Non drop safe pistols...playing Devil's advocate...


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saturno_v
February 10, 2010, 10:53 PM
Ok take for example the Kel-Tec P-11 which I own

It doesn't have a hammer block feature even if the manual says that the low inertia firing pin and the way the hammer is designed it makes basically impossible for the gun to accidentally discharge by the slide movement of by accidental falling muzzle down...still someone claimed that was able to set off a P-11 dropping it from as little as 4-5 feet.

The old pre 3rd generation S&W autoloader and the older Beretta 92 did not have a firing pin automatic safety either so they had the "half cock" hammer position feature when carried with the safety off.

Now my question is....in semiauto pistols with no firing pin block (let's say the P-11 or the above mention old handguns with their hammer all the way down, no half cock) could you actually set off a round by a particularly violent and fast backward slide movement when unloading the gun??

Regards

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Evil One
February 11, 2010, 12:05 AM
No... you dont have the strength and/or speed to do that.


Jim

GLOOB
February 12, 2010, 12:54 AM
violent and fast backward slide movement when unloading the gun??

I'm confused. Maybe you can draw some pictures? :) Are you suggesting someone might rack the slide so fast that the firing pin stays put and fires a round? That sounds a bit "out there."

Dropping a gun from "as little as" 4-5 feet onto immobile concrete produces a very high acceleration, compared with the motions of unloading a gun. Several orders of magnitude difference, here.

saturno_v
February 12, 2010, 02:17 AM
Gloob

Thanks for the answer.

xXxplosive
February 12, 2010, 09:37 AM
My .45 Cals. are all Colt Pre 80's pistols...........and I don't want no stinkin Fireing Pin Block.
I don't want anything blocking my fireing pin ever.....So what's the problem...... don't drop a loaded gun.

heeler
February 12, 2010, 10:04 AM
Unfortunately xxxplosive it does happen even to the very experienced.
A very good friend of mine knows a fellow Montana motorcyclist who had his old 1911 in the tank bag and dropped said tankbag in the parking lot and it discharged the pistol and wounded him severely.
This guy was a twenty year Marine.

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