Don't ask don't tell?


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iScream
February 24, 2010, 06:36 PM
No, not that.

I'm moving to Nashville in a couple weeks to start a new job. My wife is going to stay in Texas for one or two months while I get settled in and find a house we can rent. During this time I'm going to rent a room from someone I've never met. I'm taking all the guns except one for my wife to have here as protection but I can't decide if I should even bring up the subject with my temporary roommate. I'm planning to send the guns home with my step dad so he can keep them at their house in Huntsville, Al, about 1.5 hours away. This probably means I'll only get to shoot a couple times if I meet my step dad somewhere and he brings my guns.

So, would you guys just completely avoid the subject of firearms while renting a room in a short term situation like this? Or, would you bring it up to see if there would be any objection to you keeping a couple guns locked in your room? The guy just got divorced and lives in the house alone at the moment so there are no kids to be concerned about.

I'm leaning toward the latter since some people have such a warped view of gun owners and I'm worried about freaking the guy out or something. Maybe I'll get there and find an issue of Guns And Ammo in the magazine rack...

What do you all think?

Thanks,
Chris

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CoRoMo
February 24, 2010, 06:45 PM
I've heard that it is easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission.

Rembrandt
February 24, 2010, 06:55 PM
Loose-lips-sink-ships..........only one person can keep a secret.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/loose-lips-sink-ships-2.jpg

MachIVshooter
February 24, 2010, 06:57 PM
If you're a renter, you have rights, and that includes the right to possess your firearms. Unless no firearms is a condition of your short term lease agreement, doesn't really matter whether you tell or not. I probably wouldn't, not to be sneaky, but to avoid someone I don't really know knowing what I've got.

CoRoMo
February 24, 2010, 06:58 PM
But seriously, I thought about this regarding the landlord that my business rents from. I figured it would play out like this:


CoRoMo: "Hey Landlord, this is CoRoMo. I rent from you and wanted to know, do you mind if I carry while I'm at work?"

CoRoMo's Landlord: "Hi CoRoMo. Guns, huh? I've never thought about that. Nobody's ever asked me that before. Hmmm. No. Don't bring a gun onto the property you rent from me".

So, I figured I'd leave well-enough alone.

EddieNFL
February 24, 2010, 07:04 PM
Rule one in the military.

Sniper X
February 24, 2010, 07:07 PM
I suggest keeping it to yourself for many reasons. One is security, who knos if he the landlord will tell some croney he knows that his new renter has guns in the house and knows when you are not there to protect them. Also, if the landlord is a gun hater, and tells you he wants you unarmed then you have to either look for a place to rent that respects not only your right to protect yourself but the constitution. I say heed the title of your post. It can go only two ways if he finds out later, he either is fine with it and shows you his CCW piece, or he try's to kick you out which I don't see happeneing if he wants to actually rent the room in this economy.

mljdeckard
February 24, 2010, 07:11 PM
Because it's temporary, I say keep quiet, at least until you find out if your roommate is cool with it.

NMGonzo
February 24, 2010, 07:11 PM
Loose lips sink ships.

Sniper X
February 24, 2010, 07:14 PM
Let me put it this way now that I thought about it a bit. True story too. My Dad has been an on and off again father since he and my mom divorced when I was 12. He has never kept up with me and my hobbies. But he has always been nice and respected me for getting as far as I have without any financial support from him whatsoever. We have always gotton along great since the divorce. BUT, when he found out I was into guns like I am and saw my email address a couple years ago, he basically disowned me. I heard he said to his wife "I'll read about him in the paper or see him on the 11oclock news" after he saw my email address. it didn't even dawn on him that I had been a US Army sniper and a Special Forces member in the Army for 10 years....all he saw was my email address and didn't even ask about it. So, needless to say he is an uberlib and has the mindset so disowned his own son for being a "Gun Nut". BTW, I have never even been arrested in my entire life and have about three traffic tickets since I began driving in 1974. So not a criminal.

