.25 ACP rifles?


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Kaynbred
February 23, 2010, 04:44 PM
Has a commercial .25 ACP rifle ever been produced?

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husker
February 23, 2010, 04:49 PM
not that i have ever seen. But i bet ya a dollar some 1 has tried it.
bet another dollar Rc model knows the answer to your ????...

rcmodel
February 23, 2010, 04:57 PM
I have never heard of a commercial rifle chamered for .25 ACP.

I have heard of people converting old single-shot .25 Stevens rimfires to it so they could get ammo. Set the barrel back, a .25 ACP chamber reamer & converting the breech-block to centerfire.

Always seemed like relining to .22RF would have been a lot better option to me.

rc

husker
February 23, 2010, 05:00 PM
2 dollars. i want my 2 dollars LOL

Ron James
February 23, 2010, 05:08 PM
I have often throught that a nice Stevens 15A in 25 ACP would be a perfect " Rook" gun , it wouldn't do anything better than a 22 Short could do, it would just be nice to have and to shoot.:)

CZguy
February 23, 2010, 05:13 PM
2 dollars. i want my 2 dollars LOL

I'd give it to you but, I'm boycotting Pay Pal for being anti-gun. :D

MachIVshooter
February 23, 2010, 05:27 PM
I have heard of people converting old single-shot .25 Stevens rimfires to it so they could get ammo. Set the barrel back, a .25 ACP chamber reamer & converting the breech-block to centerfire.

That's what I was going to do with a Hopkins-allen falling block in .25 RF, except I was going to rechamber to .25-20, then swage or cast bullets to the correct diameter. But the guy wouldn't budge from $200, when book on the rifle was $110 (optimistically), and it needed action work (trigger spring busted or something). So he got to keep it. Far as I know, it's still for sale.

TonyRumore
February 23, 2010, 08:39 PM
I don't know about a commercial gun, but the small caliber freaks have made plenty of 25 ACP wildcat rounds for bolt guns.

They neck it to 17cal, 14cal, 12cal, and 10cal.

Tony

tju1973
February 23, 2010, 09:13 PM
I only have 1 question.....why? :)

FIVETWOSEVEN
February 23, 2010, 09:26 PM
they have conversion sleeves to convert .308, 30-06, .303, and 7.62x54r into .32 ACP. kind of surprising of how well of a group .32 will make at 100 yards. one hole!

outerlimit
February 24, 2010, 04:38 AM
Do you think the bullet would make it to the end of the barrel?

natman
February 24, 2010, 09:26 AM
Do you think the bullet would make it to the end of the barrel?
Yes. There's not a lot of powder in a 25ACP, but there's enough.

JFrame
February 24, 2010, 09:35 AM
I would bet dollars to doughnuts that a T/C Contender carbine barrel in .25acp has been rolled out at some point or another... :D

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Marlin 45 carbine
February 24, 2010, 09:54 AM
actually some places a doughnut would cost a dollar but I'll second you on that.

JTH
February 24, 2010, 11:02 AM
Isn't .25 cal ammo too expensive like .32 cal rnds. Pistols for most part that shoot these caliber rounds are Saturday Night specials, Correct? Police may carry a .32 as throw down pistol. All I know, is you don't see much of a demand for these rounds.

R.W.Dale
February 24, 2010, 11:10 AM
ask and YE shall receive

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/25auto.html

Bohemus
February 24, 2010, 11:57 AM
Ive seen .25apc Italian SMG, but never rifle..

CornCod
February 24, 2010, 12:12 PM
I seem to remember that in the 80's Squires Bingham, the Phillipino arms company, made a SMG-style rifle in .32acp. I remember seeing it in a catalogue.

Kentucky_Rifleman
February 24, 2010, 10:50 PM
I love threads like this. I suddenly feel less strange about so many of my little "experiments" on various "value-challenged" arms... :)

Arthur
http://improvingmyselfconfessional.blogspot.com/

NG VI
February 24, 2010, 11:09 PM
JTEX I don't think that's accurate, there are plenty of high-quality pistols chambered in .25 and .32 ACP, and I don't think police in any civilized country carry 'throw-down' pistols.

Proinsias
February 24, 2010, 11:43 PM
I seem to remember that in the 80's Squires Bingham, the Phillipino arms company, made a SMG-style rifle in .32acp. I remember seeing it in a catalogue.
I don't know anything about that one, but the Škorpion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Škorpion_vz._61) is in .32 and has a long history. .32 is underpowered but not a bad round. There aren't many decent firearms in .25 though.

CZguy
February 25, 2010, 01:12 AM
and I don't think police in any civilized country carry 'throw-down' pistols.

Well if you're going to insist on the part about being "civilized" then I guess we can exclude several large cities in this country. :D

There aren't many decent firearms in .25 though.

You mean like the Browning? :rolleyes:

NG VI
February 25, 2010, 01:45 AM
I never said anything about the large cities, just the countries overall you wang!

Or the Beretta 950?

Or the Taurus PT-25?

Wheeler44
February 25, 2010, 02:05 AM
Krochus...did ya notice the weird velocity curve on the American Eagle 50 grns.


What's up with that?

