[Guvnor]

I want to get a coach gun. I was looking at the stoegers, but I would really love to have external hammers.

I know Baikal made a couple, but no one seems to be importing them anymore. But on GunsAmerica there are alot of Chinese coach guns imported by century arms, for around $300-400. Also a few made by Norinco.

They are pretty cheap so im a bit skeptical. Does anyone have any experience with these?

[Coyote3855]

I've got a TTN hammered double coach gun from Cimarron Arms that has held up well in Cowboy Action Shooting. It's heavy for its size, fit and finish are good, completelyl reliable. I also have an older Stoeger hammerless that developed some problems after about 5 years of 2-3 matchs a month. That's probably 2-3000 rounds, so not bad for a $250 shotgun. What happened with the Stoeger is the internal parts wore down and it would sometimes open after the first shot. I retired it with honors. The other thing is that the TTN comes with open chokes while the Stoeger was modified and full. And boy, was it full! I was missing some close in easy shots with the left barrel. When I patterned it, I discovered why.

At one time, CZ made and imported a hammered coach gun, but as I recall, it was in the $600 price range. I handled one, it was a very nice firearm and came with choke tubes.

Oops, here's a link:
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=91268

Looks like the CZs are now over $800...

[broken]

centerfirearms.com has a sbs-12 double hammer ,double barrell 20" stage coach looking shotgun on sale for 229.00 might be worth a look,dont know where its imported from,still looks like a deal.

[reckless carolinian]

I didn't know there were stagecoaches in China.

[BHP FAN]

Sure, the noon stage from Manchuria to Shanghai! I've got a Big Five $250.00 Chinese scattergun,and after fixing a bit of roughness in the cross bolt safety,she runs fine.

[AcceptableUserName]

I'd go Stoeger all the way, personally.

[Dazen]

This is my Norinco I bought from big 5 some 6 to 7 years ago. I payed close to 250 for it tax and all. It has been used mainly to dispatch rattle snakes from my property, so far it has 35 under its belt. I feel it has held up well under the abuse I put it through from riding in my jeep during my off-road endeavors.

http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af52/Dazen01/coach003.jpg

[oasis618]

I didn't know there were stagecoaches in China.

Beat me to it!

[devildog32713]

I didn't know there were stagecoaches in China.

Yep...however they were rarely pulled by horses....xD


http://http://www.chinainfoonline.com/images/ancientrelics/Sedans/004.jpg

[devildog32713]

http://http://www.ilovegr8food.com/UploadedFiles/Inchin%20cart%20Web.jpg

[MAX100]

The TTN 1878 Colt copy is the best hammer coach for the money. It's worth the extra $150 more.

There are several companies that have their name on them: Cimarron, EMF Co, Taylor & Co...ect


GC

[9mmepiphany]

I didn't know there were stagecoaches in China.

here you go
http://www.chinalandscapes.com/UploadFile/Image/Guide/Shaanxi%20Province/Xi%27an/Terra%20Cotta/No.2%20Chariot%20and%20Horses.jpg

[bushmaster1313]

I want to get a coach gun. I was looking at the stoegers, but I would really love to have external hammers.

I know Baikal made a couple, but no one seems to be importing them anymore. But on GunsAmerica there are alot of Chinese coach guns imported by century arms, for around $300-400. Also a few made by Norinco.

They are pretty cheap so im a bit skeptical. Does anyone have any experience with these?

I would not buy a Chinese firearm if I did not have to.

Buy American if you can.

Buy Chinese as last resort.

[BHP FAN]

I COULD have gotten a used Stevens 311,for about the same money as my NEW [back then] Chinese Big Five Coach Gun.I've had it four or five years. Same one Dazen posted a pic of a few posts above. It's given good service. I own a Winchester Defender which I'd probably grab for defence, but I wouldn't feel ''nekkid'' with the Chinese Coach Gun,either. It's held up well to SASS shooting,and shoots to point of aim at 25 yards.The pattern, at thirty yards looks like cartoon binoculars.

[MCgunner]

Stage coaches are far more reliable than the domestic built cars if you need to go very far in China. :rolleyes: Me, I'd get a Stoeger, too. JMHO

[ImARugerFan]

I would not buy a Chinese firearm if I did not have to.

Buy American if you can.

Buy Chinese as last resort.

Thanks for the detailed information. To me it depends on what you want to do with it, and what you expect out of it.

[Guvnor]

Thanks for all the replies.

Ive ruled out the stoegers even though they seem like nice guns, because I want external hammers. I want the gun for home defense and would like to be able to store it loaded with hammers uncocked.

The TTN 1878 colt copy is looking like the best choice. I have not seen a single negative review of these and they are only a little more than the other chinese guns.

The only downside for me is that they are only available in 12 gauge and I would have preferred a 20 for less recoil, but oh well. On the plus side, id imagine nothing else says "get out of my house" like staring down two 12 bores!

[9mmepiphany]

Stage coaches are far more reliable than the domestic built cars if you need to go very far in China

the funny thing is that most domestic cars i saw the last time i was in China were VWs and Buicks ;)

[MCgunner]

I got a 20 for that very reason. I have a light 12 SxS I bought in 1971 to hunt with and it is a kickin' SOB. My 20 is SWEET! Even slugs aren't a problem off the bench. It's a Spartan hammerless. I mostly got it to hunt with, didn't want the hammer model. I've been told you can put snap caps in it, pull both triggers, remove the fore end, load it with buckshot, replace the fore end, and the hammers will be down on it. To fire, you then have to break it open and close it and it's ready. I haven't tried it yet, but sounds like a plan for keeping in the bedroom when it's not out bustin' doves or doing truck gun duties.

I have no idea if the Stoeger will do that, either. Seems, if this fellow is right, that the fore end has to be on the gun to cock the internal hammers when you break it open.

[MCgunner]

the funny thing is that most domestic cars i saw the last time i was in China were VWs and Buicks

Real ones, or copies of 'em? :D Hell, I drive a Toyota, I'm one to talk, eh? At least I have an actual mechanical throttle cable between my accelerator and the throttle body, though.

[Gunfighter123]

I have to agree that the TTN 1873 is the best of the "copies" --- the hammers are set close together and easy to palm both back at the same time --- most other 1873 clones are not --- also they are HEAVY for their size , almost bull barrels --- as they have a metal butt plate , they need a rubber pad and the recoil will be equal to a 20ga..

IMHO --- stay away from the AnJing's ---- soft internal parts that go south in a few hundred rounds.