Gunfighter123
February 24, 2010, 07:35 PM
Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead !!!

hso
February 24, 2010, 08:14 PM
It's Nashville, not New York. Call the guy and tell him you're going to bring your guns with you until you can get to them to your Dad's. If he squawks, just take them to your Dad's place when you hit town.

mokin
February 24, 2010, 08:18 PM
Don't ask, don't tell was operating in an unofficial capacity in the military long before it became a "policy". It works well on many levels. I wouldn't bring it up.

danez71
February 24, 2010, 08:36 PM
It's Nashville, not New York. Call the guy and tell him you're going to bring your guns with you until you can get to them to your Dad's. If he squawks, just take them to your Dad's place when you hit town.

This is the right thing to do.

I think its extremly rude not to tell him. Its his house and IMO you're a paying guest. He has welcomed you into his home.

And keep in mind that he may snoop around your stuff. So anything that isnt on your body has a decent chance of being found. It would be terrible to come back to your rented room with the police already there and have to explain your way out.

Not worth the potential downside to me.

As someone thats more than casually familiar with AZ tenant landlord laws, I can comfortably say that not all of the same tenants rights and laws apply to someone renting a room for a couple of month vs someone that is leasing(or renting) a house/apt/duplex/condo etc. Is there a contract?

MetalHead
February 24, 2010, 08:44 PM
Different tack, why not take the one gun you need and let the wife watch the others for you?

MachIVshooter
February 24, 2010, 09:50 PM
I think its extremly rude not to tell him. Its his house and IMO you're a paying guest. He has welcomed you into his home.

That's exactly my point. Paying rent makes you a tennant/leasee, and that comes with privileges/rights. No, it doesn't mean you can alter or damage the structure. But it does give you the right to privacy and possession of legal items on the premesis, among other things. Unless explicitly stated verbally or in writing, one can reasonably assume that non-prohibited items are allowed.

LibShooter
February 24, 2010, 10:12 PM
If you're keeping a pile of guns at your Dad's house I can't see any reason to bring it up with your landlord. However, I can't think of a reason to hide it either. If your gun fancy comes up in conversation, then that's cool, too.

If you bring the guns into his home, then it's a whole 'nother issue. Are you renting an apartment or a room in the guy's house? If your place has a separate entrance and address and you did not sign a lease stating you would not possess firearms on the premises, then bring on the shootin' irons.

But, if you're crashing in some dude's guest room, you owe it to him to get his approval before bringing firearms in the house.

danez71
February 24, 2010, 10:32 PM
That's exactly my point. Paying rent makes you a tennant/leasee, and that comes with privileges/rights. No, it doesn't mean you can alter or damage the structure. But it does give you the right to privacy and possession of legal items on the premesis, among other things. Unless explicitly stated verbally or in writing, one can reasonably assume that non-prohibited items are allowed.

Again...

As someone thats more than casually familiar with AZ tenant landlord laws, I can comfortably say that not all of the same tenants rights and laws apply to someone renting a room for a couple of month vs someone that is leasing(or renting) a house/apt/duplex/condo etc. Is there a contract?


I cant speak for his location but in AZ renting a room does not automaticaly grant him the same rights and protections as renting a dwelling. He may be renting "space"; not "property". I forgot the legal words used to define it.

Renting a room generally falls into a roommate catagory and not tenant landlord laws.

Does the room he is renting have its own separate entrance? Does it have its own address?

If he doesnt have his own address... or... if they are both living at the same address.... its almost assuredly a roommate situation.

The first things a judge would say is ... Is there a contract?

Legally in AZ, the contract must define what he is renting. (ie. space or property) And if its property, in AZ, it must state if its governed under the Arizona Landlord Tenat Act.

If its a roommate issue the judge should say you are a roommate and its his house his rules... basically saying if you dont like his rules then get out or sue for some other reason to break the agreement such as not providing the agreed goods/services.

Regardless of all that... IMO... its the right thing to do. Why be sneaky?

If the guy is anti gun, I would want to know that before I got there.

Its not worth the potential downsides IMO. He may snoop in his stuff.


Libshooter nailed it while I was writing this.

Buck Nekkid
February 24, 2010, 11:13 PM
From 12/08 until 9/09 I rented a room in a 4 bedroom house here in Texas. I was concerned with my personal safety so I brought only a few of my firearms. I'm glad I was cautious. My room had no lock on the door and any of my housemates could have come into my room when I wasn't there.

