Tax return/Tulsa Gunshow selecta-rifle thread of DOOM


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R.W.Dale
February 21, 2010, 01:39 AM
OK it's that time O year again here's what I'm thinking bout adding to my collection. I'm thinking about adding a bolt action rifle to my collection to serve as a 300m group shootin fun gun in a little bit more of a sporter weight format as I'm patient enough to allow a bbl to cool. Since I already have a GREAT shooting 30-06 I'm looking for a cartridge a little less powder hungry and that's a bit smoother off the bench. I'm thinking a non06 based round somewhere between 257roberts and 7mm08

Here's what I kinda have in mind in terms of criteria

1. a nicely finished firearm (not really looking for entry level guns)
2. a medium sporter contour bbl (or at least not featherweight)
3. a well deserved and established reputation for accuracy
4. easy on brass (some rifles aren't, in my experience claw extractor guns are the worst offenders)
5. Needs to weigh in at less than 8lbs (shouldn't be an issue)
6. Must fit inside a budget of around $600 for the gun bare (sans optics & mounts)
7. Can't be a rem 700 (I just don't like em)
8. Can be used or new but must be fairly easy to find.
9. 24+" bbl greatly perferd
10. NO cartridges with a bore smaller than .25 cal or larger than 7mm
11. no 30-06 based cartridges

I handled a used Tikka T3 lite in 6.5x55 and almost bought it but I'd really prefer a bit thicker bbl for this gun

Essentially I'm looking to fill a caliber and performance hole in my collection between a .30HRT ar15 and a 30-06 Ruger M77MkII

GO

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atlanticfire
February 21, 2010, 02:19 AM
How do you feel about Weatherby?
http://www.weatherby.com/product/rifles/vanguard/sporter
Here is one in 257 Weatherby. I know the rounds might be more expensive. But it a beautiful rifle that meets most of your requirements. It dose come in more standard calibers if you would choose. I have several and they have always served me well. Oh yeah, NEW in your price range.

R.W.Dale
February 21, 2010, 02:26 AM
The only problem is a weatherby vanguard IS for all practical purposes a rem 700 which I already mention my aversion of. In the past I've owned multiple vanguard-howa's and at this point I don't really care to own another. I'm also looking for less powder consumption and recoil than my 30/06 currently does.

atlanticfire
February 21, 2010, 02:36 AM
OK, I can respect that. I also collect Paul Jaeger rifles. My grandfather was the head gunsmith there for over 30 years. In my opinion the best made rifles on the planet. They are however a bit more expensive. I've purchased some sub 1k and others plus 4K (shhh, don't tell my wife). There is one on GB now that’s in 243. I can find rifles that meet your criteria all day long problem is the 600 price cap.....
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=158022825
I'd buy this one in a heart beat except I just spend all my allowance on the new John deere :)

mshootnit
February 21, 2010, 02:50 AM
Ruger M77V 6mm, or 243, 22-250

TC Precision Hunter 243

Savage 110FP 25-06 accu trigger no brake

Rem 788

Winchester Coyote 243

C-grunt
February 21, 2010, 02:59 AM
A nice Savage in .243?

R.W.Dale
February 21, 2010, 03:03 AM
Sorry guys but I do not like nor will another .243 grace the inside of my safe EVER!!!!!

Hence my "in between 257roberts and 7mm08" comment which of course 243 IS NOT

C-grunt
February 21, 2010, 03:06 AM
.260 Rem?

R.W.Dale
February 21, 2010, 03:08 AM
.260 Rem?
It's on my short list of chamberings for sure. Although offerings seem to be infuriatingly limited to compact or super lightweight rifles mostly.

C-grunt
February 21, 2010, 03:15 AM
How many decently common short action rounds are out there that fall into your category?

R.W.Dale
February 21, 2010, 03:37 AM
Not neccacilarly "short action" only. Just not 30/06 based.

In addition to the usual 308 bases suspects A couple Mauser cartridges are on the table, a 250 sav would be nice but not gonna happen.

