Goex with 1858 Remmie?


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stash
February 25, 2010, 08:53 PM
Just received some GOEX fffg, paid 15.00 a pound. I know I have asked before but that was for the substitutes. To those of you who have used GOEX fffg in their 1858 Piettta New Army Remmie. What grain loads do you recommend for target shooting and plinking? I am thinking about 25 gr. OK ?

PS--I will be using a lubed felt patch, "Cabelas" between the powder and ball

Thanks

Stash

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SixShootinSam
February 25, 2010, 08:57 PM
Stash, I personally use 30-35 grains. I have a steel frame though, if you have brass I would go no higher than 25 for sure.

Jorg Nysgerrig
February 25, 2010, 09:03 PM
I find about 28 gr is a sweet spot with my 1858 using those same Cabela's felt patches.

stash
February 25, 2010, 09:03 PM
This is the Remmie I have. Thanks for the replys !!

Stash

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0006195210083a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=1858+new+army&sort=all&Go.y=0&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=0

tango2echo
February 25, 2010, 09:23 PM
I have the exact same gun. Mine likes 25grs of fffg for light loads with #11 caps, no wad necessary. Just some lube over the ball. For heavier loads 35grs does well.

t2e

BHP FAN
February 25, 2010, 09:35 PM
My Itallian flask has a spout marked ''28 grains'' that is the perfect load,with a Wonder Wad and .454 round ball.Yes, you can do away with the wad, and it certainly isn't '' nessesary'' but, I DO like the ''self cleaning'' feature,it's less messy, and more importantly, it seats the ball out a little closer to the barrel, which seems conductive to better accuracy.

stash
February 25, 2010, 09:36 PM
I have assumed a wad is necessary to lube and clean the barrel when shot and to prevent cross fire use crisco. I guess I need to know if it is safer to use a wad than not?

Thanks

Stash

robhof
February 25, 2010, 09:42 PM
I would start at 20gr and work up, every gun is just enough different about what powder level is best. Even my ROA that'll hold 45gr gets it's best groups with 30gr, so start low and work up til they open up and back down. With the lower loads, you might want to use filler or 2 wads to keep the bullet closer to the end of the cylinder; better accuracy, closer to the forcing cone.

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
February 25, 2010, 10:28 PM
I use 20.8 grs. No you don't have to use a wad. Use a little "Creme of Wheat"
or Cornmeal to take up the space.

Mike OTDP
February 25, 2010, 10:51 PM
I'd try 15 grains. Concur on the Cream of Wheat.

BHP FAN
February 25, 2010, 11:35 PM
15 is about a half a charge. That's what I use in a .36 Brass frame. Of course,it would be near recoiless in a .44, and with filler to bring it out somewhere near the forceing cone it should be accurate, at close distance.Plus, with all that cream of wheat filler, it'll smell like breakfast.

stash
February 27, 2010, 10:28 AM
For those who have a 1858 Pietta New Army, on page 18 of the manual is says use 12-15 Grain of powder, with 15 grains being the MAX, but many of you say to and are using much more?--again confused :confused:

Also it says: WARNING never exceed the Max.

Am I being cautious?--Of course!

Thanks for any info

stash

dogrunner
February 27, 2010, 02:14 PM
Don't believe it possible to get ENOUGH black in a '58 cylinder chamber to blow the gun..........I have one that I've owned for over twenty years that shoots great with a nearly full chamber full of triple F..........I leave just enough room to seat the ball and lube the cylinder mouth........on occasion, when I have 'em, I'll use felt wads too, but I still lube the cylinder....I have never experienced any problem whatever and the gun shoots as well today as it did when I bought it.

I will note that while both black and pyrodex are very similar I noted a considerable differance in power when I stoked that gun with triple 7.......That stuff is notably hotter and while I've yet to chronograph it my bet is that it'll register substantially more velocity than either of the former.

You can measure black all you want, but in my experience I've not noted any real issue to comment on with less than a five grain variation......now, accuracy wise, perhaps..........power or danger..........nope!

oldpuppymax
February 27, 2010, 04:59 PM
Fifteen dollars/lb sounds like a pretty good price. I have NO local shops which carry real BP so I'll be ordering 10 lbs from Powder Inc. The price will be $169.00 delivered to my door. Hate to order that much, in a way, but given the current occupant of the White House, who knows if it will be LEGAL next year. And one or two pound orders are often accompanied by some pretty stiff hazmat fees.

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
February 27, 2010, 05:46 PM
I don't know why they always say that sort of stuff. (probably something to do with the legal department) I remember years and years ago Dixie Gun Works told me they recommended 24 grains of powder for the Uberti 1847 Walker/Colt. I hung up on their dumb ass and bought the Walker from Cabela's. Been with Cabela's ever since for the most part. Sure as hell haven't been back to visit Dixie Gun Works I can tell you that real quick. I have a good load worked out for my Pietta Remington 1858 New Model Armies. Worked it out years ago. Work's fine. Real fine. 30 grains of Triple Seven 3fff, .451 swaged round lead balls, and I use Remington #10 percussion caps. I guess the point here is the powder. DON'T WORRY! If you have a good steel framed '58 you are not going to put too much powder in it so long as you can still fit the balls and the cylinder will cycle properly. The gun will handle a hot load all day long. 30 grains of Triple Seven is not all THAT hot but it's pretty damn warm, trust me on this. (if you want to)..NOTICE!! I am in NO WAY telling you or anybody else on this site how much or what type of powder to use. I am simply telling you what I do and what I have found work's for me and my guns....

NavyLCDR
February 27, 2010, 06:27 PM
My 1851 Navy .44 Cal brass replica loves 35 grains Pryodex RS, a wad and .451 ball. I have tried with and without the wad and the wad greatly improves accuracy, but I guess cream o wheat would too. With the cleaning benefit of the wad, though, I don't see any reason not to use it. My Pietta manual says something stupid like 15 or 19 grains powder max too, but the Traditions manual said something completely different. I don't know, are grains of powder measured differently in Europe maybe?

Ifishsum
February 28, 2010, 01:41 AM
I find about 28 gr is a sweet spot with my 1858 using those same Cabela's felt patches.

My experience exactly. For some reason accuracy is very good in mine at exactly 28 grains.

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