Don't buy a CheyTac product!


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Boberama
February 24, 2010, 02:44 PM
From the Cheyenne Tactical website:

The CheyTac M-200 changed the world of military sniper deployment and took on all competitors breaking the Best Group All Distance World's Record. Since that time consumers have wanted the M-200 but we at CheyTac Associates have a duty to those who serve and as such we never want our incredible technology to fall into the wrong hands. Therefore we developed the M-200 CIV to have the same look and feel of the Military version but in a package that keeps the extreme distance edge with the front line forces of the US and our allies. See the Press Release when we introduced the M-200 CIV.


What's the point of buying a neutered rifle for 14,000 dollars?

I hope CheyTac goes bankrupt.

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dom1104
February 24, 2010, 03:49 PM
dude I dont even think about 14,000 dollar anything, so it doesnt bother me in the least.

Live on and let them do whatever they want.

X-Rap
February 24, 2010, 03:52 PM
I think they should take a page from Barretts book instead.

dom1104
February 24, 2010, 03:56 PM
wow. I took at look at what he was talking about, sheesh. Looks like someone with a CNC 101 class went to work on that stock as his midterm project lol.

Not what I would spend 14k on.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 24, 2010, 04:02 PM
This is reminiscient of when the US .gov/.mil used to scramble the GPS signal to civilians so that our civvy devices could get a *close* reading (within 10 meters), but not super close like they could (within 1 meter).

This is even worse, where a private company is discriminating against citizens / civilians. So I agree, they should be like Barrett - and until they do, screw 'em.

Fred Fuller
February 24, 2010, 04:09 PM
Just one more case of 'it's the Indian, not the arrow' as far as I'm concerned. I used to work in the same organization as the person who did their early field testing. Anyone who can shoot like he can isn't going to be terribly limited by that decision. And for someone like me, it isn't going to make any difference anyway, unless they build a gun that shoots itself.

lpl

desidog
February 24, 2010, 04:24 PM
Given the title i thought CheyTac'd be anti-2A or anti-puppies&kittens. Hoping they go bankrupt is a bit extreme for offering an overpriced second rate product.

It would stand to reason they make a second-tier price for it, since it is the second tier. This is their choice; so if they lose market-share TS. That's why we enjoy a free market.

X-Rap
February 24, 2010, 04:27 PM
I have no problem with export prohibition of items that may be sensitive or useful to our enemies but can't agree with domestic prohibition to citizens.

Ian
February 24, 2010, 04:36 PM
Is this current info? I can't find any reference to a civilian version of the M200 more recent than 2007...

LemmyCaution
February 24, 2010, 04:50 PM
This is reminiscient of when the US .gov/.mil used to scramble the GPS signal to civilians so that our civvy devices could get a *close* reading (within 10 meters), but not super close like they could (within 1 meter).

Not sure you know this about GPS, but you need a daily updated key to decrypt the P(Y) code to get within 1M resolution. This is still only available to .gov/.mil. Civilians still only get C/A code, with 10M resolution. When Pres. Clinton turned off Selective Availability, we went from 100M to 10M civilian resolution.

Sorry for being off topic.

Mr. T
February 24, 2010, 04:50 PM
Why go there when you could get a .416 Barrett or a .50 BMG from Barrett. I know Cheytac has the distinction of being the most accurate at range, but if you can't get that gun why spend that kind of money. Take the 14K you would have spent on the Cheytac and get a Barrett for less money and you'll have money left over for optics and ammo. :)

ny32182
February 24, 2010, 04:55 PM
So what is different about it that takes off the "extreme distance edge"?

CoRoMo
February 24, 2010, 05:05 PM
Reminds me of Correia's line about HK's stance on the civi market.

Civi Market: Why won't you sell us your rifle?
CheyTac: Because you suck. And we hate you.

Robert
February 24, 2010, 05:30 PM
I am with Ian on this one. I just checked out their site have could not find any information as to the claim made by the OP. Can you provide a link to where that quote is taken?

And even if it is true I would still buy their rifle because I want one. There are maybe 3 people on this entire forum that can shoot well enough to see a difference at the ranges an M200 is capable of. And most of us can not afford the rifle in the first place. So really the point is moot as far as I am concerned. But that is just me.

