 13, 2010, 11:48 AM
I'm currently waiting for the Microtech Archangel myself. Anyone heard anything?

Triggernosis
February 13, 2010, 01:34 PM
Thanks for the info., guys.

The Lone Haranguer
February 13, 2010, 02:09 PM
All of you are wrong. :neener:

http://www.adjunct.diodon349.com/Attack_on_USA/wspcardsmall.jpg

That is a WSP Downsizer. It is a single shot, but no one specified it must be a repeater. Leroy Thompson, writing for Gun World, once tested a .45 ACP version. He only fired three shots from it - one of which was a complete miss - before his hand hurt too much and he gave up, and he is a large and burly fellow. :uhoh:

LightningMan
February 13, 2010, 06:30 PM
Brooks@Thompson Machine Quote; I'm currently waiting for the Microtech Archangel myself. Anyone heard anything?

Yes Brooks, I contacted them a few weeks back, as my FFL dealer was told they would be avaliable after the shot show. Well I called them and was told the Archangle has been put on the back burner as they are spending their time developing a new rifle, and the 9mm Archangle may wait untill the fourth quarter of this year, possably early 2011. I found that very disapointing as there still no other 9mm out there the size of the Rohrbaugh. LM

Cactus Jack Arizona
February 14, 2010, 01:56 PM
Rohrbaugh? I just checked over at gunbroker.com and I can't believe what they are asking for them. :eek: I am looking for a small 9mm, but I can't believe that these things are worth what is being asked for them. :rolleyes: Does anybody have one? Are they worth the price?

Rusty Shackleford
February 14, 2010, 02:22 PM
I've got a Kel Tec pf9. I've never had any problems pocket carrying it. The thing is tiny. The very first thing said by every person I've shown it to is, "Daaaaang, that is small! Is it really 9mm?"

I've shot a few boxes of my +P carry ammo through it, and I can't see any damage from it. The manual does say that +P use should be kept to a minimum, though. On the plus side, if it breaks, Kel Tec's warranty is awesome. They'll send you a new one.

On the down side, the pistol is so light that shooting +P is uncomfortable. I can't see anyone shooting enough +P through it to wear it out before your hand is worn out.

In a nutshell... It is tiny, thin, and light. It shoots +P 9mm rounds. It has a capacity of 7+1. You can find a new one for around $300. And Kel Tec's warranty is great.

What more could you want?

chachi73
February 14, 2010, 07:47 PM
what rusty said ^

TheProf
February 14, 2010, 08:15 PM
How reliable is the PF9? Are we talking about 1 FTF per 100 or per 1000...etc.?
Is it a reliable enough for CCW?

Nasty
February 15, 2010, 08:10 AM
Too many variables...ammo selected, shooter skill level, the individual PF9 itself...

Mine is, and has been since the first round, 100%. I have been in shooting sports for over 30 years, take proper care of firearms, use only top shelf ammo (Speer 124 GD for training and the same but +P for carry).

Everyone has to work the *system* to ensure reliability.

ArchAngelCD
February 16, 2010, 01:57 AM
A friend carries a PF-9 and has put well over 1000 rounds through it without a single failure of any kind. I'm not saying all PF-9's will work that well out of the box but I haven't heard of any having "break in" problems. I've never had a problem with my P-32 with well over 2000 rounds fired either.

Nasty
February 16, 2010, 08:05 AM
I had a few issues with my P32 (Gen 1) a *long* time ago, but after the F&B, no problems since. I carry either Fiocchi or S&B FMJ.

gau5
February 16, 2010, 10:15 PM
My pf9 is great. needed to clean out the firing pin hole to cure light strikes and straighten out the trigger for comfort.

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