Best Trigger in a Striker Fired Pistol?


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ezypikns
February 13, 2010, 06:56 PM
I realize I'll never find a crisp 4 or 5 lb single action trigger in a striker fired weapon, but what do you think?

Actually I believe the Kahrs may be the best. My PM9 has a nice smooth and light trigger.

Thanks for your comments.

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cjl8651
February 13, 2010, 07:00 PM
What about a Glock with a 3.5lb trigger? That seems to be a relatively common modification.

Quack
February 13, 2010, 07:52 PM
have you looked at a XDm or M&P?
Glock's with a 3.5# connector will get you about 4.5#

i was just playing with my Lyman trigger gauge and my 3 striker guns.
here's what i got after a 10 pull average:

Glock (Ti Striker, Ti safety plunger and modified springs) 3lbs 9.3oz
XDm (w/Springer trigger kit and reduced power springs) 4lbs 0.2oz
M&P 9 Pro (stock) - 4lbs 2.8oz

schmeky
February 13, 2010, 08:10 PM
Quack,

I would be very interested in your observations and input on the Springer kit for the XD. I have a XD Tactical .45 on the way and I'm about 90% sure I'm going with the Springer kit because of the positives I have read.

Some say the Springer kit comes close to making the XD feel like a "real" trigger, not a striker.

Quack
February 13, 2010, 08:17 PM
the Springer trigger feels a lot better than stock. no more long take-up and reset.
I also replaced the striker and plunger springs to reduced power springs.

hoping my friend with a stock XDm meets me at the range so we can shoot them side by side.

Jim K
February 13, 2010, 08:18 PM
By their nature, striker fired pistols just don't have the good trigger pulls that hammer guns do. The reason is simple. In the hammer gun, the hammer and the sear are in the same part, the frame, and maintain a fixed relationship. But in a striker gun, the striker and sear are in different parts, the frame and the slide.

The sear system HAS to take into consideration the play between frame and slide, and that prevents an optimal sear engagement. Otherwise, as the slide-frame interface wears, or for some reason becomes looser, the gun can misfire or go full auto.

Jim

usp9
February 13, 2010, 08:29 PM
My favorite by far is the HK P7. It is unlike any striker trigger I've ever used. It's very light, very crisp, almost no take-up. Some describe it as almost 1911 like.

Boats
February 13, 2010, 09:26 PM
All Glocks "sproing" regardless of pull weight due to the design of the trigger spring.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/handguns/springscompare.jpg

Stock Glock trigger spring is on the top left. It's a miniature garage door spring.:p It doesn't really matter what weight connector you put between a spring, when it is hooked up like this, and the trigger. It's just not ever going to be precise feeling compared to the nearly infinitely tuneable 1911 trigger.

Add a plastic bow like the NY trigger module in the other frames of the pic and things get extra sproingy.

Zundfolge
February 13, 2010, 09:39 PM
In the most technical sense, the P7 is probably the best since its a true single action trigger.

Kahrs have nice triggers ... like a well tuned J Frame DA trigger.


As for polymer striker fired "Glock like" guns, my Steyr S40 is pretty doggone good ... better than any other polymer striker fired gun I've ever shot (especially Glocks ... even with 3.5lb connectors).

benderx4
February 13, 2010, 10:07 PM
Without a doubt, the HK P7. Not quite like a 1911, but pretty darn close.

mountaindrew
February 13, 2010, 10:11 PM
If you ask me, you already have the best trigger on the market on your Kahr.
It is not "crisp" as it is not single action, but for a double action trigger it is light, smooth ,and very controllable.

I am a tinkerer. I have always taken apart any gun I bought, new or used, and "cleaned up" a bit to make them a little smoother. Not on my Kahr. (it was used, so already broken in) It was pefect as I got it. No improvements necessary or desired.

REAPER4206969
February 13, 2010, 10:12 PM
Stock Glock trigger spring is on the top left. It's a miniature garage door spring.
Do you know how the stock Glock trigger spring works?

smcd1983
February 13, 2010, 10:50 PM
Walther P99 AS is a very nice trigger if you ask me

GIJOEL
February 13, 2010, 10:55 PM
+1 on kahr, my p9 is smooth and lets off crisp as a fresh apple.

9mmepiphany
February 13, 2010, 11:08 PM
in a SA, it's pretty hard to beat a H&K P-7 trigger
in DAO, the Kahr defines smoothness

RebelRabbi
February 13, 2010, 11:14 PM
M&P without the magazine disconnect has a pretty good trigger, crisp break and short take up. It's the only Striker I can 2-stage.

Boats
February 14, 2010, 12:17 AM
Do you know how the stock Glock trigger spring works?

Yes, but more importantly, I know first hand how it feels, even with a 3.5# connector. The Glock trigger is more famous for its short and distinct reset than for its "legendary feel," because no sane person says that the Glock trigger feels world class.

lechiffre
February 14, 2010, 12:19 AM
the walther p99 and the hk p7 both have very good triggers

David E
February 14, 2010, 01:02 AM
I realize I'll never find a crisp 4 or 5 lb single action trigger in a striker fired weapon, but what do you think?

I think you need to look around some more.

I have a couple XD's that have been worked on and now have a better trigger than most 1911's.

I also have a couple M&P's that rival the best 1911 trigger and actually beat it in reset distance.

I had my M&P work done by www.accurate-iron.com and my XD's done by Canyon Creek Custom.

