.357 Mag in an SP101 for CCW


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Carl
February 22, 2010, 12:59 PM
Does anyone here shoot .357 magnum loads for ccw out of a Ruger Sp101, or are the .38 +p+ loads the most popular?

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gunnutery
February 22, 2010, 07:52 PM
Does anyone here shoot .357 magnum loads for ccw out of a Ruger Sp101, or are the .38 +p+ loads the most popular?

Yes, I shoot a lot of .357 mag out of my SP101 3" model. It's my CCW and I don't think the recoil is bad at all. I shoot some .38's too but mainly .357.

space_cowboy
February 22, 2010, 10:06 PM
what load?

ejnogarb
February 22, 2010, 10:17 PM
I'll bet it kicks hard but I know plenty of people who carry that setup.

19-3Ben
February 22, 2010, 10:31 PM
I load .357mag in the SP101 for carry. I carry with DoubleTap's 158gr. 357mag load.
~1300fps from the barrel.
That'll put a big hurt on anything at the wrong end of that barrel!

L-Frame
February 22, 2010, 11:24 PM
I shoot Buffalo Bore 158 +P LSWCHP's. Plenty potent with less blast and recoil. Over 1100 FPS from a 3" barrel with a soft lead, gas checked bullet.

c919
February 23, 2010, 12:53 AM
Oh yeah. People who've never shot an SP101 seem to think they must kick like mules, but I don't think they're bad at all. Honestly, I enjoy shooting a box or two of full power .357's from my SP more than I do a box of .38's through any of the lightweight S&W snubbies.

Though my SP101 2 1/4" is my main CCW lately, it's also one of my favorite guns to shoot at the range. I usually shoot .357's through it (unless I'm with the wife and I bring more .38's for her), and I can shoot a few boxes without getting a case of "shaky hand/red palm syndrome".

Unless one wishes to pocket carry, I see no reason why anyone would go for a S&W .38 over a SP101. Not that I would feel undergunned with a .38, but I'd much rather have the comfort of a full power .357 and avoid the discomfort of the ILS.

Old John
February 23, 2010, 11:53 AM
I always shoot .357's in my SP101, .2.25", Ruger.
Far as I know, I have never put any .38 specials in it.
I'm not picky about bullet weight, in .357's. I never feel under-gunned.
I practice with .357 magnums in mine. Yeah, they jump a bit.
That's why I practice. I generally use 110 grs. or 125 grs.

Even the .357 mag., 110 gr. HJLHP's will hit hard enough to do the job,
if you put your shot where it needs to be.
Shot placement is every bit as important as the weight of your bullets.
I don't think I need 180 gr. or 200gr. HP's for defense.
A man is a thin skinned animal, easier to kill than a bear.
YMMV.........

snooperman
February 23, 2010, 12:10 PM
My carry gun for most days is the Colt detective with a IWB holster. However, there are times when I go out at night and I pack the Ruger SP101 as well as the Colt detective. In this case the Colt goes in my coat pocket on left side and the Ruger goes on the Right side IWB holster. I carry 38 special Gold dots in the Detective and ,357 magnum hollowpoints 125gr in the SP101.

OldCavSoldier
February 23, 2010, 12:16 PM
You won't have to hit your target...the muzzle flash will do the job just fine!!

2FNSLO
February 23, 2010, 12:50 PM
I carry mine ever day with 125gr HP. I don't mind the recoil even with 158's either. The Badger grips seem to help with the recoil and are nice and purdy too!

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn150/2fnslo/gunstuff022.jpg

ewayte
February 23, 2010, 01:00 PM
Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 135 gr. bullet in .357 Magnum.

Dee
February 23, 2010, 02:03 PM
I just recently picked up an sp-101 3" model and had no trouble with .357 125gr jsp ammo, it was all they had at Walmart at the time, recoil not too bad, easy follow up shots.

357mag.
February 23, 2010, 05:46 PM
Sp-101 is my EDC.I shoot 38's for most of my practice,but carry 125gr corbon mags.The weight of the 101 really tames the recoil of even the full-house mags imo.Nothing against the 38's,but I see no reason NOT to carry the mags.

kludge
February 23, 2010, 06:45 PM
The hot 110gr screamers sting a bit (no more than a hot .38SPL in an Airweight), but 125gr standard loads are not bad at all. (By standard, I mean a load like the Remington 125gr SJHP that goes 1400+ in my 4" barrels.)

Honestly, I enjoy shooting a box or two of full power .357's from my SP more than I do a box of .38's through any of the lightweight S&W snubbies.


Agreed.

I'm on the fence about what I would recommend for carry .38+P or standard .357, but I've got mine loaded with +P right now.

kayaknjames
February 23, 2010, 07:02 PM
I know ya'll are talking about 357, but I just shot my first sp101 over the weekend in 327, and all I can say is I would love this pistol in any caliber. I think the extra weight on the gun helps alot.

The Lone Haranguer
February 23, 2010, 07:44 PM
When I had mine I found full power Remington 125-grain SJHPs to be quite strenuous, with a thunderclap blast and large muzzle flash. Lower velocity .357 loads like the Federal "Personal Defense" 130-grain HydraShok or the WWB 110-grain were quite tolerable. With all .38 Spl. loads it was a relative pussycat.

leadcounsel
February 23, 2010, 09:12 PM
Yes. The .357 is hot from this gun, but managble. I use both .357 and .38+P.

