One for truck, One for home/bedside - which for which?


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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 10, 2010, 05:39 PM
OK, recently I've been running with this setup with full-sized, non-CCW pistols:

1. Bedside: CZ 85 Combat, 9x19

2. Pickup truck, in a bolted down floor safe: Taurus 24/7 OSS-DS Tactical, .45 acp

Can you think of any reason to change (switch them)? Which for which is best? The home defense gun is just that, and mostly just a backup to the shotgun. The pickup truck gun doubles as a woods gun if I end up down at the property and want to go for a long walk without any longgun.

I'm thinking stick with the status quo, as the polymer framed gun is better for the pickup (don't want to risk rusting my beloved CZ 85), and the .45 is the better woods caliber to boot. Anything I might not be thinking of? Would a relatively longer shot in self-defense be more likely from a house gun or pickup truck gun, do you think? I ask because I'm comfortable shooting both, but more accurate with the CZ, of course (it's a CZ).

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makarovnik
February 10, 2010, 08:31 PM
I would go with a .357 magnum or better for the truck.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 11, 2010, 12:02 PM
I had a SW 610 6" 10mm for about a week, and I thought it was destined to be the (perfect) "pickup truck safe gun", but I hated it due to the hillary hole, so that didn't last. I don't want to put my DW .357 in there, because it's blued, nice, and they don't make them anymore. Also don't want to put my prelock SW 625 .45 colt 4" Mountain Gun in there - just too nice to risk theft.

However, you have a good point, and *when* I get my Redhawk 5.5" .45 Colt, I think it will become the new pickup truck gun. But for NOW, what do you think?

Vern Humphrey
February 11, 2010, 12:54 PM
The best way to answer a question like this is to analyze the probable use:

1. Dealing with a sudden attack while outside the home -- the ideal solution is a gun on your belt.

2. Dealing with a sudden attack while driving the truck -- the ideal gun is your CCW gun. You may have to relocate it -- take it off the belt and put it in a holster attached to the steering column, for example.

3. Dealing with a sudden attack inside your home. The best solution is to keep your CCW gun on while at home.

4. Dealing with a home intrusion after going to bed. The best solution is a 12-gauge pump by the bedside or in a rack over the bed.

christcorp
February 11, 2010, 01:23 PM
For bedside type protection, I tend to steer people towards revolvers. Revolvers by nature, have much less to "Think about". No safeties; no feeding, extraction, ejection type issues. A revolver is point and click. And no; you're not going to get into a "Gun Fight" if you're woken up at 2am and have to grab your gun. 6 rounds will be more than enough if you have to pull the trigger. But with your brain trying to wake up and trying to compose yourself, you need a gun that is basically "Point and Click". I have plenty of semi-auto pistols around the house and that I carry. But the one that is in my bedroom that I can grab when I'm half asleep, is a S&W 357 magnum revolver. Nothing will go wrong with it. I don't have to worry about "FORGETTING" something. If I need it; just point it and pull the trigger. And if that round was a dud, then just pull the trigger again. When you're not in a position of being 100% alert, and have to operate with limited cognitive skills, a revolver is the perfect weapon.

SideArmed
February 11, 2010, 01:59 PM
I keep a Glock 19 in car. Easy to keep safe in vehical and easy to carry concealed if I feel I need too.
I would say keep in mind you ever want to carry your truck gun. One reason I went with a small compact high cap.


Since you won't be carrying your nightstand gun around I would get it fullsize. I prefer .45 for nightstand. XD/FNP/HK/Glock21.

I have some friends that have custom high cap 1911's in .45 too that they like for bedside

OldCavSoldier
February 11, 2010, 04:45 PM
I always have a Ruger Service Six .357 (with .38SPL Gold Dots loaded) in a holster in the truck door panel, with speed loader in the center console, even while (always) carrying concealed on my person.

FAS1
February 11, 2010, 05:47 PM
My first handgun was a G17 (gen2) with night sights so I shot it a lot to learn how to properly handle a gun and become confident in it and my abilities. That gun is my bedside gun and resides in a FAS1 safe. When I applied for a CHL the G26 just arrived so it made sense to me to get it for my CCW. This gun resides in the same type of safe bolted to the floor of my vehicle when not on my person. I do pocket carry a P3AT some as well when needed. I figure it's better than nothing, but I'm not as confident in it as my two Glocks. While I have other handguns now, these are the ones I choose to protect me if needed.

camslam
February 11, 2010, 06:34 PM
Vern wrote:

The best way to answer a question like this is to analyze the probable use:

1. Dealing with a sudden attack while outside the home -- the ideal solution is a gun on your belt.

2. Dealing with a sudden attack while driving the truck -- the ideal gun is your CCW gun. You may have to relocate it -- take it off the belt and put it in a holster attached to the steering column, for example.

3. Dealing with a sudden attack inside your home. The best solution is to keep your CCW gun on while at home.

4. Dealing with a home intrusion after going to bed. The best solution is a 12-gauge pump by the bedside or in a rack over the bed.

