Cant find a .308 MBR i like in my price range


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jlott00
February 25, 2010, 08:35 PM
i cant seem to find a 308 i like thats in my price range, i like the m1a but its 1300 bucks plus another 200 for mags,

saiga 308, like it but mags are 40 bucks! so you end up with 900 bucks in a saiga, might as well get an m1a

G3, im a lefty so the op rod is on the wrong side.....

fals are like 1200.......then mags

there are some Ar type 308's but im not big on a DI, BECAUSE* i want a gun i can not clean for long periods.....i have no experience ....please no ARvsXX debates

i want semi autos btw and about 10 at least GOOD mags, any rifles out there i dont know about?
at this point im saving for an m1a but thats a lot of money

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Z-Michigan
February 25, 2010, 08:45 PM
If you know that you want an M1A, save up for it and get one.

.308 "battle rifles" are inherently rather expensive, since most of them were designed when forging and complicated hand machining were standard and affordable manufacturing procedures, and there is fairly little remaining military surplus spillover to keep prices down, the way there is for the AR-15 and AKM types.

You could find an FAL for under $1000 and get mags for $13-15 each, but if you know that you want the M1A I would save up for it.

aubie515
February 25, 2010, 08:54 PM
The rifle is the cheapest part when considering a semi. Pony up like the rest of us...otherewise stop whining.

If you cannot afford the mags, you won't be able to afford to feed it.

snakeman
February 25, 2010, 08:57 PM
you could go with a cetme save for the oprod good luck I think you just ruled them all out! I agree with z-michigan.

powerline
February 25, 2010, 09:21 PM
I have an Entreprise FAL I picked up at an auction for about $600, and I'm happy with it. It looks good, shoots great, and sure beats the living hell out if the Century FAL I had years back.
I've never seen one at a gun store, but Entreprise's web site shows they start at about $1000, but seem to be on sale for $800 pretty often. The most I've paid for a mag was $12, most were $10 in as new condition.

06
February 25, 2010, 09:40 PM
Saw an SKS "M" style (AK mags) for $400 this week. I keep mine as a ready grab truck shooter. It sits right on top of my Aluminum rifle case holding an M1A and 700. If neither of those three will not handle a situation then you do not need to be there. You will like an SKS. I have several and used to love my "bubba'd" up one. Folding stock, bipod, and scope made the little shooter very accurate. Six inch groups at 200 yds will get you by most any day. Some of these old shooters are very accurate. They are not tack drivers but then they don't cost like one either.

RobMoore
February 25, 2010, 09:46 PM
What IS your price range? If $1000 is too much, maybe you should consider other caliber options, or bolt-action.

Z-Michigan
February 25, 2010, 10:34 PM
I have an Entreprise FAL I picked up at an auction for about $600, and I'm happy with it. It looks good, shoots great, and sure beats the living hell out if the Century FAL I had years back.
I've never seen one at a gun store, but Entreprise's web site shows they start at about $1000, but seem to be on sale for $800 pretty often. The most I've paid for a mag was $12, most were $10 in as new condition.

Atlantic Firearms has the Entreprise FAL for around $800.

FAL mags are nowhere near as cheap and common as they used to be. Lately you are looking at $10-15/mag for fair condition and $18+ for good to excellent condition.

jpwilly
February 25, 2010, 10:45 PM
CEMTE for $500-600 may just work for you!

Birddog1911
February 25, 2010, 10:50 PM
If you buy an Enterprise, be sure that you get it as a complete rifle, and not a kit rifle with just an Ent. receiver; many of the the receivers were way out of spec. Ensuring that you get the full rifle makes sure that the company corrected any rec. issues that they might have had. Still not a great reason to get one in my opinion; a Century can be made to shoot pretty well.

Now, all of that said; I'm an M1A fan through and through. Look carefully, and you can find a used standard model for around $1200. I'm not entirely sure why you think that you need 10 mags from the git go; get 2 or 4 or 6...work your way up.

Another thing to consider is that if your like many of us, you will want to have the specific tools for any of the battle rifles. Disclaimer: I've never owned a G3/Cetme/HK91. That said, if you have interest in being proficient with either a FAL or an M14 platform, your gonna have to collect certain tools as well; just comes with the territory. I've probably got $100 or more in tools for my M1A, and there are one or two that I want. It was the same way with the FAL, perhaps a little cheaper. Keep this in mind.

A battle rifle is an investment, regardless of which one. But, after the investment is made, you'll be quite happy, knowing that not only can you shoot with that rifle, but do lower level maintenance on it as well.

Ian
February 25, 2010, 11:42 PM
Speaking as a fellow lefty, I got an M1. Mine's in .308, but .30-06 is more affordable at the moment. With a bit of practice, the 8-round clip size really doesn't slow you down, and it definitely does save money to not need magazines. The ergonomics are good, reliability and durability are good, accuracy is good. You have limited optics options, but there are options (I went for an AmegaRanges rail and Burris pistol scope).

DoubleTapDrew
February 25, 2010, 11:45 PM
$1,200+ seems to be about the going rate of a .308 semi auto MBR and magazines.
Just save up for an M1A rather than pay 2/3 as much for something you won't be as happy with.

