Best factory .223 hunting ammo


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kiwihunta
February 18, 2010, 08:09 PM
For the last few years i have been having outstanding results with the Hornady .223 55grn vmax using it on everything from hares and rabbits to fallow deer with excellent results the deer have been substantially one shot kills and mostly dropped in there tracks, i should point out i also hunt with a .44 mag and a .308 win but my little .223 is my favourite and put in the right place it is devastating on fallow deer,our roar is coming up and this year i am chasing Reds and the elusive sika (quite a bit larger animals than the fallow),and i am considering using a heavier grn pill,my Savage is 1-9 twist so i can go a lot heavier in pill weight....maybe up to the hornady 75 grn tap ammo, or federal 64's anybody been using these two on deer ,grateful for the input.cheers.

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HGUNHNTR
February 18, 2010, 09:07 PM
64 grain soft points either federal or winchester would be vastly superior for larger game. The vmax will likely not penetrate if you hit heavy bone. This is a thin jacketed varmint bullet only.

praharin
February 18, 2010, 09:25 PM
A 77gr SMK (Open Tip Match bullet, formerly Boat Tail Hollow Point) will put a person down pretty well over in the desert of Afghanistan and Iraq. I doubt they would do any worse on big game around whitetail size and smaller.

However, a soft point in the same weight range will give you much better terminal performance, usually.

R.W.Dale
February 18, 2010, 09:29 PM
Were I limited to factory loads I'd opt for the 64g win power point as a balance of price vs effectivness. if price isn't a concern buy something loaded with a barnes bullet

I used the Sierra 55g Gameking myself

browningguy
February 18, 2010, 10:07 PM
I've used the 64 gr. Federal and one of my .223's does well with the 53 gr. TSX. Both will kill deer very dead.

lopezni
February 18, 2010, 10:32 PM
I would stop looking for heavier .223 bullets and get a .243 or 6.5x55. They are a little more versatile than the .223

christcorp
February 18, 2010, 10:57 PM
When you already have a rifle chambered in .223, the answer doesn't seem to be spend more money on another gun. Especially when he already has a .308 and a 44 magnum also for hunting.

I recommend if you want factory loads, get the Fiocchi PSP. I can them at sports authority, or order online. They are under $10 a box of 20. They're only 55 grain, but very effective, at over 3200 fps.

JimKirk
February 19, 2010, 12:52 AM
Federal Vital Shok Ammunition P223Q, 223 Remington, Nosler Partition, 60 GR, 3160 fps, 20 Rd/bx.

I reload my own using the 60 gr. Nosler Partion bullet.

Jimmy K

kiwihunta
February 19, 2010, 02:21 AM
I would stop looking for heavier .223 bullets and get a .243 or 6.5x55. They are a little more versatile than the .223
I have had a .243 and 6.5x55 ,not really into those cals anymore cheers for the input, i have got it covered with what i have the .223 a .22 hornet .44mag and .308,i love my .223 and have never had any probs with deer not dropping ,just wanted some input on some alternative heavier loads for thicker set deer as in reds and sika,my previous .223s were a Howa and a remington 788 both had 1-12 twists where as my new Savage is 1-9 giving me more options bullet wise....cheers.

tango2echo
February 19, 2010, 10:48 PM
Federal Vital Shok Ammunition P223Q, 223 Remington, Nosler Partition, 60 GR, 3160 fps, 20 Rd/bx.


This is what a hunting buddy of mine uses for deer. It leaves no blood trail, doesn't exit, but kills DRT or within 20 yards. If I were going to hunt with the .223 for medium size game, it would be with this load.

t2e

kiwihunta
February 19, 2010, 11:10 PM
This is what a hunting buddy of mine uses for deer. It leaves no blood trail, doesn't exit, but kills DRT or within 20 yards. If I were going to hunt with the .223 for medium size game, it would be with this load.

t2e
Thanks for that,from what i am reading and hearing i may well try the federal,i saw some 64 grners in it as well today so i will rezero with it and give it a go.

lopezni
February 20, 2010, 12:22 AM
I have had a .243 and 6.5x55 ,not really into those cals anymore

arggggghhhhhhh! not into those calibers! the .243 is one of the best cartridges ever developed. Send me your rifle, I will get into shooting it.