1. Agreed.
2. Agreed.
3. Agreed, but I have chosen to have a couple of secured and loaded guns, in spots that I can get to immediately if needed. Also, depending on the neighborhood, city, environment, etc.. securing your home and having good locks would be the first step.
4. Agreed, depending on situation. I have both a bedside .45 ACP with tac light/laser ready to go in a secured finger safe, as well as a 8 round 12 gauge with tac light ready to go. Depending on situation a handgun would be better for some reasons if you had to move around the house. If you are just staying put and standing ground, I agree the 12 gauge is the way to go. Also, not to start a fight about this again, but if you didn't have a 12 gauge for the home defense, I would have recommended bumping up the bed stand caliber from 9mm to at least a .40 or .45, but that is just my opinion. :)

khegglie
February 11, 2010, 09:13 PM
Cheaper gun in the truck....................

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 12, 2010, 01:58 AM
khegglie, out of EIGHT people that have posted in this thread, you are the FIRST one to actually answer the question I asked. Thank you. Everyone else told me what they do. The question could not have been any simpler or clearer, could it? There are 2 guns (NEITHER of which are revolvers folks) - One's goin HERE, and the other one's going THERE - which one do you think should go HERE, and which one do you THINK should go THERE? So far, only 12.5% of THR members are able to read, comprehend, and answer a simple question. So again, thank you.

Although SideArmed's advice, while not answering the question, was directly germane and somewhat helpful to my situation that I posed:

I keep a Glock 19 in car. Easy to keep safe in vehical and easy to carry concealed if I feel I need too.
I would say keep in mind [if] you [should] ever want to carry your truck gun. One reason I went with a small compact high cap.

So thanks to SideArmed also - good point - the Taurus is easier to conceal due to the shorter grip. So an optimistic view bumps it up to a healthy 25%. :p

Jed Carter
February 12, 2010, 04:33 AM
One pistol on the night stand, one in the truck, no pistol from the house to the truck?

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 12, 2010, 03:39 PM
Dangit, and I was so hoping to keep it above that 1/4th threshhold.

non-CCW pistols

NMGonzo
February 12, 2010, 04:11 PM
.44 for the truck, 9mm for the bedside

Isher
February 12, 2010, 05:40 PM
Dr. Tad -

Exact reverse for me.........

9mm P-01 in truck or in shoulder holster, either or.

.45 acp 97B +12 ga. pump in house.

No significant difference in price paid.

I do a fair amount of hiking and fishing,

In addition to everyday CCW.

P-01 is more suited to these uses as

It is lighter and has a smaller physical envelope,

As opposed to a fullsized semi.




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SideArmed
February 12, 2010, 05:49 PM
khegglie, out of EIGHT people that have posted in this thread, you are the FIRST one to actually answer the question I asked. Thank you. Everyone else told me what they do. The question could not have been any simpler or clearer, could it? There are 2 guns (NEITHER of which are revolvers folks) - One's goin HERE, and the other one's going THERE - which one do you think should go HERE, and which one do you THINK should go THERE? So far, only 12.5% of THR members are able to read, comprehend, and answer a simple question. So again, thank you.

Although SideArmed's advice, while not answering the question, was directly germane and somewhat helpful to my situation that I posed:



So thanks to SideArmed also - good point - the Taurus is easier to conceal due to the shorter grip. So an optimistic view bumps it up to a healthy 25%. :p
I do like to ramble :)

To more accurately answer your question: What is the largest game you might be defending yourself against should you take one weapon on the trail...aside a possible attacker?

In my opinion, their is a higher chance of a "longer shot" situation near your truck rather than your home. Have not seen your house, but I would figure you would be confined by walls and would most likely stay in your bedroom or run to your kids bedroom if you had a intruder. So there you can picture the dimensions of your house versus the open street or where ever you might find yourself with your truck.
Out in the open in a vehicle/near a vehicle, anything could happen. Most likely point blank with a car jacking...but your attacker is not confined so you could assume any reasonable range would be possible.

kentucky_smith
February 12, 2010, 05:51 PM
I would get rid of the Taurus and get something I'd want to stake my life on.

Myles
February 12, 2010, 06:19 PM
If those are the only choices, I would switch the 9mm and .45 around, put the cheaper CZ in the truck, if it's stolen, buy another. Although, in your case, I do applaud the use of polymer in a vehicle/woods situation; it is much less prone to corrosion.

Personally, I like a revolver in .357 for a truck and woods gun, perhaps with a beater rifle or shotgun (think Win. 94, Mini-14, SKS, or Rem. 870/Mossberg 500)

For bedside, I prefer a big flash light with a high-cap 9mm(Beretta 92), my wife has the phone and a revolver (S&W 66 .357 - she can handle it. Very well.) If there is time, I would prefer an 870 or a 16" carbine, with the pistol in a belt holster.

swampboy
February 12, 2010, 06:40 PM
Hey, the guy keeps the .45 in a bolted down floor safe in the truck. I think that's safe enough. Remember, stuff gets stolen from houses too.

To answer the OP's question, especially with a 12G at home as primary and with a safe in the truck, I see no need to change.

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