My Glock has a better than normal trigger, but it's far behind the XD and M&P

bdb benzino
February 14, 2010, 01:32 AM
Kahr all the way!

Starcheck55
February 14, 2010, 02:27 AM
p7 and p99as

Shipwreck
February 14, 2010, 03:30 AM
Yes, I agree. The Walther P99 A/S !

Quack
February 14, 2010, 10:41 AM
I was playing around this morning:

1 - Glock G24 (Ti Striker, Ti safety plunger 3.5# connector and modified springs) 3lbs 9.3oz
(no longer have the other Glocks.)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/DSC_3699.jpg

2 - XDm (w/Springer trigger kit and reduced power springs) 4lbs 0.2oz
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_1398.jpg

3 - M&P 9 Pro (stock) - 4lbs 2.8oz
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_1445.jpg

Trigger Travel - Total travel - take-up - reset
XDm (w/ Springer kit) .33" - .165" - .165"
Glock (modified) .40" - .23" - .17"
M&P 9 Pro (stock) .55" - .34" - .21"

Trigger feel
1 - Glock (modified)
2 - M&P 9 Pro (Stock)
3 - XDm (Springer trigger kit)


Considering what the cost of the gun and any additional parts added, I would place the M&P Pro at the top of the list for the best out of the box polymer (of the 3 i have)

YMMV.

Kingofthehill
February 14, 2010, 10:43 AM
Steyr M series. Have not found a better trigger on a polymer handgun and i own a lot!..

http://i50.tinypic.com/2vlocnc.jpg

Snowdog
February 14, 2010, 10:57 AM
I'd have to say my K9 has the best trigger of all the striker fired pistols I have, but the Steyr M40 is also quite nice (much nicer than my G19 IMO).

bg226
February 14, 2010, 11:05 AM
HK P7 by far.

Edmond
February 14, 2010, 11:09 AM
I think the thing that takes a lot away from the Glock trigger is the grip angle and how it affects your grip. But the thing that the Glock trigger is pretty good about is that it's easily modified (for cheap) and made pretty decent with a 3.5# connector and some breaking in with a few hundred rounds. :D

Coronach
February 14, 2010, 11:20 AM
As was said, the P7 has an outstanding trigger. It achieves this by being single action, with the striker fully cocked by the squeeze-cocker.

In more conventional striker designs, the M&P has a great trigger, once it is cleaned up a little. The mag disconnect has no effect on the trigger pull.

Mike

jon_in_wv
February 14, 2010, 12:43 PM
I like the pull on my M&P but a little more positive reset would be cool. I handled a SR9 compact at the store this week. I didn't shoot it but it seemed to have a very nice trigger pull. The trigger pull on my P7 is a great on too.

possum
February 14, 2010, 12:51 PM
i like the kahr's trigger alot, it is long but it is smooth, real smooth.
personally my favorite striker fired trigger is the xd, maybe i am just used to it, with many years shooting it, and over 17,000rds through the model that i currently have. it was ok at first and then got real nice and smooth, after the first 1k rds i would say.

modifiedbrowning
February 14, 2010, 01:30 PM
Walther P99 AS.

Runningman
February 14, 2010, 01:51 PM
My favorite trigger out of the box in a striker fired pistol. Is the HK P7 M8 and its variants. Nothing else I've owned or tried is even close in a striker design. My P7 M8 trigger checks out at 32 - 33 oz on my RCBS trigger pull scale.

jon_in_wv
February 14, 2010, 02:05 PM
kahrs do have a very nice trigger pull. I prefer the lighter pull of the P7 but the Kahrs have a great trigger for a small concealed carry weapon.

Full Metal Jacket
February 14, 2010, 02:40 PM
i have a glock 19 with the ny-1 spring and the 4.5lb glock oem connector (they no longer call it 3.5lb connector).

great set up. the ny-1 spring provides a constant even pull, coupled with the 4.5connector is about a 6-6.5lb pull. but it's smooth.

i took out the ny-1 spring at the range today, and just fired it with the 3.5 connector & stock spring. can't decide which one i like better lol.

nobody can beat glock positive trigger reset. the m&p's and xd's come close after you pay smith's a bunch of money to modify it. (i've owned all 3).

Just One Shot
February 14, 2010, 02:59 PM
IMO straight out of the box with no mods the Springfield XD has an excellent trigger and it gets better the more you use it, that's one of the reasons I now own 3 of them in various calibers.

Mr.510
February 15, 2010, 06:01 AM
I will agree with just about everyone else, P7M8 has a pretty fantastic trigger out-of-the-box.

I would be very interested in your observations and input on the Springer kit for the XD. I have a XD Tactical .45 on the way and I'm about 90% sure I'm going with the Springer kit because of the positives I have read.

Some say the Springer kit comes close to making the XD feel like a "real" trigger, not a striker.

I had Scott Springer do a combat/carry 4# trigger job on my XD45C and it absolutely transformed the weapon. It was a great piece before but after? All I can say is, "Wow!" :) As someone above stated, a modified XD trigger can be better than the trigger in a lot of 1911s. Just because it says "1911" on the box that doesn't make the trigger great. :banghead: I don't know how Taurus triggers stack up in the 1911 world but 99.7% of people would say the trigger in my XD is better than the one in my shooting buddies' PT1911. I can only imagine what a full-on competition trigger job with zero creep would be like in an XD. I carry my gun so that's not what I'm after.... but I'd sure like to try one! :D

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