98 Mauser custom mannlicher, anyone seen one?


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Hardwoodjdc
February 25, 2010, 12:14 AM
I have an old 98 Mauser in 30-06 with a full mannlicher stock, silent slide safety, double set triggers, shadow line cheekpiece, tasteful engraving on the trigger gaurd and top of the reciever, claro walnut stock with fine line checkering in excellent condition (has been drilled and tapped) this is a gorgeous gun and very well balanced with a weight of just over 7 lbs. The maker has signed the inside of the butt plate.
Has anyone seen another one of these? Does anyone know if this could be an original Mauser 77 mannlicher as listed in the 29th Edition of the Blue Book at the top of page 1182 or is it more likely to have been custom built? I have had it to Dick Williams gun shop and they weren't sure, neither was Williams Gunsight in Davison Mi. Either way, I thought you folks might enjoy seeing it.

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Runningman
February 25, 2010, 01:51 AM
Not much info here. What do the markings say? Any proof marks?

Hardwoodjdc
February 25, 2010, 04:53 AM
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116388Not much info here. What do the markings say? Any proof marks?
bbl. is marked "30-06" and ser. # on the reciever is 2625. This pic shows the crest? engraved in the top of the reciever. I could remove the scope and mounts again but if I remember correctly, it didn't have anything under them which helped in identification much. Let me know if you think seeing it will help and I will post pics. This has been the problem, not much information other than the gun as a whole. Thanks, Jeff

Hardwoodjdc
February 25, 2010, 05:00 AM
I am relatively new to this forum and as such am not sure if I am posting the pics O.K. or not. I only seem to be able to ad 2 pic. to a post. Is that the limit or how do I post additional?

PzGren
February 25, 2010, 05:07 AM
Name of manufacturer is Recknagel, these are quite common in Germany.
Why don't you contact them?

http://www.recknagel.de/de/systemtechnik.html

Has anyone seen another one of these? Does anyone know if this could be an original Mauser 77 mannlicher as listed in the 29th Edition of the Blue Book at the top of page 1182 or is it more likely to have been custom built

You have a rifle that was converted from a military 98 system by Recknagel in Germany. They continued manufacturing arms in 1948 and I believe your gun to be from shortly after that year. They still use a few military parts and just converted them, like the trigger guard is added to a military magazine housing. The absence of a proof mark on the barrel is strange, maybe it was rebarreled in the U.S.? It is a stepped barrel and those were not too common in 30/06. Brno made a few and Norway rebarreld their captured K98ks in 30/06.

Recknagel is still in business, follow the link and contact the company. With some luck, they will answer your question.

SaxonPig
February 25, 2010, 09:46 AM
The loading cut-out on the left side of the receiver indicates this is a converted military rifle (commercial actions don't have provision for the clip loading). In Germany, Austria and Bavaria there were numerous custom gunsmiths rebuilding wartime M98s into fine sporting rifles. They can be relatively plain, simple hunting rifles or grand presentation pieces or anything in between.

In most cases these were small shops, often one man operations and while the quality is excellent little is known about them outside of their hometowns. Quite a few of these rifles were brought back after the war by returning GIs.

Here's such a rifle that I own. Mine is still in the original military caliber using the original barrel. Yours is higher quality using a new barrel in a caliber that would appeal to an American soldier shopping for a rifle to take home with him.


http://www.fototime.com/5CEEF8D30C654A5/standard.jpg

earlthegoat2
February 25, 2010, 09:49 AM
That is a fine looking rifle and one that was very tastefully sporterized.

Hardwoodjdc
February 25, 2010, 10:43 AM
Name of manufacturer is Recknagel, these are quite common in Germany.
Why don't you contact them?

http://www.recknagel.de/de/systemtechnik.html



You have a rifle that was converted from a military 98 system by Recknagel in Germany. They continued manufacturing arms in 1948 and I believe your gun to be from shortly after that year. They still use a few military parts and just converted them, like the trigger guard is added to a military magazine housing. The absence of a proof mark on the barrel is strange, maybe it was rebarreled in the U.S.? It is a stepped barrel and those were not too common in 30/06. Brno made a few and Norway rebarreld their captured K98ks in 30/06.

Recknagel is still in business, follow the link and contact the company. With some luck, they will answer your question.
You Guys are the Best! Thank you for the information. I have been trying to track down the origens of this gun for several years and have never been successful. The makers signature on the butt plate seems to have been the key. I have been to the Recknagel website and need to do some additional reading there but all of this is starting to make sense now. I really enjoy this gun, I aqquired it at a gun show from another attendee who was walking in trying to sell it. I looked it over and recognized it as being very high quality and asked him how much? He said he wanted $400, I don't think I ever paid for anything so quickly! If you could handle it, you would understand why!

PzGren
February 26, 2010, 01:48 AM
If you could handle it, you would understand why!

I love the Mannlicher stocked guns that are called Stutzen in Germany for their great balance. The term Stutzen derives from the word to trim, cut and used to describe very short rifles. They are still popular in Germany among hunters and are used for stalking.

Hardwoodjdc,

if you need any further help, with translations, or contacting Recknagel, send me a PM.

Hardwoodjdc
February 26, 2010, 02:22 AM
will do!! I emailed them this morning and hopefully will hear back soon.


































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Izzy77
February 26, 2010, 07:45 AM
if it's a WWII Maser receivers, 1030 low carbon steel with a carborized ( case hardened) outer layer not Germany's finest product.

PzGren
February 26, 2010, 10:55 AM
if it's a WWII Maser receivers, 1030 low carbon steel with a carborized ( case hardened) outer layer not Germany's finest product.

I would not worry about any product from Recknagel!!! The old Recknagel knew his Mausers better than most people alive today.

Also Izzy, where did you take your wisdom from? Without a year of production this is pretty vague...

Mr. T
February 26, 2010, 04:24 PM
Dear Hardwoodjdc,

My brother-in-law has one that looks just like that.

--T

Hardwoodjdc
February 26, 2010, 05:35 PM
Dear Hardwoodjdc,

My brother-in-law has one that looks just like that.

--T
It would be interesting to see if the back of the butt plate is signed "Recknagle" with the last 2 digits of the ser. # as well. Do you suppose you could get him to check? It is only 2 screws ??? I would be interested in exchanging photos with him and seeing what he thinks of the rifle as well.

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