Esentally anything between .257 and .284" without a belt or the name "magnum" attached to it that isn't 25/06, 280 or 270 is stIll on the table

C-grunt
February 21, 2010, 03:38 AM
6.5x55

If you say no to that, your just being a pain:neener:

berettashotgun
February 21, 2010, 03:42 AM
Whittakers has ( had? ) Steyr SBS ss 20" 6.5x55 for $560 - I got 2 from them last week.
I know it is a little short in the pants per you criteria.
But it is a respectable setup.
A ruger in 7-08 would be nice, but the claw isn't a favorite of yours.

R.W.Dale
February 21, 2010, 03:46 AM
The claw thang isn't a dealbreaker for me. The thing that prevents me from just getting another ruger by default is the very thin bbl profile on most sporter models.

atlanticfire
February 21, 2010, 04:07 AM
Geesh, sounds like a decision you need to make on your own.....

R.W.Dale
February 21, 2010, 03:25 PM
Come on guys! I say I don't want a 243 and don't like the rem 700 and y'all act like I've ruled out every rifle in existence.

I want to hear folks chime in on the Tikka T3 Hunter models (I handled a LITE), the new Winchester M70's possible a blurb or two about TC's new bolt gun, accu stocked savages or any other number of new models

rangerruck
February 21, 2010, 03:43 PM
I would look into everything made, in 257, 6.5, and 270, and 280, and 7.08.
the 260 ammo, factory is just too darn expensive. I really like the idea of a 6.5 swede here, and see if ruger does one.

I do like the idea of the steyr, tikka,and wetherby's though...

R.W.Dale
February 21, 2010, 03:55 PM
I would look into everything made, in 257, 6.5, and 270, and 280, and 7.08.
the 260 ammo, factory is just too darn expensive. I really like the idea of a 6.5 swede here, and see if ruger does one.

I do like the idea of the steyr, tikka,and wetherby's though...

Just to be clear ammo price is NOT a consideration provided brass is available or can be made. I wouldn't be surprised if whatever I buy never has a single round of factory ammo fired through it for the duration of my ownership

swilli41
February 21, 2010, 04:01 PM
Well, how about a Sako in .264 Win. Mag.? It's a long flat shooter. If you have an interest, I'll bring it to Tulsa with me.

rangerruck
February 21, 2010, 04:02 PM
You know, you could go supergutsy, and look for something boltish in 6.5 grendel, or I wonder; to me I have allways loved the 6.5 arisaka round, and the carcano for that matter. but I hate carcano's, and I don't remember how the arisaka is loaded. I wonder if there is a more modern take on the arisaka?

rangerruck
February 21, 2010, 04:04 PM
I am liking the idea of the above dudes, in 264 winmag, heck of a cartridge, gets along with the 7mag all the way out there... and as I am sure you know, tons of bullets in the 6.5 class.

R.W.Dale
February 21, 2010, 04:08 PM
to me I have allways loved the 6.5 arisaka round,

I like the way you think!

Ive actually thought about this and would definitely take a HARD look at a nicely sporterized Type38 were I to run across one. IME these early war guns had excellent barrels on em and can be astoundingly good shooters with that somewhat heavier bbl I'm looking for. The downside is they tend to be chambered loosely and are thus kinda hard on brass.

I'm dead set against anything "magnum" strictly on the basis of burning 2.5x as much powder as is needed to shoot great groups at 300m which is the longest range I have access to.

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Maverick223
February 21, 2010, 04:22 PM
What about a Savage Model 14 (wood/blued) or 16 (SS/synthetic) in a 250Savage? Seems to have all the features you want, save for the 24in. bbl (both are 22"). Not exactly a great looking gun, but nobody tends to complain about how they shoot. ;)

R.W.Dale
February 21, 2010, 04:27 PM
What about a Savage Model 14 (wood/blued) or 16 (SS/synthetic) in a 250Savage? Seems to have all the features you want, save for the 24in. bbl (both are 22"). Not exactly a great looking gun, but nobody tends to complain about how they shoot. ;)
OOOOOOOHHHHHHH!