Dimis
February 25, 2010, 02:43 AM
hmmm id like to see this .25 SMG i bet it was pointless seeing as how youd have to dump the magazine in one baddy before they went down (yea yea shot placment got it)

is there a caliber that TC doesnt make a barrel for?

CZguy
February 25, 2010, 04:31 AM
I never said anything about the large cities, just the countries overall you wang!

wang!............................that's it, meet me at the flag pole after school. :D

NG VI
February 25, 2010, 04:38 AM
You got it fella!!!


Really though I like your quotes a lot!

thebigc
February 25, 2010, 04:46 AM
i have allways thought something 10/22 sized in .32 or .25 would be really cool. another one i would want is i bet in a pistol the size of a g21 you could fit like 30+rounds of .32 it would just be a fun plinker but a multi round plinker at that if they can get 20 9mm in an xdm imagine how many .32's i could play with

Sport45
February 25, 2010, 04:54 AM
I have a chamber adapter like one of these (http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm) for shooting .32acp in my 7.7Jap. I think I got mine from Ajax grips probably 14-15 years ago. I believe they had a .25acp in 6.5Jap at the time but I didn't need or want one of those...

outerlimit
February 25, 2010, 05:32 AM
Do you think the bullet would make it to the end of the barrel?

Yes. There's not a lot of powder in a 25ACP, but there's enough.

I was joking of course. ;)

Ed Harris
February 25, 2010, 09:12 AM
I have a tiny break-open 4-1/2 pound .32 ACP rifle with 18 inch barrel which I use for quiet garden pest control without disturbing the neighbors. I handload an 88-grain flatnosed .312 lead bullet with 1.5-1.7 grains of Bullseye which gives about 850 f.p.s. Ballistics are similar to a .32 Long rimfire. Shoots 5-shot inch groups at 25 yards with iron sights, no louder than a CB long, but hits alot harder. Much more effective on groundhogs, raccoons, etc. than a .22 LR

.32 ACP Velocities_____Beretta 2.4"_____Walther 3.9"______Rook Rifle 18"

314-70FN 2.0 BE______797, 25 Sd______892, 25 Sd_______1082, 19 Sd

NEI #82, 88-gr. 1.5BE__661. 15 Sd______719, 15 Sd_______860, 14 Sd

RWS 73FMJ___________871, 18 Sd______983, 26 Sd_______1214, 11 Sd

Aguila 71FMJ__________821, 17 Sd______937, 13 Sd_______964, 9 Sd

MCgunner
February 25, 2010, 09:52 AM
I'd much rather use a .25-06 if I'm going .25 caliber. :rolleyes:

MachIVshooter
February 25, 2010, 11:26 AM
kind of surprising of how well of a group .32 will make at 100 yards. one hole!

Until you fire the second shot............

I'd much rather use a .25-06 if I'm going .25 caliber.

Well, I don't think the old stevens or hopkins & allen .25 Rimfires can handle 55,000 PSI, nor would a small game hunter want a 75 gr. bullet at 3,700 FPS if he intends to eat his kill (though if he wants to pick up the pieces, it'd save time making stir fry). There is a purpose for lower powered quarterbores like the .25-20 and .25-35.

SharpsDressedMan
February 25, 2010, 01:40 PM
James Bond used one (an AR-7, but said to be in .25 cal) in Dr. No, but then that was Hollywood..................

natman
February 25, 2010, 01:42 PM
It was definitely an AR-7 (he shot down a helicopter with it!), but what makes you think it was in 25 ACP?

Shadan7
February 25, 2010, 01:46 PM
Wheeler44: Krochus...did ya notice the weird velocity curve on the American Eagle 50 grns.

What's up with that?

Yeah, we found that a bit odd. As with all our data, it could be due to minor glitches in the testing (a burr left in the barrel from cutting, or chrono problems, et cetera) or it could just be that there is that much variation in the factory loads. It wouldn't take much variation to change the velocity of a 50gr slug.

Jim D.

justashooter in pa
February 25, 2010, 02:24 PM
an italian maker offered an M16 look-alike in 32 ACP in the 70's. it was in the Navy Arms catalogue. Armi jager. i have one of the 22 caliber versions.

justashooter in pa
February 25, 2010, 02:27 PM
well, if anybody would have this, it would be you, buddy.

I have a tiny break-open 4-1/2 pound .32 ACP rifle with 18 inch barrel which I use for quiet garden pest control without disturbing the neighbors.

Bluehawk
February 25, 2010, 06:24 PM
Not all .25's are Saturday Night Specials...I have four or more Sterling Arms Model 300's and I reload .25 auto too!
A .25acp rifle would make a great little rat or short range bunny gun!

CZguy
February 25, 2010, 07:34 PM
Quote:
kind of surprising of how well of a group .32 will make at 100 yards. one hole!

Until you fire the second shot............

That just made me blow coffee out my nose.

Bluehawk
February 25, 2010, 07:37 PM
me too...except it was Diet Pepsi!!! :what:

FIVETWOSEVEN
February 25, 2010, 08:22 PM
Until you fire the second shot............

No it was a few shots, it was more accurate than the remington core-lokt rounds I was firing through it.

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