WestEnd65
February 24, 2010, 06:43 PM
I would be curious to know if they have been doing this since the rifle first came out. If not, then I bet the price of the "unmodified" version on the used market is significantly higher.

tju1973
February 24, 2010, 06:47 PM
Good product, but I agree-- I wouldn't pay that for them. I would love a Barrett 98B--while high, its a fraction of the price...

52grain
February 24, 2010, 08:16 PM
I don't make significant investments from LLCs. Got burned once:cuss:.

Al Thompson
February 24, 2010, 08:20 PM
Without a source, this just plain smacks of unfounded BS rumor.

Robert
February 24, 2010, 08:24 PM
Agreed Al. OP please post a link to this statement on their website.

RX-178
February 24, 2010, 08:28 PM
It's not on their site anymore, but I will second that I have seen the same statement on their official website in the past.

I, RX-178 of TheHighRoad.Org, officially state that I have seen this same comment on the official website of Cheyenne Tactical, some time in the past, prior to their recent website redesign. (Insert Signature Here)

taliv
February 24, 2010, 08:58 PM
use search. it's old, old news

Hatterasguy
February 24, 2010, 09:14 PM
The local gun store had one and sold it pretty fast.

Badass looking rifle, still wouldn't buy that kind of rifle for where I live. Maybe if I lived out west and could take some long shots and really use it. Around here a 200 yard range is about all thats around.

AcceptableUserName
February 24, 2010, 11:21 PM
who cares? its 14,000 dollars. it wouldn't be bought anyway.


gimme a couple crates of ak's any day.

Action_Can_Do
February 25, 2010, 12:25 AM
Since it doesn't seem to bother too many people, maybe other rifle manufacturers should start putting range limiting technology on their rifles. Strictly for our safety of course!;)

mljdeckard
February 25, 2010, 12:30 AM
Something to note, it isn't ILLEGAL to have or buy. It isn't ILLEGAL to sell. What is stopping a dealer from selling you one anyway? (If there were significant demand for the sucker in the first place.)

Remember for years, Remington said that their 700 PSS rifles were manufactured for LE/military only, but that didn't stop dealers from selling them to everyone anyway.

Zundfolge
February 25, 2010, 12:37 AM
I'd have to have this kind of thing verified before I got all worked up over it.

Of course even then for me to say I'm boycotting CheyTac for this would be like me saying I'm going to boycott Ferrari because Enzo said something I didn't like ... its not like I'm in that market in the first place.

That said, if its true it makes me a little sad ... most of the worlds problems are caused by the elitist attitude that the common man isn't smart enough or good enough for this or that. Its the base belief system of progressives (right and left).

ronbuick
February 25, 2010, 12:43 AM
How many folks here can truly use the rifle to its fullest potential??, not to be a butthead, but lets get real other to say, Hey I own a Chey-Tac, JMHO.

Ron

Gunnerpalace
February 25, 2010, 01:32 AM
I'd have to have this kind of thing verified

It's been on their website and a rep confirmed this on Arfcom.

GPWASR10
February 25, 2010, 02:00 AM
Makes me wanna buy a Barret....

Dimis
February 25, 2010, 02:18 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen there is always a better way to skin a cat

i give you this
http://02bfe1c.netsolhost.com/products/m408.htm

the original manufacturer of the rifles for cheytac and EDM doesnt limit anything

oh and did i mention the rifle is cheaper through them?

you dont get all the "fancy sniper kit" but you will get a better rifle than cheytac is offering

blackops
February 25, 2010, 03:32 AM
This is bs. I've seen a M200 (all black) with a range ballistic computer mounted on the top of the scope. The thing wasn't nothin like a watered down rifle. It was a beast. I would take the M200 over the M82A1 any day of my life!!

dom1104
February 25, 2010, 04:08 AM
for everyone who thinks this rifle looks ' badass ', do you play a lot of video games? be honest! :)

I dont see it.

GMFWoodchuck
February 25, 2010, 08:01 AM
How do you "water down" a gun? Make it less accurate? If that's the case how do they justify 14000 dollars for an inaccurate gun? The most accurate gun I ever owned and shot is my savage 12fv. It cost me 431 dollars after taxes, with a scope on it as well and new!! I've made more than one one-hole groups with it, which tells me that there is more at play than cost. I'll be damned if I pay 14 grand for a purposely made-inaccurate gun.

earlthegoat2
February 25, 2010, 08:35 AM
Chey-Tac = HK

How are they "neutering" these CIV rifles anyway?