christcorp
February 20, 2010, 12:33 AM
I've personally never had a need for a .243. Then again, that's the "SMALLEST" caliber we can hunt big game here with. Can only use .223 on varmints and such. But considering 300+ yard shots aren't uncommon, that's why .243 is the smallest caliber allowed. But that is pretty rare out here except for a few antelope hunters. I'll stick with my 7mm magnum. Hell, because of the distances, I haven't used my 30-30 or 30-06 in 15 years. And that was hunting in texas. But after seeing deer in Wyoming, the deer in texas remind me of my german shepherd.

kiwihunta
February 20, 2010, 02:25 AM
I've personally never had a need for a .243. Then again, that's the "SMALLEST" caliber we can hunt big game here with. Can only use .223 on varmints and such. But considering 300+ yard shots aren't uncommon, that's why .243 is the smallest caliber allowed. But that is pretty rare out here except for a few antelope hunters. I'll stick with my 7mm magnum. Hell, because of the distances, I haven't used my 30-30 or 30-06 in 15 years. And that was hunting in texas. But after seeing deer in Wyoming, the deer in texas remind me of my german shepherd.
Here in New Zealand we have a variety of deer, from the little Fallow ,sika ,Red,Sambar,Wapiti,Rusa,and the Stewart island white tail,and a variety of habitats from closed in bush shooting to open tussock country so theres a fair old range of choice on game and habitats.This also leads to a variety of calibres used to suit the type of deer and the particular terrain...i stick with my .223 for the little fallow and the Sika and as stated earlier very very rarely have a problem(my .44 mag kinda turns the good bits to soup LOL) and .308 for the rest.cheers

kiwihunta
February 20, 2010, 02:31 AM
Our national parks have restrictions on calibres (no rimfires or shotguns any centre fire is ok ) but private blocks anything goes .

308pilot
February 20, 2010, 04:51 AM
The US Marines did some testing recently looking for the same result you are, a more deadly bullet for the 5.56mm. Someone from the USMC was posting about it a few months ago on one of the forums I read. He said that the 60 grain Nosler partition proved to be a very devastating bullet, much more so than what they are presently using in Iraq. It even penetrated well through glass windshields and such, and still hit the target hard. You might try googling that subject.

Cheers!

IdahoLT1
February 20, 2010, 06:43 AM
Steady on lads!! thats what the commas are for,and hey i thought this was a gun forum not an English comprehension discussion,i guess over here we just talk faster than you guys,but hey if it makes you happy i will slow it down ...LOL. slow it down ...LOL.

I didnt mean to come off sounding like an as*. You're right, this isn't an English comprehension forum, but you're likely to get more responses with easy to read posts. Usually I won't read a post when its one large paragraph or if I have to strain to read it. Im sure there are others like me, so I'm just trying you help you out.

Bartholomew Roberts
February 20, 2010, 08:05 AM
The Winchester 64gr PowerPoint, the Federal TRU223 64gr, the Nosler 60gr Partition and Hornday 60gr Barrier TAP are all popular for hunting deer and pigs here. The new hot load is the 70gr Barnes TSX; but you'll need at least a 1:8 twist for it as it is even longer than the 77gr Sierra MatchKing.

Lloyd Smale
February 20, 2010, 08:32 AM
we penetration tested a bunch of .223 ammo and the nosler partitions hands down preformed the best and ive taken a few deer with them and they allways worked well. Believe it or not the ww 64 grain bullet seemed to fragment worse then alot of the 55 grain varmit bullets. The 60 grain vmax did fairly well too. the barns penetrated well but did not reliably expand enough for me to consider it for deer hunting. By the way i keep a 1000 rounds loaded with partitions for self defense. I couldnt imagine a better bullet for a combo of knock down power and penetration.

Art Eatman
February 20, 2010, 11:02 AM
"You have no obligation to understand me. I have an obligation to make myself understood."

That's a two-way street.

The use of proper capitalization and of such things as commas make life easier for the reader.

One idea and associated comments per paragraph is quite helpful in understanding a person's offering.

Last is that since we only have the typed words, without facial expressions or body language to help in understanding what's said, reading and editing for spelling and typos before posting is very helpful to everybody.

Otherwise, why bother?

:), Art

kiwihunta
February 20, 2010, 08:19 PM
Thanks for the info .308 pilot ,i will have a look,cheers.

kiwihunta
February 20, 2010, 09:41 PM
"You have no obligation to understand me. I have an obligation to make myself understood."

That's a two-way street.

The use of proper capitalization and of such things as commas make life easier for the reader.

One idea and associated comments per paragraph is quite helpful in understanding a person's offering.