As a consequence I kept my RAMI on my person and my CZ 97 & CZ 75C in the trunk of my car. I'd caution you to proceed with care. Your firearms have value and I wouldn't leave them in an unlocked or accessible room.

SSN Vet
February 24, 2010, 11:18 PM
Rule one in the military. :confused:

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medalguy
February 25, 2010, 12:28 AM
I would not mention it for security reasons. He just might mention at his workplace breakroom to a fellow employee "Hey I just got a new roomie, and man, he's got a ton of guns" whereupon that guy mentions it to the guy on the loading dock who mentions it to the driver of the garbage truck who..... See where this is leading? I try not to mention the fact that I have guns to anybody I don't know real well.

Fremmer
February 25, 2010, 12:53 AM
would you guys just completely avoid the subject of firearms while renting a room in a short term situation like this?

Yes. Nobody needs to know about your guns, or your jewelry, or your stock certificates, or anything else of value you own. Why even mention it?

Personally, I would keep all but one handgun at your relative's house. That way, if someone (the owner, the owner's shady friend(s), or god knows who else) snoops and steals, you only lose one handgun. If you can keep it locked up in a small safe or lockbox, all the better. Or keep it locked up in the trunk of your car.

But I wouldn't say anything about it. You don't know this guy, you don't know his friends and, frankly, you probably won't know any of them after 2 months pass and you move out. JMHO.

hoghunting
February 25, 2010, 12:58 AM
Since you're driving, why not drive to Huntsville first and drop off your guns at Stepdad's, then head north to Nashville? Seems like a very simple solution. Keep one gun for protection until you get a house.

Sav .250
February 25, 2010, 08:07 AM
Only one way to find out..............

GMFWoodchuck
February 25, 2010, 08:26 AM
As a renter the house is as good as yours.

CoRoMo
February 25, 2010, 10:29 AM
I think its extremly rude not to tell him.

Would you also tell him that you plan to bring your pocket knife? Your toothbrush? Should you ask permission to bring in a bottle of wine? Are you going to ask him which shampoo he prefers that you use? What about beef? Does he need to ask the landlord if it is okay to bring meat into the residence? What about medical history? Should he run his medical records by this guy? Is it rude not to inform the guy of any personal political ideology beforehand, or is that any of his business?

Dravur
February 25, 2010, 11:02 AM
I don't know who this Lewis Lipps guy is and why he sinks so many ships, but people really don't like him.

I am of two minds on this one. For one, you are renting a room from someone in their home. I kind of have the thought that it is their home, their rules. But the alternative is not to tell them and just keep it a secret.

Hmmm, I'd say ask them their opinion, let them know you are responsible and a law abiding gun owner and see what happens. It may surprise you.

Now, if you were renting a whole apartment, then I definitely would just move in and not tell that guy Lewis anything.

wishin
February 25, 2010, 11:10 AM
I'd give him the same courtesy that I would expect. Let your conscience be your guide.

drgrenthum
February 25, 2010, 11:57 AM
i agree with CoRoMo.... On this site i constantly hear people trying to get public as a whole to look at guns as tools. Yet i wouldnt mention to the landlord that i am bringing a socket set. This is one of those situations that if you make it a big deal then i am sure the landlord will make it a big deal.

If i was renting out a room in my home and someone explictly told me "hey i am bringing a bunch of guns" I too would be cautious and have to rethink the situation, and i love guns. I would rather, after their in and i have talked to them a few times them casually asking me if i want to go to the range or something

LibShooter
February 25, 2010, 12:12 PM
Yet i wouldnt mention to the landlord that i am bringing a socket set.

Guns are different than socket sets. An ND with a pistol can kill the guy in the next room. An "accidental nut loosening" is unlikely to hurt anybody (unless its the nut that holds on your steering wheel). Successfully sharing a home with another person requires a higher level of trust and cooperation than renting an apartment.

KarenTOC
February 25, 2010, 12:45 PM
You said you've never met the guy you're renting a room from. Do you know him from somewhere (forum? coworker in a different office? friend-of-a-friend?) or is this guy a total stranger?