78CJ5
February 23, 2010, 09:34 PM
I shoot 125 grain 357 out of my SP 101 all the time. It is my EDC. recoil is not bad at all.

Landric
February 23, 2010, 11:22 PM
My regular carry gun is a DAO 2 1/4" SP101 .357. My preference is the 158 grain Gold Dot .357, but I haven't been able to find it anywhere in ages. Right now I'm carrying Remington 158 grain SJHP .357.

What I would actually like is a 170-200 grain LSWCHP in the 1100 fps (from a 2 1/4" barrel) range, but no one makes it, and I avoid carrying handloads when quality factory ammunition is available, even if I don't consider it ideal.

shockwave
February 23, 2010, 11:41 PM
That's why I practice. I generally use 110 grs. or 125 grs

Given the cost of ammo, in a range session I'll usually run through 50 or so 158 gr .38 spl just to work on mechanics, then finish with around 28 shots of 158 gr .357 in my HD load to groove the kinesthenics. Then work with the other guns.

This is not a suggestion that you should do what I do, I'm just relating my practice. As an HD option, I'm thinking the .357s will be formidable, but I may be rendered deaf by the experience. Cor-Bon Dpx (http://www.chuckhawks.com/cor-bon_DPX_pistol.htm) seems like the best choice at this caliber.

kludge
February 24, 2010, 12:21 AM
with a thunderclap blast and large muzzle flash

oh, yeah! :D

Elvishead
February 24, 2010, 02:12 AM
I've been stigmafied about carrying .357 and collateral damage, so I normally carry .38 +Ps. But I have CCW Remington 125g SJHP .357 in my 3" SP101. But normaly just keep them for HD.

If I did normally carry .357, it would be the Corbon DPX.

Chicken-Farmer
February 24, 2010, 02:24 AM
I have to say that i do not enjoy shooting 357 mag loads from my 2 1/4" SP101. The recoil is tremendous. I replaced the factory grips with the Hogue monogrip and it made the recoil better but still painful. I love shooting 38 special loads through the pistol. Maybe i need yet another grip. I am generally not very recoil sensitive, but i must say the small snubbies are a handful.
I carry 38 + P and although the recoil is still stout i am much more confident when shooting.

Chicken-Farmer

Elvishead
February 24, 2010, 03:08 AM
Chicken-Farmer

I have to say that i do not enjoy shooting 357 mag loads from my 2 1/4" SP101.

Well, as the old saying goes. "Guns are not supposed to be comfortable, just comforting"

Rexster
February 24, 2010, 06:16 PM
It took a second reading of the original post to figure out the exact question. .38 Special +P+ is NOT common or popular. There is no SAAMI spec for it; basically, it was near-magnum pressure ammo loaded into .38 Special cases, for use by police agencies who did not want to be accused of using ma-a-agnummm ammo against good citizens, therefore depriving them of their civil rights. We all know that mere Special ammo thumps folks without violating their civil rights.

Did the OP mean .38 Special +P?

I do indeed carry magnums in my SP101s, generally Winchester 145-grain Silvertips, for closer impact to point of aim, reasonable muzzle flash, and local availability, plus the Silvertips are just a bit lower pressure than full-pressure loads, without being a neutered medium magnum. This round has a track record among LE agencies, against real live bad guys, a very important factor to me.

In the past, when I carried larger .357 sixguns regularly, for duty and some CC, and the SP101s served mostly as back-up, I would just load the snubbies with what the bigger sixguns were eating at the time, usually the full-pressure Federal or Remington 125-grain JHPs.

I just acquired yet another .357 SP101, this time with a 3-1/16" barrel, and I have not settled on a favored load for it yet. I will use magnums until I am too feeble to control them.

ronto
February 24, 2010, 07:12 PM
I carry the DAO in a Mika pocket holster with 135gr Speer GDHP "Short Barrel"...Not too heavy to carry and pleasant to shoot.

LRS_Ranger
February 24, 2010, 07:52 PM
I shoot .357's because I like the recoil. I have a hogue grip on it and that makes it a bit more comfortable. Something about having a deafening blast and a sharp whack in the palm just makes me happy... call it testosterone I guess. Everyone else that has shot it has usually commented on the recoil, and then said "I want it". Nobody has really said that it was painful. Well, I take that back, my 82 year old grandmother accidently grabbed the box of 158gr Magtech's instead of the 38s and (after emptying the cylinder) turned to me and asked what she was doing wrong because "it stings". :P

Dee
February 25, 2010, 07:24 PM
Well I went out and blew away a few 1 gallon jugs with water today with my 101, I tried both .38 and .357 ammo. This is my 2nd time out with it and first revolver. All I can say is at least you can tell you hit something in .357 ammo, I wasn't too impressed with the impression the .38's made, granted it was just cheap fmj ammo, I was shooting about 15 yards out. Plus I too like the recoil and the loud crack-boom of the .357's :D

jbrown50
February 25, 2010, 08:15 PM
If I did normally carry .357, it would be the Corbon DPX.

The 125 gr. Corbon DPX is what I carry in my S&W M&P 360. It's a surprisingly 'mild' load in my little featherweight 360, and accurate too. It stings a little but doesn't beat my trigger finger up like the heavier .357 magnums and 135 - 158 gr. 38 +Ps.

spyder1969
February 27, 2010, 12:34 PM
I carry my SP101 with Hornady Critical Defense FTX 38 SPCL +P 110gr rounds. I do not want to risk over penetration in a public setting. If I am hiking I will switch to .357. I love this weapon.

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