I didn't know savage had reintroduced a few 250 sav offerings!

I am really liking that 16FHSS accustocked weather warrior

Maverick223
February 21, 2010, 05:10 PM
So you can be satisfied. :neener: Glad to be of service.

:)

Walkalong
February 21, 2010, 07:36 PM
6.5x55

If you say no to that, your just being a pain:neener:

Agreed. It comes in really cool rifles too. ;)

HGUNHNTR
February 21, 2010, 07:39 PM
Check out a Colt Sauer, I have seen many fine examples at that show over the years.

Taurus 617 CCW
February 21, 2010, 08:15 PM
I suggest a Tikka t3 Varmint chambered in .22-250. It has the heavy barrel you desire and is capable of great accuracy at 300 yards. The rounds are easy to find and they don't pound your shoulder when shooting.

http://www.tikka.fi/pdf/specs/Varmint.pdf

Abel
February 21, 2010, 10:33 PM
A Savage chambered in a Savage. A novel idea!

Maverick223
February 21, 2010, 11:00 PM
A Savage chambered in a Savage. A novel idea!Craziness I tell ya...just craziness. Guess they saw how well it worked out for Winchester...er'...uh...I meant Remington. :D

Abel
February 21, 2010, 11:05 PM
Guess they saw how well it worked out for Winchester...er'...uh...I meant Remington.

And Marlin, er, I mean Remington. And Ruger.

jpwilly
February 21, 2010, 11:14 PM
Tikka T3 Lite Stainless in 7mm-08!

http://www.tikka.fi/images/t3/litess.jpg

The Tikka Hunter Stainless looks good too:

http://www.tikka.fi/images/t3/hunterss.jpg

Abel
February 21, 2010, 11:24 PM
A suggestion soon

Do I have time to go to the bathroom? Are we talkin' minutes or hours?

mshootnit
February 21, 2010, 11:30 PM
Everyone has their own tastes, but it deserves pointing out that this rifle: http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/icon_precision_hunter.php
(especially in 308 and 243) will outshoot a 250 Savage each and every day of the week at 300 yds if shooting for groups in real world conditions.

jpwilly
February 21, 2010, 11:33 PM
Do I have time to go to the bathroom? Are we talkin' minutes or hours?

I'm not sure, do you? Patience my friend...

Maverick223
February 21, 2010, 11:41 PM
Do I have time to go to the bathroom? Are we talkin' minutes or hours?LOL, I was thinkin' the same thing. :D

rangerruck
February 22, 2010, 01:15 AM
... yeah, I'm getting alittle hyped up here now; you know Norma makes a arisaka round that is 160 grains I believe, how schwing is that?
I am also getting a little recurve over the idea of that 250 Savage... hmm, now that I think about it, that is still a factory produced round by remmy and someone else. I have seen it at Bass pro, and Academy, and possibly Gander as well. I have only seen one arisaka that was well sporterized. I say one of those two then; either an arisaka in some form, or a Weather warrior 250 savage; both are sounding more and more sticky to me...
next up , if nothing found in the above, I think it has to be either a 6.5 swede, or a 7.08.

Abel
February 22, 2010, 07:36 AM
The 250 Savage is loaded in Super-X Silvertips.

308sc
February 22, 2010, 07:10 PM
Savage 10FP in .308

rangerruck
February 23, 2010, 01:12 AM
look here, and in 250 savage no less!!!!
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/

Maverick223
February 23, 2010, 01:15 AM
look here, and in 250 savage no less!!!!RR, linky no workie, the Savage site is in Flash, so it directs you to the beginning of the search. Probably the same ones that I mentioned above, models 14 and 16?

:)

rangerruck
February 23, 2010, 02:20 AM
IT IS; THE 16 FHSS. Sooo fine....

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