Utah1
February 25, 2010, 11:57 PM
If you could live without 20rd mags, get a M1 Garand. $600 or so will get you a nice one from the CMP. $1000 will get you an excellant rifle with a new barrel. Enblocs are cheap, and the CMP will be selling 30.06 again shortly.

jlott00
February 26, 2010, 08:20 AM
thanks for the info. i just wanted to see if there was anything else out there for me i wasnt aware of, but seems there is not.

Im going to continue to save for the m1a.

and try and "stop whining" :D

Z-Michigan
February 26, 2010, 09:00 AM
Sounds like a plan. You might want to buy some new USGI M14 mags while they're cheap:

http://www.44mag.com/products.asp?dept=1318

Riss
February 26, 2010, 09:06 AM
Look for a good used M1A. I found a SuperMatch that was worn out and upgraded it to a M25 Crazy Horse and I could not be happier. Took a little while to get her done but I could not be happier. And the total price was lower than that of a new M21 Springfield.

desidog
February 26, 2010, 10:04 AM
Speaking as a lefty, don't bother with a FAL or a CETME.

i have an M1A Loaded and a Saiga 308 - once you get one..... well, don't let the introductory price get in your way. That's just the downpayment - ammo is the main cost in the long run; if you wanna shoot and not just oogle.

If i were you, i'd get out and test-drive before you buy.

Hatterasguy
February 26, 2010, 10:05 AM
Buy a Garand and you won't need mags.:D

But seriously ammo is your main cost, the rifle is the cheap part these days.

RobMoore
February 26, 2010, 10:07 AM
I've never used an FAL or CETME left handed, but why don't lefties c0ck it with their right hand like righties do to AKs with their left?

OhioChief
February 26, 2010, 03:05 PM
"there are some Ar type 308's but im not big on a DI, BECAUSE* i want a gun i can not clean for long periods.....i have no experience"


That's just painful to read.

Tirod
February 26, 2010, 03:20 PM
With operating handles, they are where they are. The M1A works for lefties because it's their off hand. It works for right handers regardless, as it was made that way. You just have to move your hand when loading, like it or not. With a CETME, HK, or other, it's the same thing. Mags are cheap, tho.

With the AR, cleaning is not a much as the rumor mill and internet have made. If anything, it's flat wrong. Lots of AR shooters have learned cleaning isn't what it's been distorted to be by Command directives and other ignorance. Has nothing to do with being DI or not.

What it boils down to is being lefthanded or whatever, buy what you like and can afford. If it's just going to sit around for long periods, it will always be awkward to shoot.

savage23
February 26, 2010, 03:33 PM
Check out the gun auction sites. sometimes you can find good deals. I got an armalite ar-10 on gunbroker last year for $1200. The gun looked almost new! By the way, last saturday i picked up a loaded m1a for $1300. plus my POS colt/umerx.22lr. I think i got a good deal!

MTMilitiaman
February 26, 2010, 04:07 PM
Save for the M1A, it's worth it.

For general utility, I would recommend the M1A Scout as the most practical blend of balance, range, and power.

The standard is also nice but with that 22" barrel, it loses some of its handiness for general chores.

I have a "Loaded" model that has been fantastic. My only complaint is that 22" medium contour barrel. If I had it to go over again I would go with a Scout.

Regardless, the M1A is a sweet rifle and if you have found a hankering to own one, it is definitely worth it to save and get one.

Sheepdog1968
February 26, 2010, 05:04 PM
Several thoughts jump to mind

Buy once, cry once. You will have it forever.

Quality will be remembered long after cost is forgotten.

I can think of one firearm that I've easily put $4,000 worth of ammo through it. Kinda makes the cost of the firearm much less important.

You can always go used for the rifle you want. Most haven't been fired much and there can be a substantial savings over new.

jlott00
February 26, 2010, 11:49 PM
rolling my refund, put my money down on one today.

Ughh
February 26, 2010, 11:54 PM
jlott, what about an AK chambered for .308. Talk about affordability. I was thinking of a Saiga .308 mysel for less than $700 NIB. :D:D

Ughh
February 26, 2010, 11:56 PM
But seriously ammo is your main cost, the rifle is the cheap part these days.
How true.... :(:(

jlott00
February 27, 2010, 09:26 PM
ughh

mags are 40 something dollars a piece

d2wing
February 27, 2010, 10:26 PM
I'm getting the urge to buy a .308 as well. I like lightest and most accurate. Am I lookind at an AR-10? How do they cmpare for accuracy and weight? Are the Saigas as good as other imports? An M-14 clone or AR-10 would be top choices but if I can get some as good cheaper or some way better I'm open.

Ughh
February 27, 2010, 11:37 PM
ughh

mags are 40 something dollars a piece
dang! thats more than some of the most expensive mags for the Black rifle.