Last is that since we only have the typed words, without facial expressions or body language to help in understanding what's said, reading and editing for spelling and typos before posting is very helpful to everybody.

Otherwise, why bother?

:), Art
Actually i did pass NZ School certificate in English along with five other subjects,i also hold the NZ University English entrance level Qualification certification.I guess blogging is like texting we cut corners and are far more casual than perhaps sometimes we should be.
Whilst i admit to being initially a little perhaps perplexed at people on a gun /shooting forum being more hung up on English comprehension than the forum subject,i will definitely endeavor to scrutinise any future posts i make concerning my comprehension.
...........LOL.

Geno
February 20, 2010, 10:00 PM
kiwi:

Hain't no problum. Eye hain't nevur see'd why peepull kant jest lett uthurs spehl how thay whant. Eye'm thin-kin itz jest mi. <<smirk>>

Sorry, friend, I used to be an English teacher. :D Sew eye kan git way wigth rightin' badly. <<smirk>> It's fun to sometimes have fun ain't it?!

Geno :o

lopezni
February 20, 2010, 11:38 PM
tell an Englishman that as an American you speak proper English and see what he says.

kiwihunta
February 21, 2010, 01:36 AM
kiwi:

Hain't no problum. Eye hain't nevur see'd why peepull kant jest lett uthurs spehl how thay whant. Eye'm thin-kin itz jest mi. <<smirk>>

Sorry, friend, I used to be an English teacher. :D Sew eye kan git way wigth rightin' badly. <<smirk>> It's fun to sometimes have fun ain't it?!

Geno :o
It sure is ........good on you mate!!!!

rangerruck
February 21, 2010, 02:40 PM
I also would go with a softpoint if you can. The absolute best hunting ammo I have tried in 223, is the blackhills, blue box, plain jane 55 grainers. Super accurate as well.
your 1/9 twist should be able to take accurately up to about 69 grainers, but this you will have to test for. Heck, it may even like 72 grainers.
also the plain jane, remmy/umc green box 55 grainer soft points, have been pretty good and accurate as well.
these are some old target pics of mine, at 100 yds, off of sandbag rests.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a284/pmullineaux/e82c12fd.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a284/pmullineaux/53557d05.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a284/pmullineaux/czpics002.jpg

the winny's are 45 grain hollow points, and for anything smaller than deer, is a laser beam of a shot, and prints one hole groups at 100.
the 62 grain wolf is pretty good as well.
But the first 2 I mentioned, in soft point of fmj, will smoke a small deer...

kiwihunta
February 21, 2010, 03:33 PM
I also would go with a softpoint if you can. The absolute best hunting ammo I have tried in 223, is the blackhills, blue box, plain jane 55 grainers. Super accurate as well.
your 1/9 twist should be able to take accurately up to about 69 grainers, but this you will have to test for. Heck, it may even like 72 grainers.
also the plain jane, remmy/umc green box 55 grainer soft points, have been pretty good and accurate as well.
these are some old target pics of mine, at 100 yds, off of sandbag rests.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a284/pmullineaux/e82c12fd.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a284/pmullineaux/53557d05.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a284/pmullineaux/czpics002.jpg

the winny's are 45 grain hollow points, and for anything smaller than deer, is a laser beam of a shot, and prints one hole groups at 100.
the 62 grain wolf is pretty good as well.
But the first 2 I mentioned, in soft point of fmj, will smoke a small deer...
Nice groups Rangerruck,and thanks for your input.I havnt ever seen Blackhills ammo over here in NZ,but i will definitly have a look for it.I will also do some range tests and see whats the heaviest weight i can use,your right 1-9 twist should stabilise some reasonably heavy pills 72 grn would be interesting, oh gee more time at the range......excellent LOL.

rangerruck
February 22, 2010, 12:23 AM
I know Cheaperthandirt.com sells it, so you may haveta order it; they are a small homegrown ammo place here in the states. I don't know if anything they make is distributed overseas.
The real trick is this; their blue box is REMANUFACTURED!!!! and it is totally awesome; every pill is checked as it is made, not just groups or lots of ammo, every round. The redbox line is their non used stuff; but it will cost you a pretty penny more. Believe me, the blue box is top notch stuff.
So you are in NZ huh? I was there once about 1000 years ago, on a battalion exchange, did some time in a place called Tekapo I think, unreal weather. We also did a week long Land nav course there, in the mountains, escape and evade, don't get caught by the locals- I made it through !!! best cleanest freshest water I ever tasted. Serious beer there, and every thing we ate with the boys over there was beets, lamb , eggs, and milk, and rice. lots of beet/butter sandwiches!!!! Milk was also super fresh and great.

