An Mechanical engineer student from VA Commonwealth U.


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WAGCEVP
November 17, 2003, 11:11 PM
I am a mechanical engineering student at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia. As my final project for my Global Ethics and World Religions class, I presented my ethical position on gun control. I was then asked to contact agencies in the United States to tell them about how I felt, and hopefully receive a response from them about my position. My paper presenting my opinion, along with responses from those that I write to, will then be combined with the rest of the class into a book that will be kept on file in the university. If you are interested, I can send my entire paper presenting my views. Thank you for your assistance on my project.

The United States needs better gun control to protect its citizens from themselves, and each other. This does not necessarily mean that more gun control is needed, but rather that better gun control be implemented. There are serious flaws with both those that simply demand more gun control, and those that fight any sort of gun control introduced. I do not feel that Americans should be forbidden from owning, or operating guns. Rather, I feel that gun laws should do a better job: a) keeping guns from those that would misuse them, b) keeping better track of the guns that are owned legally, in case such weapons should be stolen, and c) maintain the freedom to own guns for those that would use them responsibly.
The right to own guns cannot be revoked. Guns allow a method of protection for those that are otherwise unable to protect themselves. Every year, millions of Americans use guns defensively to save their lives. If a gun is the only object standing between a woman and a would-be rapist, there is no doubt as to whether or not she should be allowed the firearm. The defensive possibility of guns is the strongest support for their presence in society.
It is just as important, however, that we as Americans keep the weapon out of the hands of the assailant. America has one of the highest gun violence rates in the world. This has got to change. If the prevention for this causes longer waiting periods for background checks to be completed before purchasing guns, so be it. An individual who desires a gun for legal purposes should have no reason to mind waiting a week or two before receiving their firearm. The public must be allowed to own guns for defense, but if legislation that makes obtaining a defensive gun more difficult also decreases the need for that weapon, it can still be considered successful.
Guns are not going to disappear from out society. The United States Congress needs to work to implement gun control legislation that will allow law abiding citizens to continue using their firearms, while simultaneously limiting the number of firearms misused in America.

Thank you for your time,
Greg Graf

(i've got his email if anybody cares to answer him..............

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Spark
November 17, 2003, 11:55 PM
"protect its citizens from themselves, and each other"

Looks like basic logic isn't a criteria for Engineering students.

4v50 Gary
November 18, 2003, 01:57 AM
Well meaning but naive. Keeping track of guns that are legally owned leads to confiscation. Had it happen in CA when Atty Gen. Lockyer declared detachable magazine SKS verboten. They had to be exported or surrendered. :mad:

However, he wants reponses from agencies, not individuals so that leaves many of us out (unless you're a spokesperson for some gubmint agency).

Majic
November 18, 2003, 03:54 AM
As usual he is equating law abiding gun owners with criminals. Extending a waiting period on a legal purchase will have no effect on crime. He acts as if criminals buy their guns thru dealers and an extended waiting period will expose them.
Another do-gooder who has not the first clue.

BluesBear
November 18, 2003, 04:43 AM
An individual who desires a gun for legal purposes should have no reason to mind waiting a week or two before receiving their firearm.
What do you want to bet that this guy always uses the drive alongside window at McD's and the bank and whines if his internet connection takes more than 1¾ seconds to open a web page.

Face it, America has become a nation of "I Want It NOW!" people.

For this guys next birthday, put all of his birthday presents on a table and say "See these? They're all yours. BUT you can't have them for two more weeks."

See how he likes it then. :rolleyes:

WT
November 18, 2003, 09:11 AM
Clueless. Lacks creativity. Would fit right in working for some government regulatory agency.

feedthehogs
November 18, 2003, 09:15 AM
Global Ethics and World Religions class

How the heck do those two go together?

It should be Mass Murder and World Religions.

whoami
November 18, 2003, 11:17 AM
America has one of the highest gun violence rates in the world. This has got to change. If the prevention for this causes longer waiting periods for background checks to be completed before purchasing guns, so be it. An individual who desires a gun for legal purposes should have no reason to mind waiting a week or two before receiving their firearm. The public must be allowed to own guns for defense, but if legislation that makes obtaining a defensive gun more difficult also decreases the need for that weapon, it can still be considered successful.

Highest gun rates in the world? I recall it was middling when you took the whole percentages issue.....then again, I find it funny that places like Brazil (which bans gun ownership) manage to have as many firearm homicides as the US with around 1/3rd of the population....but what do I know?


Heck, I'd LOVE if it it would only be a week. In early October I purchased a band new Kimber Stainless Target II in 10mm. It's sitting at the gun shop right now, and I'll be very lucky if I can pick it up before the new year, thanks to the 'background check' (funny, the fed.gov took less time to approve my SECRET clearance. Go figure). Anyone looking to secure for themselves a firearm for self defense in the state of NJ (which sounds very much like this kid's utopia) will spend 6 months to a year or more in order to acheive that goal.

I'd love to read the whole paper, but from what I've seen it's nothing more than a verbose example of the anti-gun line:

'Well, I don't hate guns, and I respect the Second Amendment, but.'

zahc
November 18, 2003, 12:37 PM
An Mechanical engineer student ...

Not an english student:p

KC
November 18, 2003, 01:56 PM
"Looks like basic logic isn't a criteria for Engineering students."

I recall reading in, I believe, a book by Michio Kaku, that engineers have a hard time in their old age avoiding the siren call of 'social reform'. As I recall, it was a remark made by the university janitorial service; that the difference between philosophers and aging engineers was that the engineers wanted wastepaper baskets. :D

TheEgg
November 18, 2003, 01:58 PM
The public must be allowed to own guns for defense

"Allowed" -- that tells me all I need to know about this character. The omnipotent and omniscient government, in all their glory, will "allow" me the "priviledge" to own a gun.:barf:

Leatherneck
November 18, 2003, 03:27 PM
That summary is...literally and perhaps figuratively...sophomoric. What's the point ofb) keeping better track of the guns that are owned legally, in case such weapons should be stolen, You get me to register my gun so that if someone steals it from me...what? You put a tracer on it? you issue it a recall? Whistle and it comes back? Pretty poorly done, IMHO.

TC
TFL Survivor

BluesBear
November 18, 2003, 06:15 PM
The public must be allowed to own guns for defense At least he said "must". So in effect he got it right.

but....
b) keeping better track of the guns that are owned legally, in case such weapons should be stolen, What he really means is that IF it is every stolen and/or used in a crime and IF it is ever recovered, then some attorney who graduated at the bottom of his class can finally file a frivilous lawsuit againsteveryone who ever saw the gun since it was assembled at the factory.

IF on of my guns was ever stolen it would be simple. I'd call the police, make a report and I'd provide them with a description of the gun, the serial number of the gun and a few photographs of the gun.
At that time it would be none of their business as to when I aquired it, how I aquired it or from whom I aquired it. Nor would it be any of their business where I had had it or how I had used it in the past.


If someone steals your car and runs over a child in a crosswalk in front of a school, it doesn't matter when and where you bought the car. Or where you drove it last year on vacation. Or who you groped in the back seat last Christmas after the office party got a little nuts. And no one will sue the manufacturer or the dealer of that car for what happened. (Although there's probably a bottom feeder that will ponder the prospect.)

Ask this student if he would be willing to have a number tattooed on his body so HE and his entire family and all of his friends could be registered.
After all regristration worked just fine for Hitler.

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