Rifle to pistol conversion.


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GoodKat
February 11, 2010, 07:13 PM
Is there any way you could legally convert a rifle into a pistol without at some point making it an "SBR" and paying the $200 tax?

Specifically, I would like to cut a marlin lever gun down to the same size as the puma bounty hunter so I could have it in stainless and avoid puma's $1300 price tag.

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Quiet
February 11, 2010, 10:27 PM
NO.

Rifle to Pistol, always equates to a SBR.


You would need to have a virign reciever (that has never been made into a rifle), in order to legally make it into a handgun.
The reciever will have to be transfered/4473'd to you as an "other" firearm or you can make the reciever yourself.

GoodKat
February 13, 2010, 07:47 PM
I don't suppose virgin marlin receivers are available in the same way ar-15 ones are.

smince
February 13, 2010, 08:00 PM
Specifically, I would like to cut a marlin lever gun down to the same size as the puma bounty hunter so I could have it in stainless and avoid puma's $1300 price tag.That cheap compared to the going price for a "Mare's Leg":
http://www.jbcustom.com/page713.html

mp510
February 13, 2010, 10:45 PM
You would not have to register it as an SBR if you keep the barrel over 16" and the OAL over 26".

Rubble
February 15, 2010, 06:07 PM
October 1, 1992


Firearms Technical Branch
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
650 Mass. Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20226

Dear Sirs:

The Greensboro, NC BATF Compliance Office suggested that I write to
you for information on the following point.

I am interested on whether it is possible to have a commercially
manufactured rifle receiver changed to be legally considered to be a handgun
receiver, and how this can be done. The Compliance Office said that this
might be possible via a "Letter of Determination", but advised me to write
to you about the criteria and procedures.

For example, if a person has a rifle receiver and wishes to have it
built into a rifle-caliber handgun suitable for steel silhouette target
shooting, comparable to the bolt action Remington XP-100 handgun. I
understand that the serial number of this receiver is recorded as being for a
rifle. Could this person have this receiver's serial number considered to be
a handgun receiver? If so, what procedures and paperwork would be
necessary.

Sincerely,

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Oct 29 1992
Dear Mr. XXXXX:

This refers to your letter of October 1, 1992, in which you inquire
about the legality of manufacturing a handgun which utilizes a rifle
type receiver.

26 U.S.C. Chapter 53 # 5845(a)(4), the National Firearms Act (NFA),
defines the term "firearm" to include a weapon made from a rifle if
such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches
or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.

Utilizing the receiver of an existing rifle for the purposes of
manufacturing a handgun would constitute the making of a firearm as
defined above. Individuals desiring to make such a firearm must first
submit an ATF Form 1, Application To Make And Register a Firearm and
pay the applicable $200 making tax.

If an individual were to obtain a rifle type receiver that had not
previously been utilized in the assembly of a rifle, a handgun could be
made and not be subject to the provisions of the NFA. Verification
must be obtained from the manufacturer of the receiver to establish
its authenticity.

We trust the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry. If we may
be of any further assistance, please contact us.

Sincerely your,
(signed)
Edward M. Owen, Jr.
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch

CoRoMo
February 15, 2010, 06:26 PM
I don't understand why Puma can make a $400 lever rifle, but can't make a $400 lever pistol version of that same rifle.

kludge
February 16, 2010, 07:11 AM
GCA 1968.

How many "points" would such a pistol have? I don't know but it might be one reason.

Another reason - how big is the market?

kanook
February 16, 2010, 07:27 AM
I would think that priced right, there would be a pretty good market. After all, the $1,300 are selling pretty decent. If they came down to $400 I bet that SASS would make a shooting stage for them.

CoRoMo
February 16, 2010, 09:56 AM
What... they can turn out lever rifles for as little as $400, and all the way up to $1,500, but the lever pistols they manufacture can't be had for less than $1,200? Something's not right.

Quiet
February 16, 2010, 06:22 PM
What... they can turn out lever rifles for as little as $400, and all the way up to $1,500, but the lever pistols they manufacture can't be had for less than $1,200? Something's not right.

Supply and demand economics.

How many mnaufacturers make lever-action pistols?
There's about two, so they can set whatever price they want to satisfy the limited demand for it.

Why not contact Marlin, Mossberg, Taurus, Henry, etc and ask them to make a lever-action pistol. The more manufacturers making them, would result in a lower price for them, since supply would be more than the demand.

smince
February 16, 2010, 07:37 PM
So, buy a $400 rifle, pay $200 for the tax, and then pay a gunsmith whatever to cut it down and see which is cheaper...

TexasRifleman
February 16, 2010, 07:38 PM
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CoRoMo
February 17, 2010, 12:30 PM
There's about two, so they can set whatever price they want to satisfy the limited demand for it.

I totally agree. A third company could make a lot of money selling their version for half the price, but only until they realized that they didn't really have to.

buy a $400 rifle, pay $200 for the tax, and then pay a gunsmith whatever to cut it down and see which is cheaper...

That's probably the cheapest way there. Find a pawn shop Rossi .357mag and go to town. The only problem is that you then have a title II item with all the restrictions to boot. You can't simply drive to a neighboring state to show off your Mare's leg to the kin folks, without having to ask the bureau for permission first. It's probably still worth it though.

dogtown tom
February 17, 2010, 04:19 PM
kludge: GCA 1968.

How many "points" would such a pistol have? I don't know but it might be one reason...

The "points system" only applies to imported firearms.

rcmodel
February 17, 2010, 04:23 PM
Other then the WoW factor on an old TV show, a Mair's Leg is about the dumbest firearm concept ever invented.

It make a very poor handgun, and an worse rifle.

rc

kanook
February 17, 2010, 04:58 PM
I would love to hunt with one. :evil:

kludge
February 18, 2010, 11:57 AM
dogtown tom wrote:

The "points system" only applies to imported firearms.


Post #7

I don't understand why Puma can make a $400 lever rifle, but can't make a $400 lever pistol version of that same rifle.


Post #8

GCA 1968.

How many "points" would such a pistol have? I don't know but it might be one reason...

Puma = imported

scythefwd
February 19, 2010, 02:32 AM
To answer the OP's question, yes. The ATF lost a case where T/C had kits that allowed a handgun to be converted into a carbine rifle (the ATF sees it as once a rifle, always a rifle) and then back to a handgun configuration. So far as anyone has been able to get from the ATF, the T/C kit is the only way to convert a rifle to a handgun without it being illegal. The ATF believes that once a handgun has been converted to a rifle, it cannot be converted back to a handgun without a tax stamp for an AOW or SBR. They are only accepting the T/C as an exception because a court specifically ruled it was. Search on the mechtech carbine conversion kits here to find more about that case as it is always brought up when those threads get opened.

As posted above, if you have a virgin receiver and it can be verified from the factory, you should be able to.

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