kiwihunta
February 22, 2010, 02:31 AM
I know Cheaperthandirt.com sells it, so you may haveta order it; they are a small homegrown ammo place here in the states. I don't know if anything they make is distributed overseas.
The real trick is this; their blue box is REMANUFACTURED!!!! and it is totally awesome; every pill is checked as it is made, not just groups or lots of ammo, every round. The redbox line is their non used stuff; but it will cost you a pretty penny more. Believe me, the blue box is top notch stuff.
So you are in NZ huh? I was there once about 1000 years ago, on a battalion exchange, did some time in a place called Tekapo I think, unreal weather. We also did a week long Land nav course there, in the mountains, escape and evade, don't get caught by the locals- I made it through !!! best cleanest freshest water I ever tasted. Serious beer there, and every thing we ate with the boys over there was beets, lamb , eggs, and milk, and rice. lots of beet/butter sandwiches!!!! Milk was also super fresh and great.
I will check out cheaperthandirt.coms web site and have a look ,i dont really like my chances though as theres a lot of restrictions on ammo imports and i believe it involves licences etc plus with the exchange rate running around $1.00 NZ-to 0.70cents US it may not be a cheap option.When you say "remanufactured" do you mean somehow recycled ??excuse my ignorance but we definitely dont get that over here.
Tekapo is a beautiful spot in the McKenzie country in our central south island ,i am from the Nth island i would like to hunt down there sometime,i hunt alot just nth of Auckland and around the nth islands central plateau in the lake Taupo region,in the Kaimanawa ranges.Yes we dont have a shortage of fresh produce and dairy but we get fleeced for it considering we are a dairy producing nation it should be cheap but hey the monopolys rule, the beer heres good Steinlager Pure "rocks"although i am partial to some of your Miller lager, nice beer on a really hot day, cheers.

rangerruck
February 22, 2010, 11:25 AM
yeah, steinlager... also there was lion's head , and Brown Beer.
We never got to the north island, stayed on the south, but it was beauty.
and Christchurch was a very nice town, and some beauties for girls as well...
I will tell you though, anything wool skin or wool products was dirt cheap back then.

BushyGuy
February 22, 2010, 11:31 AM
Cant wait till they pass laws to use semi-auto rifles for deer, i dont know why it matters we never see anything and there are so many trees that can stop the bullets , i want to hunt someday with my AR15 it will feel like a "survival" hunt.:cool:

kiwihunta
February 22, 2010, 02:50 PM
yeah, steinlager... also there was lion's head , and Brown Beer.
We never got to the north island, stayed on the south, but it was beauty.
and Christchurch was a very nice town, and some beauties for girls as well...
I will tell you though, anything wool skin or wool products was dirt cheap back then.
Yes Lion red is still a popular beer here ,and Lion brown is still around to,as for girls well theres still the odd one of them about as well ...LOL.We have some pretty spectacular scenery in the Nth island as well...if your ever in town holler we can set up a hunt.

kiwihunta
February 22, 2010, 02:54 PM
Cant wait till they pass laws to use semi-auto rifles for deer, i dont know why it matters we never see anything and there are so many trees that can stop the bullets , i want to hunt someday with my AR15 it will feel like a "survival" hunt.:cool:
Do they have tags for trees where you hunt or just not many deer ??.

rangerruck
February 23, 2010, 12:22 AM
I must say, ever since I went there, I wouldn't mind living in NZ at all. A visit and a hunt could be real nice!!! I went all over the world in the military, and I have to say, few places equal what I saw in NZ. And that coming from a dude who was stationed in Hawaii...

kiwihunta
February 23, 2010, 12:47 AM
I must say, ever since I went there, I wouldn't mind living in NZ at all. A visit and a hunt could be real nice!!! I went all over the world in the military, and I have to say, few places equal what I saw in NZ. And that coming from a dude who was stationed in Hawaii...
Stationed in Hawaii ,i guess there could be worse places.LOL .Yes i guess sometimes you can take your own backyard for granted,and NZ is a beautiful place.I would love to one day hunt Alaska and other parts of the US and maybe Canada,,,the giant buffalo in Australias northern territorys would be fun,a close friend of mines just come back from a Aussie safari and had an absolute blast over there.

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