Anything they do to take away long rang accuracy can be remedied by a gunsmith.

Mandolin
February 25, 2010, 10:36 AM
Ummmm..it's $14,000, enough money to get a .50 cal and ammo for life, or a nice full-auto. In adition, where are you going to find a 3,000 meter range? No big deal, IMHO

Omaha-BeenGlockin
February 25, 2010, 10:41 AM
14k and I'm lookin at cars and motorcycles---not rifles--sheeesh

Plus wouldn't buy their stuff cause of the stupid name---shallow I know.

SpeedAKL
February 25, 2010, 11:10 AM
Where is this information on their website? I have seen M200s before on sale to civilians

Gunnerpalace
February 25, 2010, 11:59 AM
Chey-Tac = HK

Not really,

Where is this information on their website?

They pulled it after some people called them on it,

General Geoff
February 25, 2010, 12:15 PM
To all these people saying the point is moot (due to the high cost of the product and limited market), the point is the principle. Without principle, the 2nd Amendment is dead.

X-Rap
February 25, 2010, 12:20 PM
All the statements about whether the common man can afford the gun or not don't matter as much as the point that they won't sell if we could.
The respect Barrett gained is in the fact that he stood up and said if the common man can't have it than niether can you elitists in the government.
If CheyTac indeed has a prohibition then screw em, if they don't then let em speak with their support for RKBA like Barrett.

aubie515
February 25, 2010, 12:32 PM
What a waste of a thread...that's been on their site for a long time.

The Barretts are not known for their accuracy, so buy one if you have the cash and you need to say you own a Barrett.

MachIVshooter
February 25, 2010, 12:45 PM
This is even worse, where a private company is discriminating against citizens / civilians

Can you imagine a gun company that's willing to do that??? *cough*H&K*cough*colt*cough*

Al LaVodka
February 25, 2010, 08:00 PM
Remember for years, Remington said that their 700 PSS rifles were manufactured for LE/military only, but that didn't stop dealers from selling them to everyone anyway.
I wanna buy one then, or at least one that LOOKS like it, even if they have taken the crown slightly out of round.
Al

Dimis
February 25, 2010, 08:29 PM
im not so sure the gun itself is the nautered product i believe its the ammo (that was only available through cheytac idk anymore) and the reloading data reflected that as well again was only available through cheytac

as far as the price you guys didnt even notice my link to EDM they were partnered with cheytac to develop and produce the M200 and you can get the M200 from cheytac for less than 14000 what your seeing is the "Kit" price you have to contact them to get just a rifle but... EDM makes a .408 rifle for less and will even add the militarized features like the carry handle and bipod etc for just a little more (still under cheytacs price)

the 14000 gets you:
the rifle
a ballistic software program and handheld untit called the CABC (civilian automatic ballistic computer) PDA
SUPRESSOR (thats a big part of the cost right there not to mention the extra fees for transfer)
a kestral windmeter
Nightforce Scope
Rings
Vector IV laser rangefinder linked to the PDA
and ammo

the gun isnt worth that price but your not factoring in the KIT

i personaly would prefer an EDM windrunner in both .408 and .50 over cheytac

and yes the M200 is available to civilians

aubie515
February 25, 2010, 08:58 PM
Other companies offer the 375/408 CT chamber. If you can afford a $10k + rifle...I'm sure you could pay a great smith to barrel your CT with a 32" barrel from a well known barrel maker...IE Obermeyer, Bartlein...etc etc.

Owen
February 25, 2010, 09:05 PM
well if their ammo is neutered, that's a good thing. My experience with the things is that the bolts have to be hammered open on a hot day...

50 Shooter
February 26, 2010, 10:31 PM
Actually the first .408 CT rifles were made for Lost River Ballistics by EDM ARMS when they developed the .408 CT. There was a falling out between the two companies and EDM started selling the rifles to recover the money spent.

LRB used CheyTac Assc. to make their version of EDM's Windrunner rifle, which aren't held to the same standards as EDM ARMS. The owner of EDM ARMS, Bill Ritchie, said he will make you the same exact rifle but for less.

And yes, CTA did have the OP's quoted post on their website for a long time. 14K for their sub standard version of EDM's Windrunner is a joke in anyones book. Plus there are other companies that make bolt action rifles in .408 CT for a lot less then either company. If you have to have the break down version like the Windrunner, go with EDM ARMS.

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