Ughh
February 27, 2010, 11:38 PM
I just did a check, saiga .308 for less than $450. Not bad

bullturkey
February 27, 2010, 11:40 PM
I bought a MAS49/56 that was rechambered for 308. Some of these conversions had issues some did not. Mine does not. I paid 300 for it. Bought extra mags at a gun show for 20 a piece (10 rounders) and removed the latch and had a friend wire weld them onto FAL mags. Paid 10 for the FAL mags. Laugh if you want but now I have a battle tested MBR with 6 20 rnd mags for 500 dollars. It is accurate and and gobbles up Wolf 308 without any problems. It works for me.

jlott00
February 28, 2010, 01:55 PM
no the saiga 308 is priced very nice, but you spend 400 bucks on 10 mags!
id rather dump more money into the rifle then mags if possible, but im not buying cheap mags either

Mags
February 28, 2010, 02:15 PM
There ain't nothing cheap or affordable about 308/7.62 rifles. The rifles aren't cheap, the mags aren't cheap (except for CETME) and the ammo isn't cheap.

RobMoore
February 28, 2010, 02:18 PM
Perhaps just get the best gun for the job (that you can afford) and hold off on buying the 10 mags. Get a couple, then build on the collection. Having to buy 10 at once may put you at a lower quality rifle than you want.

Storz
February 28, 2010, 02:22 PM
I just bought a CETME, right around 500 bucks

jlott00
February 28, 2010, 05:49 PM
i had/pending a sale a sar-8

just couldnt bond with it, and its not a big deal but im a lefty. no biggie to reach across for the charging handle but i didnt like to
plus its a a little harder to charge then other type rifles

Kwanger
March 1, 2010, 01:25 PM
I just bought a CETME too, $499. Only real problem is that rear sight is crooked - but I've cut that off and am putting a G3 sight on there instead. Otherwise shoots very well.

Actually, the CETME/PTR91/HK 91 family is not bad for lefties...some might say even better than for righties - the reason being is that the standard mag catch is on the right of the rifle. Sure, the cocking handle requires reaching over to get to, but its not too bad with a bit of practice.

Ughh
March 2, 2010, 10:07 PM
no the saiga 308 is priced very nice, but you spend 400 bucks on 10 mags!
id rather dump more money into the rifle then mags if possible, but im not buying cheap mags either
Hahahah... i see what you mean

Ughh
March 2, 2010, 10:10 PM
Hey hey! That CETME looks like fun to shoot. I'm interested all of the sudden :D.

Is CETME based on H&K G3??
Sure looks exactly the same

Still stuck btwn 308 and 30'06 tho....

THE MACHINIST
March 2, 2010, 11:07 PM
cetme .308-- its a hard hitting battle rifle, if you reload it puts logitudal gas lubrication lines on your brass but it works very well accurate as a bolt gun ..heres mine a century arms .308 sporter.....:cool:

MTMilitiaman
March 3, 2010, 12:05 AM
Is CETME based on H&K G3??
Sure looks exactly the same

Other way around.

After WWII, some Mauser engineers moved to Spain and designed a rifle for the Spanish military organization CETME (which is actually an acronym). They adopted the rifle, and long story short, Germany refined the design a little and adopted it as the G3 ("G" being the German word for "rifle.").

Kwanger
March 3, 2010, 12:58 PM
What MT said. And because its so close to the G3 you can put a lot of G3 accessories on with no to very minor fitting changes. There are some interchangability issues, but they are mainly to do with the working parts (which work exactly the same as G3/HK91, but have different micro measurements so not interchangeable).

The 500 dollar Cetme's you can buy are from Century Arms. While that company has a very dubious reputation, and it is highly likely you will have to do some minor fettling with such items as sights and sorting out your bolt gap, by and large nowadays you will be getting a functional rifle for your $500, which is 600 to 700 cheaper than the nearest competitor, the PTR-91.

I've put a couple of hundred rounds through mine now - functions great, shoots tight groups. However, the rear sight was canted, and there is very little adjustment on these rifles, so I cut it off and am going to install a G3 barrel rear sight and base. Apaart from that, and the fact the front handguard is a cheap piece of crap that overheats to the point of being untouchable after 50 rounds (I'm replacing with G3 wide guard with built in heatshield), very happy with the purchase.

jojo200517
March 3, 2010, 01:59 PM
If you guys feel that the .308's mentioned so far are to pricey you should try and find an IMI Galil in .308.

I see plenty of the .223 ones but the .308s are out of sight on price. They sure are purrdy tho. :)

jeepguy
March 3, 2010, 07:05 PM
last month i bought a m1a loaded ss/syn for 1250 perfect shape. i had also seen some chinese clones between 800 to 1000. you could also get an m1 grand and convert it to 308 if you dont want 30-06. my advice is to be patient and get what you want even if you have to wait a couple months.

fireside44
March 3, 2010, 07:16 PM
Assemble a Sarco FAL parts kit on a Coonan or Entreprise receiver.

Cheap(er) .308 MBR.

Ughh
March 3, 2010, 08:47 PM
If you guys feel that the .308's mentioned so far are to pricey you should try and find an IMI Galil in .308.

I see plenty of the .223 ones but the .308s are out of sight on price. They sure are purrdy tho. :)
Isn't the Galil also based on the AK?? So is Saiga right?

What's the diff? :confused:

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