I would not bring my guns - or any valuables - into the home of a stranger. Not because he might be an anti, but because I wouldn't trust him enough to leave anything I wouldn't want to lose alone in his house.

Since you have alternatives (leave with wife or take directly to step-dad), you don't really NEED to take your guns. Bring a carry gun, keep it locked in your car, leave the rest with family. Don't tell.

makarovnik
February 25, 2010, 08:36 PM
Are you renting from a stranger or with a stranger or both?

Mums the word.

iScream
February 25, 2010, 08:48 PM
Wow, more feedback than I expected.

I probably should have explained a little more clearly what I plan to do. My step dad is probably going to meet me up there to help unload a couple things and I'll send my guns home with him at that time. They won't be inside the guys house at any time. I'm just trying to decide if I should mention it to him at some point while I'm staying there so maybe I can bring a few up to take to the range with me.

This is a room I found on Craigslist. I've talked to the guy on the phone and he has sent me some extra pictures of the room but that's the only interaction we've had so far.

I think I'm probably just going to keep my mouth shut about guns while I'm there and not have any in his house at any point. If I see or hear something that makes it obvious he is OK with firearms, I'll bring up the subject though. Franklin, TN is a pretty nice place and his house is only 15 minutes from where I'll be working so I should be fine without a gun for personal protection.

Thanks to everyone for all the replies!

-Chris

danez71
February 25, 2010, 08:59 PM
Would you also tell him that you plan to bring your pocket knife? Your toothbrush? Should you ask permission to bring in a bottle of wine? Are you going to ask him which shampoo he prefers that you use? What about beef? Does he need to ask the landlord if it is okay to bring meat into the residence? What about medical history? Should he run his medical records by this guy? Is it rude not to inform the guy of any personal political ideology beforehand, or is that any of his business?


Come on now... Thats as silly as me asking you if your 1st choice to defend yourself would be your toothbrush. Lets try to keep things a little more relevant than a tooth brush is equivalant to guns.

We're not even sure if its a landlord or roomate situation.

If he's totally anti I would want to know it. Maybe if he asks.... the guy might tell him things that makes him feel unsafe (no man, I cant have guns cuz I have too many felonies). I'd want to know that too.

If the guys tells him no and he has to look for another place to rent for a couple months.... Big deal.

Bhamrichard
February 25, 2010, 09:30 PM
but I can't decide if I should even bring up the subject with my temporary roommate

Ok couple things, we're talking about someone in the South which increases your chances he's gun friendly.. But as your moving in WITH him, and you don't know HIS entire situation, you should at least talk to him about it.

Heck you never know, hey may have an ex wife with some sort of protective order, or could be a felon that requires him NOT be around firearms. Potentially putting him in a bad position. There's plenty of if's in all this scenario but if you bring it up, up front, you don't have to worry about problems popping up later that you couldn't foresee.

Warhawk83
February 26, 2010, 07:46 PM
His ex could also come in the house when nobody is there and take everything!

I had an ex steal my DOG...

ol' scratch
February 26, 2010, 07:59 PM
You don't have to tell him unless it is in the lease (which I don't think he could do). The only time I didn't have a gun was when I lived on campus. Every other time, I had something. You have a right to privacy and a 2nd amendment right. If he doesn't tell you up front, you are safe.

Officers'Wife
February 26, 2010, 08:08 PM
As much as I hate to throw this into the mix... would the firearm(s) in question have to be included on the landlord's home insurance in case of fire/theft? It would seem that non-disclosure would force you to assume that risk.

youngda9
February 26, 2010, 09:40 PM
Why is guns such a big worry for everyone. Keep to yourself...learn about your new roommate, and figure out where to go from there. Don't ask a bunch of keyboard commandos their advice on a situation with so many variables. sheesh.

Daveboone
February 26, 2010, 11:36 PM
Regardless of renters rights, etc...
You are going to be staying with a total stranger, regardless of first impressions or similar interests once you meet. I wouldnt dare leave firearms or any other truly valuable or tempting property in a house where someone else may have access, without a safe.
If it was me, I would limit firearms in that situation to a carry handgun that was with me at all times, which eliminates the concern of leaving it in the rented property. For me, safeguarding the arms would be the highest priority over convenience of having them with me.

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