Thumb break or no thumb break ........


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emilianoksa
February 10, 2010, 09:30 AM
.....on a leather OWB holster?

Which do you recommend?

I assume the back of the metal catch on a thumb break holster will increase the wear on the bluing of a gun substantially.

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Al LaVodka
February 10, 2010, 09:45 AM
Thumb break.
The back of the metal is usually covered by something soft. Not? Crazy-glue some felt.
And if you're that worried about the blue, don't carry, or get stainless or Tupperware.
The thumb-break holds things securely -- w/out it you have to be more careful, your actions are more restricted, and sooner or later you'll find yourself wishing you'd had it IMO.

Try this -- put your loaded gun on w/out a thumb break and jump up and down, hard, three times over a concrete floor. Won't do it? See what I mean!? And before people start arguing you'll never do that in real life, how do you know what's gonna go on just in normal life? How about just the act of sitting down and getting up over and again.

Al

average_shooter
February 10, 2010, 09:49 AM
Depends on how tight the holster is. Some are tight enough to hold the pistol without one, especially IWB. Others, like my Galco Fletch, are loose and need the strap to keep the pistol retained.

You could just go with something like a Serpa CQC, too.

GRIZ22
February 10, 2010, 09:56 AM
It all depends on the holster. The only non thumb brake holster I know of (not saying there are others) that will pass Al LaVodka's test is the DeSantis Speed Scabbard. I've used them for over 20 years, most of that time as a plain clothes LEO and have one for every gun I normally carry. If you like the design but want a retention device they offer the same holster with a thumb break.

9mmepiphany
February 10, 2010, 12:17 PM
The only non thumb brake holster I know of (not saying there are others) that will pass Al LaVodka's test is the DeSantis Speed Scabbard.

i guess i've just had better luck. i've used open topped holsters from Alessi, Sparks, Kramer, Rosen amd Bulman which would retain a gun through that test just by fit. if your holster isn't fitted well enough to retain your gun while running, jumping, falling and rolling, the easiest solution is to add a thumb strap. when i see an OWB holster, other than a duty holster, with a thumb break, it makes me question the fit and molding of the design/manufacturer

there are better retention systems built into holsters taday, but you didn't ask about them.

Vern Humphrey
February 10, 2010, 04:23 PM
Others, like my Galco Fletch, are loose and need the strap to keep the pistol retained.
Some years ago, the Galco Fletch was notorious for disengaging the saftey on M1911s and similar pistols. The design may have been changed since, but I got rid of mine for that very reason.

In an OWB, a well-made pancake should need no retention strap. And in an IWB, the need simply was never there.

W.E.G.
February 10, 2010, 04:27 PM
Some folks who open-carry prefer the retention flap for looks.

The gun just looks more secure that way.
Plus, many PD's require a retention device for approved off-duty holsters.

I'm breaking this one in.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/model60357andholster2.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/model60357andholster1.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/J-framethree-inch.jpg

W.E.G.
February 10, 2010, 04:58 PM
And an old friend of more than 25 years.

Thumb-break was mandatory, and operates as naturally today as breathing.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/SW-holsterbothsides.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/SW-holster-MPDCapproval.jpg

...might as well include the rest of the old school rig

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/MPDammopouch.jpg

bwsmith2850
February 10, 2010, 06:16 PM
I have thumb breaks on all my CCW holsters since I popped a gun onto the floor of the garage when I bumped into the snow blower handle hanging one of the bikes for the winter.

There are open top holsters that have a tension screw that holds the gun tighter than just the leather. Other open top polymer holsters grip the trigger guard. Those should also be secure since they have a retention device. It's embarrassing (to say the least) to have a gun leave the holster unexpectedly so I advise having some type of retention device that relies on more than friction.

As for the finish, we call that ‘character’ and see it as a sign of a working gun. I see far more wear on the end of the barrel, along the trigger guard and cylinder than I do in the area of the thumb break. Many modern finishes are matte and don’t show wear as quickly as the high polished blues used in the past. I have carried a G27 daily since 1997 and it is just starting to show wear along the edges of the slide.

Nick5182
February 10, 2010, 06:19 PM
If I had a leather OWB holster I would use the thumb break. But all of my OWB holsters are BLACKHAWK! Serpa holsters. My leather shoulder holster has a thumb break and I wouldn't want it any other way.

Guy de Loimbard
February 10, 2010, 07:08 PM
W.E.G., what is the holster in your first post? That looks like exactly the type of holster I would like to get for my Security Six.

The Lone Haranguer
February 10, 2010, 07:55 PM
For concealed carry, a properly designed open top holster will retain the gun just fine in normal use. If carried openly, a thumb break gives additional security against someone just grabbing and running off with the gun.

And an old friend of more than 25 years.

Thumb-break was mandatory, and operates as naturally today as breathing.
Because you've had it for a long time and have practiced with it. I urge the same for any retention holster.

S&Wfan
February 10, 2010, 10:41 PM
You can hang upside down wearing this incredible Mitch Rosen Upper Limit open top belt holster. Then, the draw never hangs up at all either. The gun kind of "clicks" in. The sign or an extraordinary holster.

When carrying concealed, if the holster fits well there is no need for a thumb strap.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/363/363373/folders/282194/2383025MitchRosenholster.jpg

W.E.G.
February 11, 2010, 02:17 AM
W.E.G., what is the holster in your first post? That looks like exactly the type of holster I would like to get for my Security Six.

DeSantis makes Smith and Wesson branded holsters.

DeSantis does not appear to make this holster for the Security Six.
A good alternative is Galco.
Doesn't allow the option of wearing in crossdraw position, but still looks to be an excellent strong-side holster with thumb-break retention.

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=3731&GunID=78

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